MP 7,1 Mac Pro 7,1 Configuration Pricing and Accessories

[deconstruct60]

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Checks in at around $6300 via Apple Business.
Says delivery 12/19-12/27.
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At those arrival dates, it's not even worth jumping through hoops to rush and order for my scenario. ...

So far this doesn't look like the Mac Pro 2013 where the arrival dates started padding out relatively quickly. Almost 4 hours in and the only thing slowing down arrival time is the $400 wheels. ( didn't get a tariff waver for those, but I can see why Apple might largely grossly underestimate demand for those since pragmatically new to the wheel business. )

Panicked ordering because can't get it isn't a problem so far. Stratospheric pricing has that impact on demand sometimes.

 

[Macs4u]

These prices are absolutely insane. Apple is purposely charging a fortune for things here. £1000 for a monitor stand? £400 for wheels? Vega graphics over £2100?? Ssds with custom Apple daughter boards? Don’t know what they are smoking. How hard is it to just make a Mac Pro that will let people buy there own storage and ram if they choose and stop being so bloody arrogant.

 

[th0masp]

These prices are absolutely insane. Apple is purposely charging a fortune for things here. £1000 for a monitor stand? £400 for wheels? Vega graphics over £2100?? Ssds with custom Apple daughter boards? Don’t know what they are smoking. How hard is it to just make a Mac Pro that will let people buy there own storage and ram if they choose and stop being so bloody arrogant.

Well I have been laughing at that price list for a quite bit but in this case don't forget that the GPU comes with 32 GB of memory - if you look up Nvidia pricing for that type of config you end up in highend territory quickly.
Of course it all begs the question how many people in the PC world who are into video editing do really go out and buy a Titan or similar if all they want is to get Geforce levels of performance. Apple simply doesn't give you a choice so far.
Pretty damn sure that promised 16GB card will also be outrageously priced for what it is - the highend consumer level boards from Nvidia come with 'only' 11 GBs and are well over a grand.

We are still looking at this machine in line with what the previous MPs were like. They really went all in on this one, making sure their target audience is as small as can be.

 

[deconstruct60]

These prices are absolutely insane. Apple is purposely charging a fortune for things here. £1000 for a monitor stand? £400 for wheels? Vega graphics over £2100?? Ssds with custom Apple daughter boards? Don’t know what they are smoking. How hard is it to just make a Mac Pro that will let people buy there own storage and ram if they choose and stop being so bloody arrogant.

They already did. That is just the BTO options. That isn't what you can put into a Mac Pro 2019 model.

Several reasonably implemented RX 5700 probably work just fine in the new Mac Pro. ( the 5700 is already on the supported eGPU list ) .

Apple isn't going to put an HDD in there and ship it straight from their factory. However, There is a J2i bracket that is high priced but that is only because you get an "enterprise" 8TB HDD drive with it. At some point someone will be selling empty brackets. If want HDDs simply pay to stuff them in yourself. Apple hasn't blocked anyone ( long term).

Nobody "has to" buy that stand. Nobody "has to" buy the XDR monitor even.


what you can configure with the new Mac Pro and what ships from the factory preinstalled are two substantively different solution spaces.

 

[jaxhunter]

It seems like Macs have historically supported more memory than Apple specifies, so perhaps you could get the full 2 TB if you used some 256 GB DIMMs.
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Yes, we can expect more options especially as time goes by.

You need 16 slots to get 2TB - the 7,1 only has 12.
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Probably can accurately infer some though. Apple prices for the accessory kits will probably be consistent with the BTO differences.

The price for a single Vega II solo is different than buying two of them. Apple is giving a $400 'credit' for the swapped out 580X . So ( 2 * 2,400 -> 4,800 and 5,200 - 4,800 = 400 ). So about $2,600 is likely for the kit. Similar for the Duo ( which is also non linear over 2 * solo price). Probably in $5,600 range for the Duo Kit.

But yeah can't find the Vega II stuff in the accessories store. Probably too scarce to sell there at this point anyway.


P.S. AMD's list price fora W5700 was announced at $799

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15124/amd-announces-radeon-pro-w5700-navi-gets-drafted-to-the-pros

If Apple is selling that "off the shelf , slap in" then I suspect they aren't going to be able to move that much.

W5700X - no price listed yet.

 

[MisterAndrew]

It'll be interesting to see what products aftermarket companies come up with for the Mac Pro. It would be neat if someone comes up with passive MPX style coolers for popular PC graphics card so you wouldn't lose the benefit of silent operation when installing one.

 

[th0masp]

It'll be interesting to see what products aftermarket companies come up with for the Mac Pro. It would be neat if someone comes up with passive MPX style coolers for popular PC graphics card so you wouldn't lose the benefit of silent operation when installing one.

