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probably been shown here, but a good article from The Verge. I hope Someone in Apples managment have read it: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/4/12373776/2012-macbook-pro-still-alive-not-dead-why
I don't think that the Apple management is completely unaware of the situation. In fact, I think they are quite aware of the situation. Somewhere there are product managers for the Mac Pro, MBP, MacMini etc. Each is responsible for one product and has to report to upper management. The whole process is designed to avoid something like:
“Hey Phil, did you commission the new MP?”
“Sure Tim, I gave the job to this new contact ... he's called John Appleseed.”
“Did you ever follow up on this?”
“No, why, do you think we have a problem?”
I would really like to hear the true reasons behind the current delays in the Mac lineup.
Yes, after the iPad pro with wings.
Anyway, I'm very afraid that the death star has already visited Apple Inc., especially the Mac department... with the well known results.
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Yes, because of that Verge states, selling 3 year old hardware is not even cheaper for Apple. So either they truly dont care about their Macs or they have some weird reason for it. But I see these complaints now daily on news pages, forums and youtube videos with different vloggers. Eventually it will come across to the common people as well, and nobody will buy another one of the current Macs - they cant keep doing this forever. I dont think I ever experienced Apple been SO behind on every product as they are today. It was an embarrassing moment waiting for the nMP when Apple even had to remove the old Mac Pro from the EU stores because it was so out of date that it didn't even meet EU standards. But now, it spans across every product except the Macbook bling laptop. I cant understand how this is not painful to Apple, they have always been ridiculed by PC hardware junkies, but recently they are experiencing hate and frustration from everyone. From Mac users, bloggers and Tech News all over...everyone asking the same question, whats going on in Cupertino.
Sadly though, I doubt, even if apple is planning to do something about it by the end of the year, we wont see any iMac updates which is what I want. Since Apple clearly consider the latest update as "new" on their website. THey are the only computer manufacturer I can think of that sells 1 year old machines and calls them brand new. And the only one in the PC business than can get away with selling 3.5 year old hardware for the initial price it came out with....which is baffling!
Sadly though, I doubt, even if apple is planning to do something about it by the end of the year, we wont see any iMac updates which is what I want. Since Apple clearly consider the latest update as "new" on their website. THey are the only computer manufacturer I can think of that sells 1 year old machines and calls them brand new. And the only one in the PC business than can get away with selling 3.5 year old hardware for the initial price it came out with....which is baffling!
If the concerns are so wide, if the lineup is COMPLETELY outdated, why nobody will use logic, and think that there must be very good reason for this stall? And it is not that Apple does not care about money they can earn from selling computer hardware.
So what reason would it be?
So what reason would it be?
Not everything is completely outdated, but for the Pro users they are. The Macbook Pro is COMPLETELY outdated (you cant find 3.5 year old hardware anywere else except at pawn shops and used machines), the Retina Macbook Pro is COMPLETELY outdated, the Mac Pro is COMPLETELY outdated and the iMac should soon be updated to not be labled completely outdated as well...the iMac its currently ok'ish but they need to get the new Gpus coming out as soon as possible as this year was a big jump in GPU performance and the imac is just barely good enough as a workhorse....and now it seems to be replacing the Mac Pro for a lot of mac users in need of a serious machine.
Then the consumer machines. Macbook Air, got a tiny speed bump 1.5 years ago but still certain components like the screen is COMPLETELY outdated compared to what other manufacturers use. The MacMini is also COMPLETELY outdated.
So Apple Store today starting to feel like entering a museum.
I do not say I know the reason, unless apple management thinks their products are good enough for the time being, and dont believe people need more horsepower. But if Im going to be completely honest to myself, I think its because Macs gets apple 10% of their income and needs more maintanance and updates to stay on top, compared to the other products they have. So, they have a tendency to down prfioritize them....which is a shame, because people like myself compare apple as one system, not just the mobile devices as a separate product line.
Mac mini - Outdated.
MacBook Pro - outdated.
Mac Pro - outdated.
MacBook Air - outdated.
Only two computers are in middle of being outdated and current to what is on the market. MacBook and iMac.
