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When the HP Z800 came out, I specced it out and compared it to the Mac Pro. Price wise, they were almost identical when configured similarly. The main difference was the HP has a SAS controller where the Mac Pro doesn't.

A SAS controller is no trifle. Anyway, the Z800 (X5650) now goes for $4699 without GPU but WITH a RAID controller. A similar MacPro with GPU and RAID controller comes to $5699. Add $150 to the Z800 price for the HD5770 and the diff is still considerable, especially when you add Apple Care (HP offers 3 year onsite as standard).

It's worse with the base model, as I pointed out in my previous post. Not that it matters, as HP is pulling out of the PC market anyway. :D

To be fair, MacPros are reasonably competitive at the beginning of their life cycle. But Apple should adjust prices as costs of parts drop.
 
To be fair, MacPros are reasonably competitive at the beginning of their life cycle. But Apple should adjust prices as costs of parts drop.

And we have a winner! Let's bring this thread around after SB-E. Right now it makes no sense to argue as PC manufacturers are giving deep discounts to keep their heads above water as Apple lay's them to waste on growth.
 
I think they are over-priced. Their "Power Macs" have always been quite a bit inflated.

I'm actually a little surprised they sell many of them. I remember when I bought a Power Mac G4 back in the day. It was a great machine, but it was severely over-priced. But I bought it because of software. I was in Pro Audio at the time.

Nowadays though, the advantage of the Mac Pro is falling off a little (maybe a lot). Standard computer components alike, you can get an equal or better machine for less. A ton less if you can build it yourself. And if you're a "pro" you should be able to.

Again, yes, pros could certainly custom build their own machine if they wanted to (and many do). But it all comes at a certain risk...

Many custom PC builders source their parts from online stores (like Newegg, for example) to save a few bucks and to avoid paying sales tax. The more skilled builders will certainly spend a fair amount of time researching individual parts and the various issues some of them may have when pieced together. And for others, it may be their first time doing a custom build and they'll simply slap a bunch of parts together (perhaps based on individual reviews) and call it a day.

But in either scenario (seasoned expert or novice), the potential for something going wrong is still there, as it would be with an OEM machine. Let's say for example the machine lost video for some bizarre reason and there wasn't a (compatible) spare graphics card lying around for the user to test. So, the user calls up the manufacturer, obtains an RMA and might wait a week for the new part to arrive. Finally, the new card arrives and with much anticipation, the user slaps in the new card only to be soul-crushed because he still still has no video. Okay, now he's thinking the motherboard is the culprit and now has to the call its manufacturer for an RMA. See where I'm getting at?

The OEM customer wouldn't necessarily have to deal with this, given the same scenario. Apple offers mail-in service AND store drop-off, while many manufacturers of professional PC workstations include on-site, next business day warranties. For a lot of businesses, this is the difference between losing a day of downtime and several. Do note that I'm not necessarily saying that this would apply to YOUR business in particular, but you can't assume that every business is the same.

Build the computer you want. Same thing can be same for cars; I'm sure you can go and tune a car (oh wait, you might need to build it from scratch to make it worthwhile); instead of buying that Bugatti Veyron for $1.7M; you can tune up many cars to be faster and more agile than that Veryon for a tenth the price (if not even less), but does that make it the same thing? No.

Agreed. I can make my GTI every bit as fast and agile as the Audi S3 using upgraded components (bigger turbo and intercooler, upgraded exhaust, upgraded fuel pump, bigger brakes, suspension, etc.) and save at least $20k. But would I want to risk the increased likelihood of things going wrong versus buying a real S3 (whose parts are covered in the bumper-to-bumper warranty)? No. And it would still be the same old GTI, only enhanced. And on a side note, it's resale value would be poo, because most wouldn't consider buying a used vehicle with a aggressive, out-of-spec mods that may require significantly more maintenance.


In the end, I think that really, this comes down a difference in philosophy. Neither way of thinking is necessarily wrong.
 
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Two years ago, no, they weren't over priced.

Now, extremely over priced on a cost/feature/lack of options for your buck basis.

If Apple doesn't come out with single socket MPs with the fastest available
SB-E and IB CPUs and a full line of PRO GPUs, the Mac Pro will be dead in
a couple of years. And honestly, I think that will be fine with Apple,
as they don't care anymore about pro computers and haven't for some time.

I hope that changes with the new CEO. We'll see.
 
My custom rig workstation which I stopped using in 2008 for my 2009 Mac Pro is now on it's 3rd reformat. Gave it to the wife as all she really does is web browsing. Yes it was cheaper but it hasn't lasted. Cost of keeping that thing up and running has been a nightmare, every couple months after a new Windows install, it will start blue screening again.

$6k is cheap in comparison to the time I've lost trying to keep that damn thing running, and all my wife does is Facebook and Youtube. Go figure.
 
Again, yes, pros could certainly custom build their own machine if they wanted to (and many do). But it all comes at a certain risk...

I think the OEM's have a slight advantage as they sell a large amount of the same models. There are often the same problems that crop up with the same models that can be addressed faster then say, a home builder having to troubleshoot their own.

Apple does offer, in some cases a technician to come to your house to fix it on the spot if you don't live within a certain range from an Apple store. ( I know I qualified ) I think similar PC OEM brand workstation offer these too.
 
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I think the OEM's have a slight advantage as they sell a large amount of the same models. There are often the same problems that crop up with the same models that can be addressed faster then say, a home builder having to troubleshoot their own.

True. Good OEMs that build high-quality machines also do a fair bit of R&D before selling new models to minimize the potential for repairs on major components. But no one is perfect. Things do happen - sometimes a supplier like WD can ship out a bad batch of hard drives.

Apple does offer, in some cases a technician to come to your house to fix it on the spot if you don't live within a certain range from an Apple store. ( I know I qualified ) I think similar OEM brand workstation offer these too.

Yeah, a buddy of mine was even able to get AASP tech to come out to his place of business to do an on-site repair, though there were Apple Stores within a 50 mile radius. Apple is pretty accommodating if you ask.
 
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