That sounds like a bit of an enthusiast item - I wouldn't bet on many products like that coming out - with their pricing they ensure that there will be no enthusiast market for these machines and surely corporate won't buy some off the shelf card and have IT swap the cooling system.

Sadly I think the only aftermarket products for these will be very specialized and targeted at particular corporate use cases.

 

[MisterAndrew]

It looks to me like the wheels can't be added later. They're part of the frame?

Edit: Okay, so it looks like they can be added later, but not by yourself.

"You can configure your Mac Pro with wheels to make it easier to transport. If you already have your Mac Pro and want to add wheels, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210556
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Also, the proprietary flash storage modules can be removed or replaced by Apple or an authorized service provider, but that may or may not include upgrades. Perhaps they can be upgraded.

"Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

 

[Macs4u]

It looks to me like the wheels can't be added later. They're part of the frame?

Edit: Okay, so it looks like they can be added later, but not by yourself.

"You can configure your Mac Pro with wheels to make it easier to transport. If you already have your Mac Pro and want to add wheels, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210556
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Also, the proprietary flash storage modules can be removed or replaced by Apple or an authorized service provider, but that may or may not include upgrades. Perhaps they can be upgraded.

"Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

So basically if you want to add anything then you need to contact Apple. How is that a “Pro” machine. Pros don’t want to take time away from their work to go and get Apple to add a stick of ram or an ssd. Apple have purposely made it proprietary to stop people having the choice.Apple want to charge 3x the amount for the same thing.
When the news of the new Mac Pro came out I was hopeful that Apple were changing their greedy ways but they just aren’t. No way will i spend £5200 for an 8 core cpu, 256gb ssd and £150 worth of graphics card.
Excuse the cliche but a PC for half that cost will give me far more cores on the cpu, far more storage and far more graphical power. Yes macOS is better than windows but for pros who don’t use it for “pleasure” it’s irrelevant. Pros just use it as a tool. A 2.5k tool that does as good a job as a £5.2k tool will win. Apple are stupid.

 

[MisterAndrew]

Well most the components are user-serviceable/upgradeable. There are just a few that aren't, but it looks like Apple or an authorized service provider can do it for you. Those are things that typically won't need servicing, such as the wheels which are a one-time deal, unless of course they wear out, but that's probably unlikely to happen over the service life of the machine.

 

[deconstruct60]

It'll be interesting to see what products aftermarket companies come up with for the Mac Pro. It would be neat if someone comes up with passive MPX style coolers for popular PC graphics card so you wouldn't lose the benefit of silent operation when installing one.

Two potential problems. First, cards typically have a local "autonomic" cooling system. If sense the card is hot then tell the fans to spin faster. If take the fan load/circuit away what happens. Does the card think the fans are broke and go to a safer mode. Or just run until have to cut the clock?
[ MPX modules have some feed back mechanism too. If it just sensors off the module then would work with other cards. if coupled through the connector also have a disconnect there too. ]

Second the larger MPX coolers don't really match up well with using the aux power sockets in the MPX bays. Full MPX modules don't need those connectors (as get power through the MPX connector). So how do you wrap the cables back around to the top of the card when the big 4-wide heat sink is in the way soaking up the whole MPX bay? MPX full sized but not MPX powered is a substantive mismatch mechanically.

 

[deconstruct60]

Says delivery 12/19-12/27.

So far this doesn't look like the Mac Pro 2013 where the arrival dates started padding out relatively quickly. Almost 4 hours in and the only thing slowing down arrival time is the $400 wheels. ....

Panicked ordering because can't get it isn't a problem so far. Stratospheric pricing has that impact on demand sometimes.

About a 3/4 of a day in and dates slid out to Dec 30 - Jan 7 . Wheels still the only big delay ( think there are some kind of space frame swap out. )

10 day slide in holiday season isn't that bad. It will get a bit worse before it gets better. However, "Nobody is going o buy because too high" has major problems as a premise with evidence.

 

[bsbeamer]

For anyone that really cares, it looks like every config of MP7,1 being sold at B&H is available with and without wheels at the same exact price. Every model and config from the entry through the $52K.

 

[bsbeamer]

OWC just emailed their MP7,1 memory pricing upgrade costs. For 32GB modules, they're about $30/module markup over MSRP (none sale/discount price) for similar spec'd modules from Crucial.

 

[natxo_hd]

Has anyone been able to test the Radeon VII in the new MP7,1?
This configuration would be great till I can afford a newer card.

 

[shuto]

Has anyone been able to test the Radeon VII in the new MP7,1?
This configuration would be great till I can afford a newer card.

Yeah this is what I'd love to know.