Two that either do not have enough power to power 5K Retina display, or have 5K Retina display built in.
MacBook Pro - outdated.
Mac Pro - outdated.
MacBook Air - outdated.
Only two computers are in middle of being outdated and current to what is on the market. MacBook and iMac.
Two that either do not have enough power to power 5K Retina display, or have 5K Retina display built in.
Listen guys....if we close our eyes and pretend that nothing is outdated..then it wouldn't be outdated.
Another note: rumor of rmbp is out....at least one might not be so outdated....but then again...it's a rumor....
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Another note: rumor of rmbp is out....at least one might not be so outdated....but then again...it's a rumor....
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If apple allowed us to fix stuff ourselves...Apple wouldn't have to worry about Maintenance and updates.
Better article with more information is the one on ExtremeTech:
Apple’s stagnant product lines mostly reflect the state of the computer industry
One tough thing about Apple is they generally won't revise the GPUs unless they feel they have a CPU update as well. And for the past 3 years they must have felt as if there weren't any CPU gains to be made.
This. Anybody with a modicum of common sense would have to come to the same conclusion.
It is visionary.
The problem is that the vision was to create a computer the size and shape of an elephant suppository.
Vision realized.
what did the elephant say when the rhino asked about the timeline for new mac models?
Coming to a nMP near you... eventually
Will Apple copy HP and release a Powerup Backpack for the nMP?
Maybe you can fit a Z series WS there - kidding of course
On a more serious note, macOS beta 5 is out for developers. Going strong it seems. Anyone take a peek yet?
Will Apple copy HP and release a Powerup Backpack for the nMP?
Maybe you can fit a Z series WS there - kidding of course
On a more serious note, macOS beta 5 is out for developers. Going strong it seems. Anyone take a peek yet?
Apple should just drop the Xeon. X99 with 6-10 core i7 chips is ripe for a refresh. Get those pros on overclocked X99's, DDR4 (lose the ECC ram), M.2 slots, and modern GPUs. There's the leap in performance.
Jack, that's a PC, not a Mac Pro. You know Apple won't go that route ever.
Workstations typically use Xeons (or equivalent), not desktop CPUs. There's a reason Xeons are late to the party, additional testing and validation is required. For Pro apps, not games of course.
At the time it was a good choice of hardware components, it's now obsolete of course, but only because it hasn't been updated. And the reasons could be several, I can even agree that there was no real good reason to update until now, although small bumps are nice too if not only to keep people happy with the latest. It's surely an outdated and overpriced machine now.
Workstations typically use Xeons (or equivalent), not desktop CPUs. There's a reason Xeons are late to the party, additional testing and validation is required. For Pro apps, not games of course.
At the time it was a good choice of hardware components, it's now obsolete of course, but only because it hasn't been updated. And the reasons could be several, I can even agree that there was no real good reason to update until now, although small bumps are nice too if not only to keep people happy with the latest. It's surely an outdated and overpriced machine now.
Too much bang for the buck.
Another vote for never gonna happen.
Especially when folks could put it together at Newegg with premium bits
for thousands less than Apple would charge. Definately a non-starter.
That will always be a prime hackintosh build.
those CPUs just recently became available so that machine couldn't have existed until now anyways. 6 core was avaiable previously but only supported up to 64GB RAM. not enough for a real workstation replacement.
Funny you should say that, because Apple says that the MP6,1 supports only 64 GiB of RAM!
Configurable to 32GB (four 8GB) or 64GB (four 16GB)
X99 and C612 are almost the same chip, even on any x99 mb you can install any Xeon E5 v3 or v4 (even 160W or 22 core models) even supports ECC and non-ECC ram, the same you can do on C612 MB install an Core i7 HEDT (aka Extreme Edition) 6950X, 6900K, 6850K & 6800K with non-ECC ram (ECC/Non-ECC ram shares socket). thats true but Stop, Core i7 HEDT aren't endurance chips, neither are cheaper than its closest Xeon Counterpart (which support ECC and long runs at full throttle).
check this if you dont believe c612 can drive an i7: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10SRA-F.cfm