The 7800GT driver is for PPC though, and I'm sure Apple didn't go out of their way to make it work on Intel seeing as they have no Intel Macs officially shipping with that card.timb said:
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Mac Pro - GeForce 7900GTX works in Boot Camp
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timb said:Yea, time will tell.
Incidentally, who had that link to the video card flashing community forums? I can't seem to find the thread it was in. I remember it had the word "dog" in it.
http://www.strangedogs.com
Does anybody know whether PC 7300GTs work in the Mac Pro with drivers thus paving the way for X1900 XTs?
Just wondering whether I should cancel my order and go on over to Newegg.
Also, are the XTX cards the same as the XT but overclocked, so they have the same drivers? Just wanna know if I can use Sapphire's X1900XTX Venom card that beats the 7950GX2 and uses liquid cooling.
Also, are the XTX cards the same as the XT but overclocked, so they have the same drivers? Just wanna know if I can use Sapphire's X1900XTX Venom card that beats the 7950GX2 and uses liquid cooling.
Mr. Mister said:Just wondering whether I should cancel my order and go on over to Newegg.
Also, are the XTX cards the same as the XT but overclocked, so they have the same drivers? Just wanna know if I can use Sapphire's X1900XTX Venom card that beats the 7950GX2 and uses liquid cooling.
So far it seems like you could use any card you want, in Windows. But it's not as simple as that either, because if you want to see the boot process you need to have your monitor hooked up to the stock Apple card. Then, you can switch to the other video card. Again, that's not entirely simple either because in my experience if you don't have the video cable hooked up prior to windows starting, you won't get a display.
I have my 7300GT hooked up to my Dell 24" on the DVI input. I have my 7800 GTX hooked up to my Dell 24" on the DB15/VGA input. I start my mac with my Dell 24" input set to DVI, I hold down option, I select Windows. After Windows starts booting, I can then switch the input signal on my monitor to the DB15/VGA input.
That's how mine is currently working. And it works well, for me.
Good luck.
tobyg said:
This is exactly how i'm going to switch back and forth with my Mac Pro. I'm glad it's working for you. I get my pro in a few days.
Deerhunter04 said:This is exactly how i'm going to switch back and forth with my Mac Pro. I'm glad it's working for you. I get my pro in a few days.
It works well enough. I played some flatout 2 last night (not terribly graphic intensive, but it was the one game I wanted to play) just fine on my 7800 GTX. All of the benchmarks I have done put my Mac Pro with 7800 GTX well ahead of my previous gaming rig, an Athlon 64 3400+ (with the same card). The Athlon 64 3400+ is actually better at most games even compared to an Intel Pentium D 950 cpu running at 3.4ghz, and the fact that the Mac Pro beats that is all I was hoping for. Conroe would be faster, but there are no Conroe macs (yet).
BTW, I put my 7800 GTX in slot 1 (16x slot) and the 7300GT in slot 2 (set at 8x).
Mr. Mister said:
I'm not going to liter this thread with a debate if Conroe vs Woodcrest would be faster, but in the context of gaming, a Conroe box would probably be faster. There are other threads we could hop into to debate the speed of Conroe vs. Woodcrest.
tobyg said:
I did some quick research, looks like we need to replace the SOIC chip PM25LV512-25SCE? with PM25LV010-25SCE chip which is pin compatible and a 1MBit device. See this
http://www.pmcflash.com/resource_center/docs/Pm25LV512-010 V1.4.pdf
additionally the Atmel AT25F1024A chip datasheet shows that it is is pin compatible with PM25LV010-25SCE. depends on price/availability of those 8pin SOIC chips, they are interchangable.
back of the card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowI...6MB+GDDR2+PCI+Express+x16+Video+Card+-+Retail
and on the backside, right next to the GPU area you see a 8pin SOIC chip, which I assume to be the PM25LV512. It might be hard to hand solder a newer chip preflashed, but it might be doable with steady hands.
I am ordering a XFX 7300GT soon so i can mess with it.
Well fudge I just bit the bullet and hit the apple store and ordered the x1900.... **EDIT** 5 weeks ship time I think they need to fill the orders for Mac Pro's that need it before they send the accessory upgrade kits**
the Mac Pro does NOT come with a GPU power cable. There are, however, TWO plugs on the mainboard that are there for the express reason of powering the GPU's. They are 2x3 design, and Apple sends the power cable that plugs in there with the video card. I pestered both Apple customer support and apple tech support, but both are saying the power cable is not available for sale seperate.
Although, if you have 1 superdrive, you COULD run the 2nd superdrive power plug down into the case for a GPU....
I just bit the bullet and hit the apple store and ordered the x1900.... **EDIT** 5 weeks ship time I think they need to fill the orders for Mac Pro's that need it before they send the accessory upgrade kits**the Mac Pro does NOT come with a GPU power cable. There are, however, TWO plugs on the mainboard that are there for the express reason of powering the GPU's. They are 2x3 design, and Apple sends the power cable that plugs in there with the video card. I pestered both Apple customer support and apple tech support, but both are saying the power cable is not available for sale seperate.
Although, if you have 1 superdrive, you COULD run the 2nd superdrive power plug down into the case for a GPU....
Wow, lots of good detective work here!
After reading the posts by tobyg and JNaut, my opinion is that the PC cards are totally hardware compatible with the Mac - the differences are still all in firmware.
