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I just built a 12 core 2009 cMP. It’s plenty fast, and really fairly trouble free.

I delidded the cpus myself. Put a usb 3.1 card in it, as well as a RX580.

I built it to supplement a 2014 4ghz iMac for Lightroom and FCPX work. I could definitely use it as a daily driver if it supported HEVC decode, but so far it doesn’t. I’m on the latest Mojave beta.

If you like to tinker, I think you’ll love a cMP.

I considered a nMP, but the cost would be double what I paid for the classic.

I don’t buy into the rats nest argument. The cMP is a pretty messy cable situation too, and most external raid/ gpu boxes are attractive to me.

I bet either machine will be capable enough for you IMO.

HEVC hardware decode is definitely working in 10.14 beta with RX580.

It worked some time ago, and still working in the latest PB5. All you need is just QuickTime Player.

I just created a post about that. The sample file is a HEVC 10bit HDR BT.2020 video.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/hdr-4k-video-support-macos-vs-windows.2130924/#post-26328150

But if you want that in FCPX, then you have to wait, not just hardware decode, but the whole FCPX in not stable enough in 10.14 yet. IMO, definitely not good enough for daily use.
 
Owyeah with the nMP, TB2 PCIe enclosures for an SSD blade : crazy speed, trim support, mine boots from NVME.
For spinners I don't really see the point paying crazy TB prices.

You will need a bunch of those to get something of the comfort back regarding safety and multiple boot disk's,
OSes that the cMP has.

If there comes a TB3 Mac Mini one day, It might be the better option ...
 
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Owyeah with the nMP, TB2 PCIe enclosures for an SSD blade : crazy speed, trim support, mine boots from NVME.
For spinners I don't really see the point paying crazy TB prices.

You will need a bunch of those to get something of the comfort back regarding safety and multiple boot disk's,
OSes that the cMP has.

If there comes a TB3 Mac Mini one day, It might be the better option ...

I like using the Akitio QuadX with TB2 to TB3 adapter. It has 4 SATA controllers and depending on need can get up to 800 MB/s with 4 good spinners in RAID 0. I run mine as 4 independent disks, but get a solid 200 MB/s on each drive simultaneously.

Biggest benefit is getting SMART data from each drive, as I am a big proponent of using DriveDx with spinners for early failure detection.
 
yes i gess i did say a bit much but for Crysis 1, Doom 3, Half Life 2, Metro 2033, Starcraft 2 plus it's add ons, Diablo 3
a dual cpu is a bit much

this is just a nice form factor wanted that can do emails, daily tasks in osx and at night play a few classic games that mostly wont scale past 4c, so i do relay think a dual cpu cmp is a tad over kill for what the OP will gain from it.

the nmp looks cool and fits on a desk with the option of egpu if needed, im not clear on what they cost now so not shore about price to performance but it will look better and take less room than a cmp.

i still think a macmini is a relay nice option but only if it's cheaper than a nmp

ps "Wrong. Dual x5670s, x5680s, x5690s are like running two i7-2600K" i still think two 2600K are tad over kill for Crysis 1 or Metro and relay ECC ram is not needed for most people + Stability tends to be more from OS/cooling(or lack of it)/overclocked parts unless your talking server tasks
 
I understand your points, it is that value for money thing, the nMP is costly even second hand, but is such a cool design. the cMP is great value, but a beast.

I have a question, if you had a 8 or 2 core cMP, 32GB RAM, SSD etc. And I put a Nvidia 1070GTX in it, would it play games at 1440P as well as this video of the iMac Pro, and if not would they hit 60FPS, it would be interesting to have Crysis one with all those mods you can get that boost the graphics to insanely high levels:


Late join the discussion.

For gaming, forget about the nMP. Dual GPU is COMPLETELY useless in macOS gaming.

For Windows gaming, you have to do some hack to allow to use the gaming driver and Crossfire. But then, I can tell you that Crossfire itself still very broken.

eGPU for gaming, expensive, relative low performance, easier to have issues.

Anyway, you don't need to flash any GPU for that. I ran an un-flash 1080Ti on my cMP, no problem at all.

30-60 FPS gaming is very very easy on the cMP. Even the most demanding game in macOS is not a problem at all.

These are some gaming screen capture from my cMP (W3690, 1080Ti, CHG90)
RoTR3.jpg
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These are the screen captures in macOS gaming. Windows gaming will be even better because DirectX can do much better graphics. (But I don't know how to make good quality full screen capture in Windows)

And if you play gaming in Windows, then we can easily have better gaming performance then the iMac Pro.

e.g. RoTR, 1080P. What we focus on is how much FPS the CPU can deliver, not the GPU. Because the CPU is the more limiting factor here. And with a good gaming GPU, we can have more than 100 FPS, easily. So, nothing to worry about.
RoTR DX11.JPG


Same situation on FF XV
FF XV 1080P Standard.JPG


Since you said you won't play new games. So, I post the 2013 TR for your reference as well. A cMP (with gaming orientated upgrades) is completely overkill. This is 1080P Ultimate setting, even in windows mode (usually fullscreen mode can do better, but window mode make me easier to make screen capture in Windows), min FPS is 130, average 171.
TR 1080P ultimate.JPG


