Exactly...Burn my house to the ground...just give me real time rendering and lightning fast exports LOL. Seriously...it gets cold in the winter even here in LA, I'm more than happy to turn off the fireplace and turn on the Mac Pro 8.1. Light it up!
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MP 7,1 Mac Pro 8.1 - WHAT IF...
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Agree 100% - the lack of multi-GPU aware apps is disappointing. Only thing I run is hashcat.
I am too entrenched into the Adobe eco system. But if they really start getting "really, really" bad then that is the option to go with. iMovie Pro *cough* I mean Final Cut will never get my support.
If companies had started leveraging multiple GPUs in a big way, Apple wouldn't have been in the situation they are and could have iterated on the dual-GPU cylinder model 
Software only started using multiple CPUs and CPU cores when it became the only real way to get a ton of performance improvements. If we run into the same issue with GPUs that's when you'll see more effort put into it.
Software only started using multiple CPUs and CPU cores when it became the only real way to get a ton of performance improvements. If we run into the same issue with GPUs that's when you'll see more effort put into it.
Adobe seems content to go with the same level of suck. It's really a matter of whether you need it for working with others, or you want to avoid the subscription charges. Final Cut X would have saved you a pretty penny over the last decade.
If companies had started leveraging multiple GPUs in a big way, Apple wouldn't have been in the situation they are and could have iterated on the dual-GPU cylinder model
I forget... was the direct link between the GPUs ever active in macOS? Or Windows? I thought there was a hardware Crossfire sort of linkage, but I don't know if it ever worked.
GPU to GPU communication has been the big problem in macOS. Directly transferring information can be slow. Apple's tried to do a lot of work on it, and there's been a lot of developer sessions on it. The recent Infinity Bridge stuff is a step in the right direction. But I don't remember the GPU to GPU bridge ever working in macOS on the 2013 Mac Pro.
CrossFire worked under Windows, but Apple never brought it to MacOS AFAIK (it certainly wasn't there when the 6,1 shipped and they did testing). I dunno how the stuff like the Duo actually work in the 7,1's though.
Even some games aren't using Crossfire anymore in Windows - MS Flight Sim 2020 isn't. So even using eGPU has no benefit. Shame because people are running VR headsets in high resolution with high detail and it helps to be able to keep very high frame rates, also some of the addon planes take serious resources with their detailed system simulations.
It would be nice to be able to just throw extra GPUs at any problem.
Why? Everyone I know who’s tried it for actual commercial work says it’s amazing and extremely fast. Full disclosure: I use Resolve and haven’t tried Final Cut Pro X.
The rollout of FCPX was abysmal to say the least, but with continued support and updates it’s become a competent tool. It won’t be right for every workflow, but it can be useful for projects with quick turnaround times. Some editors use it for cutting then switch to Resolve for color correction.
I think if Apple had released it as a beta while still selling FCP7 and gathered feedback, they would have kept their position in the NLE market.
So was i until I got the Mac Pro in 2020… best decision I ever made to leave Premiere! I’m still often using after effects in conjunction with resolve, and also all the other adobe apps but I find Premiere is the worst culprit and deserves to be banished from all productions!
They lost me when they when to a trackless model. I was using Final Cut 7 and then X came out; old projects not being able to be used, etc etc. Apple just left a very sour resentment over the release of FCP X.
I should try resolve since it would utilize my GPUs better; but I am holding over hope for Premier. When Adobe doesn't break the integration between AfterEffects and Premiere, it is pretty slick. Unfortunately they almost always break it whenever there is a major update.
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Maybe not know, but the Mac Pro 7,1 with 2 W6800x Duos held the Octane rendering crown for a while. So if the software is optimized for multiple GPUs, it can be very fast. I don't think Resolve was as good, where a single W6900X was better overall.
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Always suspected Gurman's previous mention of "graphics" being among the things that were supposedly being expandable was just him not really thinking of what that really meant. He heard it was going to have PCIe slots and just assumed it would accept anything. A bit of a shame because he got everybody's hopes up there for a while.
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*chucks monitor out the window, dusts off hands *
So, about the upcoming Mac Pro…
A 76 core GPU, when those cores are Apple Silicon cores, is like being stampeded by 76 ducklings. The number of them is not the point.
If true, this is will be pathetic and a downgrade in gpu compered to the mp2019. Only reason to get this over a m2ultra studio would be if they never upgrade the studio . Which would be an a**hole move of course and sadly what might be expected from cooks apple.
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Apple Silicon is turning into the computer equivalent of a bodybuilder who always skips leg day and has this massive monster torso (CPU) on top of tiny chicken legs (GPU).
A 72 core M2 GPU is going to be probably on par with a single vanilla 6800 (but without hardware RT). That's not good.
A 72 core M2 GPU is going to be probably on par with a single vanilla 6800 (but without hardware RT). That's not good.
Gurman once again proving he knows absolutely nothing about the MP plans.
Honestly I really wish they’d scrap this limp gimp pile of crap iteration of the pro, which is too close to a trashcan than the 7,1, and wait for the M3 to do it right, with an extreme and with 3rd party gpu support.
If this is correct, and we have pci with no gpu upgrade ability (and the lame no-better-than-studio ultra processor), I’m not getting this machine and clutching to my 7,1 for dear life and probably looking to exit apple permanently.
Loser machine.
If this is correct, and we have pci with no gpu upgrade ability (and the lame no-better-than-studio ultra processor), I’m not getting this machine and clutching to my 7,1 for dear life and probably looking to exit apple permanently.
Loser machine.
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I think you are a bit too pessimistic about the new Mac Pro.
Or, at least, you seem to judge the Mac Pro after your own needs and wishes. On some level, that is what we all have to do when it comes to buying it or not, but I don't think it's a fair benchmark on how to judge Apple's efforts 'in context'.
I also think that waiting for M3 does little to solve your problems. It will only keep iterating on what the M2 is. I wouldn't expect major architectural changes like: the M2 doesn't support GPUs, but the M3 does.
I can't say that I have dug deep into the M2 benchmarks, but my impression was that the speed bump was quite OK compared to M1?
But it seems likely that there will be a shift within the user group. Apple will lose some customers and gain new ones. The ones who end up buying the Mac Pro will be very happy with it.
I will be buying it if 128GB Ram and 4TB SSD configuration won’t exceed £8000. Disclaimer: for my music studio, so GPU power is mostly irrelevant.