Apple says the cards on its eGPU page are supported by Mac Pro
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208544

but this doesn't include Radeon VII. sad.


But bearefeats has tested Radeon VII so I think its fine...
https://barefeats.com/macs-and-radeon-vii.html

 

[MisterAndrew]

You can totally install a Radeon VII in the new Mac Pro. Apple sells power cables from Belkin to accomplish this.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUJ2ZM/A/belkin-aux-power-cable-kit-for-mac-pro?fnode=85
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About a 3/4 of a day in and dates slid out to Dec 30 - Jan 7 . Wheels still the only big delay ( think there are some kind of space frame swap out. )

10 day slide in holiday season isn't that bad. It will get a bit worse before it gets better. However, "Nobody is going o buy because too high" has major problems as a premise with evidence.

Yeah, it appears to be selling very well. They sold out of the first batch.
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Has anyone been able to locate the model part numbers?

Not yet found on the 'Identify your Mac Pro model' page. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202888

 

[natxo_hd]

You can totally install a Radeon VII in the new Mac Pro. Apple sells power cables from Belkin to accomplish this.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUJ2ZM/A/belkin-aux-power-cable-kit-for-mac-pro?fnode=85
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Yeah, it appears to be selling very well. They sold out of the first batch.
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Has anyone been able to locate the model part numbers?

Not yet found on the 'Identify your Mac Pro model' page. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202888

How are you so sure about that? I can't find any info about it.
May I put out the 580x and put the Radeon VII in, and boot without issues?
Sorry to insist, but it's a reason to buy or not the MacPro7, 1. Thanks.

 

[MisterAndrew]

How are you so sure about that? I can't find any info about it.
May I put out the 580x and put the Radeon VII in, and boot without issues?
Sorry to insist, but it's a reason to buy or not the MacPro7, 1. Thanks.

Yes, you can. You may also leave the 580X in there and add the Radeon VII along with it. If you look at that product page for the power cables Apple shows a Radeon RX 5700 XT installed above a Vega II. Also, this support page says you can install a 3rd party graphics card.

"You can use Radeon MPX Modules along with other third-party PCIe graphics cards."

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210408

 

[M3Jedi77]

Also, the proprietary flash storage modules can be removed or replaced by Apple or an authorized service provider, but that may or may not include upgrades. Perhaps they can be upgraded.

"Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

I'm most interested in upgrading the SSD right away. I seem to be the only one who ordered 256gb, and need to determine whether or not I just grab a PCIe NVME card (leaving the system files on the 256) or wait for people to find a way to upgrade the 256 without Apple.

Can I assume an NVME PCIe setup would be even faster than Apples stock SSD?

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Can I assume an NVME PCIe setup would be even faster than Apples stock SSD?

No, many are slower, some are faster, some combinations of multiple drives would be slower individually but faster as an array (depending on what RAID level etc...).

Or you could go with fast networked storage that isn't tied to that specific device anymore and just use the small internal you have for OS and apps.

 

[ekwipt]

I'm most interested in upgrading the SSD right away. I seem to be the only one who ordered 256gb, and need to determine whether or not I just grab a PCIe NVME card (leaving the system files on the 256) or wait for people to find a way to upgrade the 256 without Apple.

Can I assume an NVME PCIe setup would be even faster than Apples stock SSD?

It's proprietary connection, I don't think you can update them at this time, you could get a 256Gb and then buy a PCIe NVME to use as storage though

 

[blackhand1001]

The pricing on these is highway robbery. The base model should start at like 2500 not 6000 for what it comes with. Its using outdated gpus and an 8 core with a modest clock speed. Even more ridiculous is the 256gb base storage on a 6000 dollar machine. And the ridiculous prices they are charging to upgrade them.

 

[vinegarshots]

This is going to be the most popular model for initial purchases:

3.5GHz 8‑core Intel Xeon W processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
48GB (6x8GB) of DDR4 ECC memory
Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory
1TB SSD storage

Checks in at around $6300 via Apple Business.
Says delivery 12/19-12/27.

Would be really interested to see benchmark scores for that exact configuration.

At those arrival dates, it's not even worth jumping through hoops to rush and order for my scenario. Good luck to those who do purchase. I'll wait for additional GPU pricing and possible sale or discount. Probably reevaluate in January 2020.

Thats basically the base model iMac Pro...except with a little more ram, and a worse GPU. So Id guess the benchmarks are similar.

 

[goMac]

The pricing on these is highway robbery. The base model should start at like 2500 not 6000 for what it comes with. Its using outdated gpus and an 8 core with a modest clock speed. Even more ridiculous is the 256gb base storage on a 6000 dollar machine. And the ridiculous prices they are charging to upgrade them.

You could barely custom build one with the same parts for $2500.