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What do you think is the source of the graphics issues on Mac Pro (Late 2013) ?

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chama98

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I have found that with el capitan. They had added extra bells and whistles and changed system protection, but I don't think they have really repaired the under lying issues with the OS.

Apple are so quick to push out software and then get the 'public' to test it. When Steve was alive, All their software was properly tested before release. Apple seriously needs to get a grip and not go back to how it was before steve took control back.
 

poematik13

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They are definitely more interested in piling on features year after year over actually refining the core OS. Oh well, hopefully they'll learn from their mistake. I'm still sticking with apple, windows is hobbyist gamer trash and none of my crucial apps work on linux.
 

nitrocan

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They are definitely more interested in piling on features year after year over actually refining the core OS. Oh well, hopefully they'll learn from their mistake. I'm still sticking with apple, windows is hobbyist gamer trash and none of my crucial apps work on linux.

If it wasn't for Logic Pro, I would have never even touched Mac OS X. Other than looking pretty, it doesn't have much of anything else going for it.
 

AidenShaw

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They are definitely more interested in piling on features year after year over actually refining the core OS. Oh well, hopefully they'll learn from their mistake. I'm still sticking with apple, windows is hobbyist gamer trash and none of my crucial apps work on linux.
Wow - some people still think like that? :confused:

The people running 36-core Windows workstations with 1 TiB of RAM don't agree, and the people running 72-core Windows Server with 6 TiB of RAM certainly disagree.

The specs of Apple systems certainly are "hobbyist" compared to off-the-shelf high end Windows (and Linux) systems. In the workstation space, Apple is firmly entrenched at the very low end of "entry-level" systems. Rebranding consumer 7xxx GPUs with up until now unknown "Firepro" model numbers (without ECC) simply cements that interpretation.

(And the MiniMac and Imac systems aren't even on the radar - I'm referring to the MP6,1 systems.)
 
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chama98

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Right an update to all those using el capitan.

I have installed the beta a couple of days ago. (10.11.2) and so far I have had no issues.

I have given my mac pro (late 2013) a good pasting and so far it has not brought anything down.

My hunch is that 10.11.2 beta fixes the graphic issues within the OS but I maybe wrong. in fact I would like to be proven wrong if that is the case.

I am about to install the latest beta and will report back with anything that happens.
 
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mauro16

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two days is still not much time.


An update on my tests. I installed windows 10, i then updated the graphic driver using

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download .

At the beginning i had problems (typically auto-reboots) as i reported in this thread

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7295348.

Then on october 30, evening, i made a reset SMC and reset PRAM and shut down the mac. I booted it on october 31 morning and it has worked until yesterday evening (12 days) without a single driver crash. Since often the problem appeared soon after the boot time, i shut down the system just two times in the period. I installed google chrome on november 8 and it didn't create problems. I then installed dropbox on november 10. I shut down the system on november 11, morning. I booted it november 11, evening and after 10 minutes i had a sequence of driver crashes. I decided to stop the dropbox synchronization and since then i had no problems.
 

mauro16

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Another problem is that the system is very slow when i wake it from sleep mode. It typically takes one minute or more, the mac seems to wake immediately but the monitor (a dell U2713HM) needs all this time to wake. I tried to solve this by working on the energy saving settings but could not make things better.
 

axantas

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Another problem is that the system is very slow when i wake it from sleep mode. It typically takes one minute or more, the mac seems to wake immediately but the monitor (a dell U2713HM) needs all this time to wake. I tried to solve this by working on the energy saving settings but could not make things better.
Interesting. I am running Windows 10 in an almost identical environnement, including a Dell P2415Q with no wakeup issues - it wakes immediately - be it at system startup or when both "fell asleep".
 

nitrocan

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Just wondering, why do you guys put your MPs to sleep? The idle power consumption isn't very much.
 

kfscoll

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My hunch is that 10.11.2 beta fixes the graphic issues within the OS but I maybe wrong. in fact I would like to be proven wrong if that is the case.
I never had any display-related issues previously with my MP (configuration in my sig) but now I'm having an intermittent issue to where my monitor won't wake up after the OS automatically turns it off (I don't ever put my MP to sleep, so this isn't sleep-related). Once my monitor decides not to light up, I have to restart the computer by logging in remotely to get my display back. I've never had this issue prior to this beta (15C40a).

One other nit -- almost every new beta messes with my wi-fi in some way. I was having great luck with the final release of 10.11.1 but all of the 10.11.2 betas have chopped my max wi-fi transfer rates in half.

Oh well; sorry for the off-topic rant. I really need to do a clean OS install because I'm caring around multiple issues (like having to "kill Finder" after every restart to get all my mounted network shares to appear on my desktop) from major OS release to major OS release.
 

chama98

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Just wondering, why do you guys put your MPs to sleep? The idle power consumption isn't very much.