Purely for your reference, this is what a cMP can do in VR gaming. TBH, there is no need to worry about for normal gaming (especially old games).
VR details.JPG


Anyway, for your usage, do NOT go for the dual processor setup. It won't help anything (unless you really plane to do a lot of VM on this Mac). I don't know any games that can utilise more than a single 6C12T CPU anyway.

cMP is a nice machine for some simple daily use, and play old games. But only true if you can get a good condition cheap 4,1 / 5,1. IMO, anymore more than $400 I won't consider. If I have time, I will only look for $250 or below single processor 4,1. Then upgrade it accordingly.

CPU, single W3680, W3690, X5680, X5690. Just get the cheapest one. If you want to further lower the cost, go for X5677. That's a 4C 8T CPU, but enough for gaming, and normal stuff already.

For your usage, 3x8GB 1333MHz ECC RAM cost another ~$50

GPU, up to you, but GTX 1070 is definitely good enough (in fact, way overkill) for old gaming. TBH, for cMP, and old gaming. A GTX 680 4GB usually more than enough. If you run High Sierra, then a RX580 will be even better. Easier to maintain the Maxwell / Pascal GPU due to have Apple native driver support. If don't need those GPU power, why go for the trouble? In fact, for most old games, a $100 used HD7950 / 7970 can do 30-60FPS with reasonable graphics already. And this GPU has extremely good support in macOS.

A single Micron 1100 2TB SSD only cost $300. Large enough for you to throw all games in, and store all your 3D stuff, VM, etc. If you don't need this amount of capacity, but want to lower the cost as much as possible. Then there are plenty of $100 SSD options out there.

So, for a "high end" setup, it may cost you a bit more than $1000 (mainly depends on GPU and how "expansive" the cMP itself).

For "low end" setup, $500 can get your a Mac that can do reasonable gaming.

It is a bit late to job the cMP party. For cMP owner, upgrade the cMP make sense. But for new joiner, buying a cMP then upgrade it now usually not a good option due to limited CPU single thread performance. But for your own case, this doesn't really matter. The biggest concern is, are you willing to buy this 9 years old machine which has no warranty. It can fail at anytime, who knows?
 
Well well well... what a surprise he?

It seems my thread was a bit pointless, I haven’t bought a new Mac yet but.....

It seems the new Mac Mini, which I was NOT expecting, will be a faarrrr better buy right?

So as you guys are experts and offered some great advice to me, in regards to connecting an EGPU to its thunderbolt 3 ports, will this solve all the issues you get with Windows 10 and OSX and egpu’s? It will be a lot less painful to setup?

It seems with the new Mini you can access the fan to service it and apparently the RAM, need to wait and see on that though, for me that’s all I’ll need. It makes for a potential more powerful option over the old Mac Pro.
 
Well well well... what a surprise he?

It seems my thread was a bit pointless, I haven’t bought a new Mac yet but.....

It seems the new Mac Mini, which I was NOT expecting, will be a faarrrr better buy right?

So as you guys are experts and offered some great advice to me, in regards to connecting an EGPU to its thunderbolt 3 ports, will this solve all the issues you get with Windows 10 and OSX and egpu’s? It will be a lot less painful to setup?

It seems with the new Mini you can access the fan to service it and apparently the RAM, need to wait and see on that though, for me that’s all I’ll need. It makes for a potential more powerful option over the old Mac Pro.

I never try, but the new mini + eGPU looks like a reasonable "package" to me.

Good CPU + GPU + SSD + RAM...

The biggest concern is just the cooling. But from this video, it seems the fan doesn't need to spin up at all. So, there should be still has lots of room for the users to spin up the fan if cooling is concern.

 
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50w :eek: at max use, relay want to see more reviews but wow

luxmark cpu stress test on my 5.1 pulls about 200-210w with 36w being pulled by my gpu (so about 170w system pull without a gpu)
so about 1/3 or less power use lol and what close to 2x the CPU power (even if it is thermal/power limited)

with an eGPU (even if there's a 10-20% overhead, but with the stronger cpu the cpu bottlenecks will be gone) that will be a winner

just still wish the 6c & 6c/12t options where 10-20% cheaper, but that's just me being tight
 
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Hi. I have the nMp 6 core with d500s and 32gb ram. In windows 10 with bootcamp I play GTA5 and PUBG. I use the stock apple/amd gpu drivers and overclock with MSI Afterburner. Works great! You don't need to "hack" anything to get crossfire to run. Just turn it on one if its many modes in Crimson Settings.

I get like 75 average fps with PUBG at 2560 x 1440. If I was using a 1080 monitor FPS would be well over 100.
Pubg doesn't even officially support crossfire but I set it to Optimize 1x1 in the crimson settings and it works great.

It crushes GTA with most everything maxed out.

Turn your fans to max when you game. Macs Fan Control app. Never have any thermal problems. Temps in the 70s.
 
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