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It's also worth noting the obvious that Thunderbolt is really less relevant to us Mac Pro owners as we've long had alternative expansion and interconnect choices (internal SATA, eSata or USB 3) that laptop users simply don't have. So while we have a bit more cable clutter to deal with, there's nothing that's being proposed for Thunderbolt that we can't do already with our Mac Pros.
There is a lot of truth in this.
The t-bolt revolution is not that important for a mac pro user. It is more like don't look back or you will see them gaining.
A macbook pro with a max of 8gb ram is not a big threat to the mac pro even with a superfast raid0 t-bolt osx drive from lacie. The imac is another pair of sleeves . apple has always liked to push its imac. there is a link for the promise raid unit i will look for it. phil
http://www.promise.com/storage/raid_series.aspx?region=en-US&m=574&rsn1=40&rsn3=47&statistic=pegasus
http://www.promise.com/storage/raid...74&rsn1=40&rsn3=47&statistic=pegasusInterface
pulled from link above it says it supports PCIe
Information:
Thunderbolt™ technology ports:
Dual-Channel 10Gbps per port
Bi-directional
Dual-Protocol (PCIe and DisplayPort) this looks to have promise! (pun intended)
Daisy chained devices
Sustained Data Transfer Rates :
up to 800 MB/s
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...So while we have a bit more cable clutter to deal with, there's nothing that's being proposed for Thunderbolt that we can't do already with our Mac Pros.
Well...I don't know that I'd go quite that far. Thunderbolt does what we can do on the Mac Pro but as far less cost of both space and hardware I would say. the transfer speeds seem to rival, even defeat, most high end PCIe Raid setups that at present would set you back several thousands of dollars...probably in the tens actually. Personally the possibilities it could bring to the Mac Pro are very interesting to me and when the light finally show up in the peak it will be even better.
there is hope look at the post above. 800MB/s and PCie compatible that is right from promise website. how about that a six drive box moving at 800MB/s and you could daisychain up to 6 of them that is 36hdds
let' see, I'm not saying I'm going to throw away my Mac Pro because of this, believe me I love it! And I know it's been like this a long time ago (if you say it's 2003, I'll believe you goMac) The thing is that they seem to be forgetting the Pro user, that's what I feel.
But this case, right now it seems we won't get that damned TB on the Mac Pros, I don't remember de FW800 case, but you could put PCIe cards on older Mac Pros, and I'll be able to put USB 3.0.
Also, I'm not blaming only Apple, but also Intel and all this agreement with the TB video-thing
But this case, right now it seems we won't get that damned TB on the Mac Pros, I don't remember de FW800 case, but you could put PCIe cards on older Mac Pros, and I'll be able to put USB 3.0.
Also, I'm not blaming only Apple, but also Intel and all this agreement with the TB video-thing
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I thought you couldn't boot off TB ?
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I thought you couldn't boot off TB ?
I don't believe it's been verified either way, but it seems like Apple hasn't cut corners. It was actually verified that you can use TB as a connection for Target Disk Mode, which is an extremely nice touch, and secures the future for TDM.
The key is implementation
I read the whole forum (so far) and here's my $0.02:
A. Thunderbolt will not necessarily be on the graphics card, why wouldn't it just talk to the GFX through the PCIe bus (since they are sharing it).
2. Way to go /Intel - come up with a connection that abbreviates to the same letters as the current storage measurement. Is TB going to stand for Thunderbolt or TeraByte? Just look at this example: "I hooked up my 2.0TB RAID with TB2.0" which one is Thunderbolt 2.0 and which is 2.0 TeraBytes? (this seems a likely senario with an SSD RAID).
I read the whole forum (so far) and here's my $0.02:
A. Thunderbolt will not necessarily be on the graphics card, why wouldn't it just talk to the GFX through the PCIe bus (since they are sharing it).
2. Way to go /Intel - come up with a connection that abbreviates to the same letters as the current storage measurement. Is TB going to stand for Thunderbolt or TeraByte? Just look at this example: "I hooked up my 2.0TB RAID with TB2.0" which one is Thunderbolt 2.0 and which is 2.0 TeraBytes? (this seems a likely senario with an SSD RAID).
Apple and Intel's Iron Grip over ThunderBolt
That's the REAL story here: The money behind licensing and PER-PORT Intellectual Property royalties ThunderBolt will bring to Apple and Intel (just as Apple profited handsomely from FireWire patents.)
So why have both parties dragged their heels on SuperSpeed USB3 support? It's not like either LACKS one iota of resources to implement it. It's a TACTICAL maneuver to get Light-Peak/ThunderBolt out there and established FIRST, get the $$ flowing from I.P. royalties.
It's no coincidence 2 of 3 Macs sold are MacBooks - 2 million of them per Quarter at this point -- so this is how Apple's going to get as many T-Bolt ports out there as possible this year. I think Stage II will be built-in ports on Intel's OEM motherboards as the next wave - for the PC marketplace.
Once T-Bolt is safely entrenched, USB 3.0 ports will likely follow uh, NEXT YEAR... at their discretion. I think the marketplace and consumer will demand both PC and Mac USB3 support. It's benefits to the consumer - and backward compatibility with a billion legacy USB 2.0 and 1.1 devices is just to big to ignore. But delaying it as long as possible is part of the ThunderBolt/LightPeak Master plan.
That's the REAL story here: The money behind licensing and PER-PORT Intellectual Property royalties ThunderBolt will bring to Apple and Intel (just as Apple profited handsomely from FireWire patents.)
So why have both parties dragged their heels on SuperSpeed USB3 support? It's not like either LACKS one iota of resources to implement it. It's a TACTICAL maneuver to get Light-Peak/ThunderBolt out there and established FIRST, get the $$ flowing from I.P. royalties.
It's no coincidence 2 of 3 Macs sold are MacBooks - 2 million of them per Quarter at this point -- so this is how Apple's going to get as many T-Bolt ports out there as possible this year. I think Stage II will be built-in ports on Intel's OEM motherboards as the next wave - for the PC marketplace.
Once T-Bolt is safely entrenched, USB 3.0 ports will likely follow uh, NEXT YEAR... at their discretion. I think the marketplace and consumer will demand both PC and Mac USB3 support. It's benefits to the consumer - and backward compatibility with a billion legacy USB 2.0 and 1.1 devices is just to big to ignore. But delaying it as long as possible is part of the ThunderBolt/LightPeak Master plan.
I was excited about this new Thunderbolt I/O technology. I thought I would be able to put it in my computer but apparently not unless I want to buy a $600 motherboard...
http://rog.asus.com/products/motherboards/Rampage_III_Black_Edition.htm
I do video editing and it would be good to have a thunderbolt I/O...
One thing Apple could do to solve this problem is to have their own type of expansion slot that would support thunderbolt 'n' all...
While it seems possible to support TB on a PCIe card (despite Intel's claims), I mean why couldn't you but a PCIe controller/extender and a GFX chip on the same card? I actually hope Apple does put directly on the new Mac Pro MB. Sure the integrated graphics won't be great, but for A/V pros needing all the slots possible for expansion cards it frees up an extra slot.