It is on mine. 100Watts when idle. that is mac pro and thunderbolt display running only. Incidentally I will add that the mac pro is completely dust free in case somebody wants to hint in telling me to clean out vents etc! ;)
 

chama98

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Good news @chama98! Please also take a look into the logs to see if there are some GPU errors or something uncommon.

I had a look at the log and it is completely clear of any errors GPU related. just a couple of crashes but that is Adobe creative cloud process. It always happens so disabled the start up at log in option.

Just powerstat logs. (Whatever they are!)
 
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Riwam

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Wow - some people still think like that? :confused:

The people running 36-core Windows workstations with 1 TiB of RAM don't agree, and the people running 72-core Windows Server with 6 TiB of RAM certainly disagree.

The specs of Apple systems certainly are "hobbyist" compared to off-the-shelf high end Windows (and Linux) systems. In the workstation space, Apple is firmly entrenched at the very low end of "entry-level" systems. Rebranding consumer 7xxx GPUs with up until now unknown "Firepro" model numbers (without ECC) simply cements that interpretation.

(And the MiniMac and Imac systems aren't even on the radar - I'm referring to the MP6,1 systems.)
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Why somebody deeply despising and entirely disliking a certain line of products (and the manufacturer of those products as well!) posts continuously and for years in a forum and in threads about that same line of products he considers so terribly bad, is something that not even Sigmund Freud, (if he were still alive) would understand. :rolleyes:

The day that AidenShaw writes anything positive about MacPros, (supposing that might be possible), it will be a clear sign for all of us that the Messiah is coming to redeem humanity and the whole world will be a true paradise (even with Apple) :D
 

AidenShaw

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Why somebody deeply despising and entirely disliking a certain line of products (and the manufacturer of those products as well!) posts continuously and for years in a forum and in threads about that same line of products he considers so terribly bad, is something that not even Sigmund Freud, (if he were still alive) would understand. :rolleyes:

The day that AidenShaw writes anything positive about MacPros, (supposing that might be possible), it will be a clear sign for all of us that the Messiah is coming to redeem humanity and the whole world will be a true paradise (even with Apple) :D
The usual Judeo-Christian nonsense. ;) To be blindly allegiant to something while refusing to acknowledge its flaws is not something Freud would have endorsed. (Wouldn't Jews be waiting for the המשיח, while Christians will think that he's already come?)

And I've consistently praised the MP6,1 as a nice upgrade for the MiniMac.

Is my post not a calm and reasoned reply to a fanboi who dismissed Windows as "hobbyist gamer trash"? Whereas, you Sir, have given us a textbook example of an ad hominem attack.

I do like the Suisse, however - I lived there for many years.
 
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Riwam

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The usual Judeo-Christian nonsense. ;) To be blindly allegiant to something while refusing to acknowledge its flaws is not something Freud would have endorsed. (Wouldn't Jews be waiting for the המשיח, while Christians will think that he's already come?)

And I've consistently praised the MP6,1 as a nice upgrade for the MiniMac.

Is my post not a calm and reasoned reply to a fanboi who dismissed Windows as "hobbyist gamer trash"? Whereas, you Sir, have given us a textbook example of an ad hominem attack.

I do like the Suisse, however - I lived there for many y
The usual Judeo-Christian nonsense. ;) To be blindly allegiant to something while refusing to acknowledge its flaws is not something Freud would have endorsed. (Wouldn't Jews be waiting for the המשיח, while Christians will think that he's already come?)

And I've consistently praised the MP6,1 as a nice upgrade for the MiniMac.

Is my post not a calm and reasoned reply to a fanboi who dismissed Windows as "hobbyist gamer trash"? Whereas, you Sir, have given us a textbook example of an ad hominem attack.

I do like the Suisse, however - I lived there for many years.
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My critics of your post is not anything related to religion, neither to the traditional jewish belief in משיח nor to the christian faith in a return of Jesus, in both cases to redeem the world.
Nice that you can write even in hebrew but I never doubted your knowledge.
Liking Switzerland doesn't changes anything either, since the Macrumors forum in which you consistently show despise for the MacPro and for Apple is neither about religions nor about countries but about Macs and other Apple products.
In the past you already threatened me with "ad hominem" when something didn't fit you. It was the first time I learned that expression.
Not nothing new from you either.:rolleyes:

Even if someone behaves childish and makes fun of other OS like Windows and machines running Windows, you do the same calling the nMP end 2013 "a nice upgrade to the MiniMac" and you said that in the past as well!
Is that repeated mockery "a calm and reasoned" judgment? :confused:
Readers will hardly see it as such.
Why don't you say that the nMP is "a nice upgrade to the iPod or to the iPhone"?
It would not surprise me to read one day anything of the kind...and find out at the side "AidenShaw" as the author of that profound remark.