I still think that a 64k-->128k ROM chip swap on a PC card (from a card class that is already available on the Mac, i.e. 7300 or X1900) and a flash with a Mac ROM will produce a working, dual platform card. It may require minor tweaks like a device ID change, but that's just a little fiddling with a hex editor. The ROM chips are little surface mount things, so there is some skill involved, but it's a small price to pay.
tobg, I think you may get working SLI in Windows if you flash your PC 7300 card (after doing the ROM swap) to the Mac ROM and use those hacked drivers...anyway this looks good from the standpoint that flashing dual-platform cards and SLI look to be possible.
After reading the posts by tobyg and JNaut, my opinion is that the PC cards are totally hardware compatible with the Mac - the differences are still all in firmware.
I still think that a 64k-->128k ROM chip swap on a PC card (from a card class that is already available on the Mac, i.e. 7300 or X1900) and a flash with a Mac ROM will produce a working, dual platform card. It may require minor tweaks like a device ID change, but that's just a little fiddling with a hex editor. The ROM chips are little surface mount things, so there is some skill involved, but it's a small price to pay.
tobg, I think you may get working SLI in Windows if you flash your PC 7300 card (after doing the ROM swap) to the Mac ROM and use those hacked drivers...anyway this looks good from the standpoint that flashing dual-platform cards and SLI look to be possible.
I need another card (to run 3 monitors) for my Mac Pro ASAP, so I was considering of ordering another 7300 GT for the time being. I was also thinking of just biting the bullet and grabbing the ATI card, however I'm worried about it not working with the 7300. I did call Apple support, and the tech said he didn't know why both cards wouldn't work, but I've seen elsewhere that it won't.
Incidentally, my PC card was a 256 MB 7800 GTX. Tried it, didn't work. (Of course.)
Incidentally, my PC card was a 256 MB 7800 GTX. Tried it, didn't work. (Of course.)
Windows XP Problem
Hello All,
I hope this is the right forum to ask this question.
I have tried both Windows XP64 Pro, and Windows XP Pro and after installing all drivers I'm left with four drivers with an exclamation point under the System Devices:
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 3 -25E3
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 5 -25E5
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 6 -25E6
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 7 -25E7
I can't seem to get these to install under both XP64 Pro and Xp Pro.
If I install "PCI standard host CPU Bridge" for Port 6, it seems to work (but not for ports 3,5, and 7)
I hope that this MAC Pro is not defective. I don't really want to pack this up and returning it to Fry's.
Any help is appreciated.
Hello All,
I hope this is the right forum to ask this question.
I have tried both Windows XP64 Pro, and Windows XP Pro and after installing all drivers I'm left with four drivers with an exclamation point under the System Devices:
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 3 -25E3
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 5 -25E5
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 6 -25E6
(!) Intel(r) 5000 Series Chipset PCI x4 Port 7 -25E7
I can't seem to get these to install under both XP64 Pro and Xp Pro.
If I install "PCI standard host CPU Bridge" for Port 6, it seems to work (but not for ports 3,5, and 7)
I hope that this MAC Pro is not defective. I don't really want to pack this up and returning it to Fry's.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks! I wish I would have known that. I have been struggling for three days trying to figure it out. I'll start over and reinstall XP64 since I had that fully functional.
friendlydacat said:
Hi,i would like to ask if you got de problem of the hard disque's poor preformance in windows just like the others guys here?
thanks
7800gt
Ok, so I installed an eVGA 7800gt into the Intel MAC PRO and connected to the dvi input of Dell 20.1 inch monitor. I get the initial bootup screen (the white screen with apple logo). Then as the system loads, it blanks out, but the monitor still shows it's receiving a signal. I switch to the 7300gt (connected to the vga15) and also have a black screen, but monitor shows it's receiving a signal. I disconnect the 7800gt and reboot the system with the 7300gt and I boot to OSX with no problems (7300gt is connected to slot4).
I look in the hardware info "about this mac", and it shows that a "g70" card is in pci slot1, and the 7300gt is in slot 4. It also shows that the 7300gt is the main display, and connected to a Dell monitor, while the 7800gt is not connected to any main display. At this point I connect the DVI cable, and the 7800gt is working under OSX. I check, again, under Hardware->Graphics/Display, and it now shows the G70 board is connected to the Dell monitor and it's set as the main display.
The problem is if I reboot it doesn't work again. I have to go through the same process to get the 7800gt to work under osx.
This tells me that apple needs to make a driver for the 7800GT since it does display the initial boot up--the white screen with apple logo.
Ok, so I installed an eVGA 7800gt into the Intel MAC PRO and connected to the dvi input of Dell 20.1 inch monitor. I get the initial bootup screen (the white screen with apple logo). Then as the system loads, it blanks out, but the monitor still shows it's receiving a signal. I switch to the 7300gt (connected to the vga15) and also have a black screen, but monitor shows it's receiving a signal. I disconnect the 7800gt and reboot the system with the 7300gt and I boot to OSX with no problems (7300gt is connected to slot4).
I look in the hardware info "about this mac", and it shows that a "g70" card is in pci slot1, and the 7300gt is in slot 4. It also shows that the 7300gt is the main display, and connected to a Dell monitor, while the 7800gt is not connected to any main display. At this point I connect the DVI cable, and the 7800gt is working under OSX. I check, again, under Hardware->Graphics/Display, and it now shows the G70 board is connected to the Dell monitor and it's set as the main display.
The problem is if I reboot it doesn't work again. I have to go through the same process to get the 7800gt to work under osx.
This tells me that apple needs to make a driver for the 7800GT since it does display the initial boot up--the white screen with apple logo.
CyberPrey said:
CyberPrey,
I now have two PCI-e cards installed and the populated PCIe slots still shows an "!".