A truly wise and friendly user of this forum in a similar occasion told me:
"read the technical info in his posts, since he has a lot of knowledge in that field, and entirely disregard and ignore his biased view of Apple, the OSX and the nMP.
It's not worth to lose one's nerves for that".

After over a year I see that neither you and your judgments have changed nor the wisdom of the piece of advise I received in the past has lost its value.
I should had done exactly that... :oops:
My mistake.
 

jcarey79

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I am running el Capitan on a late 2013 13"map. I use an LG 34um95 connected via thunderbolt cable. I run Parallels ver 10 with a Windows 10 VM.

Since upgrading to el Capitan, I cannot get my Jabra speakerphone to work through the USB hub in the LG monitor in Windows. It did prior to upgrading the OS X. After calls with Parallels support and getting escalated to their Tier 2 technical support, this remains unresolved. Any thoughts?
 

AidenShaw

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I am running el Capitan on a late 2013 13"map. I use an LG 34um95 connected via thunderbolt cable. I run Parallels ver 10 with a Windows 10 VM.

Since upgrading to el Capitan, I cannot get my Jabra speakerphone to work through the USB hub in the LG monitor in Windows. It did prior to upgrading the OS X. After calls with Parallels support and getting escalated to their Tier 2 technical support, this remains unresolved. Any thoughts?
Perhaps the Apple laptops forums would be a better place to ask....
 

poematik13

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Wow - some people still think like that? :confused:

The people running 36-core Windows workstations with 1 TiB of RAM don't agree, and the people running 72-core Windows Server with 6 TiB of RAM certainly disagree.

What a stupid analogy. So the <100 places in the world that have that kind of hardware? How often do you have a project that needs that? Just rent that weird **** for special occasions and move on

you are certainly the creme de la creme of spec-whores. /r/pcmasterrace is great for you. Totally cut off with the rest of the real world's computing needs
 
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El_Kritiko

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A friend of me has bought a few days ago the MP2013 with 12 GB RAM, Quad Core CPU, D700 graphics and 512 GB SSD. His monitor is connected via HDMI and he is heavily using Adobe Premiere CC with the current El Capitan. He has no errors, no freezes, nothing else. Just happy.

This is very strange, I think it could be the Thunderbolt -monitor connection which causes so much trouble?
 

mauro16

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A friend of me has bought a few days ago the MP2013 with 12 GB RAM, Quad Core CPU, D700 graphics and 512 GB SSD. His monitor is connected via HDMI and he is heavily using Adobe Premiere CC with the current El Capitan. He has no errors, no freezes, nothing else. Just happy.

This is very strange, I think it could be the Thunderbolt -monitor connection which causes so much trouble?

I have monitors like dell U2713HM (27 inches, 2560x1440) and LG 34UC87 (34 inches, 3440x1440) that cannot work at their maximum resolution with HDMI. Anyway i rememeber i have had freezings with a normal full hd 22 inches monitor connected via HDMI.
 
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chama98

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A friend of me has bought a few days ago the MP2013 with 12 GB RAM, Quad Core CPU, D700 graphics and 512 GB SSD. His monitor is connected via HDMI and he is heavily using Adobe Premiere CC with the current El Capitan. He has no errors, no freezes, nothing else. Just happy.

This is very strange, I think it could be the Thunderbolt -monitor connection which causes so much trouble?
Which I think has Now been addressed with the latest beta software.

Looking in the logs today I have had NO crashes or GPU errors to date. ( day 5) I am still testing.
 

chama98

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well tonight it crashed! installed the latest beta and got this error messages.

It froze while on the screen saver.

the error message is this if anyone disinterested.

17/11/2015 21:46:51.288 watchdogd[337]: [watchdog_daemon] @(_wd_daemon_service_thread) - service (com.apple.WindowServer) reported as unresponsive
 

nitrocan

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well tonight it crashed! installed the latest beta and got this error messages.

It froze while on the screen saver.

the error message is this if anyone disinterested.

17/11/2015 21:46:51.288 watchdogd[337]: [watchdog_daemon] @(_wd_daemon_service_thread) - service (com.apple.WindowServer) reported as unresponsive

Haha never activate the screen server. Just shut off your monitor and never let that thing sleep.
 

chama98

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Haha never activate the screen server. Just shut off your monitor and never let that thing sleep.


Lovely helpful comment! It would probably happen even if the computer had the screen turned off! So really your comment is not very helpful!
 
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