? ok ok ok but please say it quietly your cMP is nearby and can hear you!!!! after all these years and that's what it hears from you... ?
no fork!!! only respect and love to the cMP!!! ?
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no fork!!! only respect and love to the cMP!!! ?
I pray every day that once they squeeze in more memory, cores, and a real gpu there will something like the 6,1 that is slightly more modular so my next upgrade isn't an m1 mac mini.
Just read this and thought to share it here as it pertains to the above comment -- I still won't stick a fork into my cMP though! ?
How M1 Macs feel faster than Intel models: it’s about QoS
By segregating macOS background tasks on Efficiency cores, M1 Macs can run user apps unfettered on their Performance cores. And that feels really fast.
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How does the M1 handle that with its stupid limited RAM? My iMac has 64GB, and even general 4K footage editing in FCP uses 20+
The main limitation I've hit has come export time. With a few longer FCP projects (10 mins+) I've had it run ought of memory partway through and fail. This is with a few other apps open (like Chrome, which is an obvious memory hog). Simply closing the apps isn't normally enough.
What's has worked is doing a full restart and only opening FCP and starting the export. So far, this has worked 100% of the time.
For me the M1 Macs were a toe in the water, to see what the new systems were going to be like, and for a first-gen version they've really impressed me. A 16-inch MacBook Pro with more CPU/GPU cores and at least 32GB RAM will be sensational.
In my honest opinion, i don't think Mac Pro is ready for M1.. a machine that powerful needs Intel for a few more years. But, i do feel sorry for those who spent 20,000 and more on 2019 mac pros and are stuck with a paper weight 5 years from now.
Lol what exaggerated nonsense.
Mac Pros make their owners money. By the time you move them on they’ve more than paid for themselves, and even with the transition to AS the 7,1 won’t be useless nor worthlesss.
I’m interested in Apple Silicon, but I won’t get an M1 Mac unless it was for a media center. 16 GB of shared RAM is too little. Wait for the Mac Pro version. Get a 6,1 or 7,1 to hold you over if you must upgrade now.
I wouldn't get or buy anything from apple at this time. And I simply won't. We are living through some difficult times at the moment. We have been through difficult times for a few years already. Apple's got to straighten up now. And they have to communicate more - reliably.
They do thrive in the consumer sector. A lot, we all see that. Just look at their yearly reports. They rule the world today.
I do have a complaint though. They do not care about everybody, not semi Pros at least - like myself. Only the ones who support their own acts and their own money making they do support. The Halos only. And they are being greedy as hell. Like Microsoft was earlier, you remember. And we all hated Microsoft because of that. MS was an antichrist to us. Now it's Apple themselves. They only want our money. By any means necessary. That's the deal today.
I started using Apples in the 80's. I loved it. I was an Applehead for something like 20-30 years. Now I think I hate Apple. Apple is too big, and too dominant. And it's behaving like that too.
This is beginning to feel like a divorce to me.
They do thrive in the consumer sector. A lot, we all see that. Just look at their yearly reports. They rule the world today.
I do have a complaint though. They do not care about everybody, not semi Pros at least - like myself. Only the ones who support their own acts and their own money making they do support. The Halos only. And they are being greedy as hell. Like Microsoft was earlier, you remember. And we all hated Microsoft because of that. MS was an antichrist to us. Now it's Apple themselves. They only want our money. By any means necessary. That's the deal today.
I started using Apples in the 80's. I loved it. I was an Applehead for something like 20-30 years. Now I think I hate Apple. Apple is too big, and too dominant. And it's behaving like that too.
This is beginning to feel like a divorce to me.
Like the above post, I am starting to hate them even more, but I am using them for stock as I want to make money by buying shares.
Interesting to see all the glowing comments re M1 Mac Minis effortlessly taking on heavy video/still editing and processing. I asked the question in the forum but not had a single response about installing a 10gb ethernet card in my MP 5,1, networking it to an M1 Mac Mini and using the cMP as 1) primarily a hard drive enclosure (I have 7 drives inside, some in Raid 0 for video editing) and 2) as a still-functioning centre for out-of-date software whose newer iterations are on the damned subscription model.
Anyway, what I'm suggesting is this way no one has to stick a fork or whatever into the old cheese grater.
But, technically, is this feasible? Too slow, too many bottlenecks for big media files to move between cMP and Mac Mini? Too expensive maybe (I've seen the same ethernet 10gb cards sold by OWC for under $200 used)?
Anyway, what I'm suggesting is this way no one has to stick a fork or whatever into the old cheese grater.
But, technically, is this feasible? Too slow, too many bottlenecks for big media files to move between cMP and Mac Mini? Too expensive maybe (I've seen the same ethernet 10gb cards sold by OWC for under $200 used)?
Makes perfect sense to me.. I feel for the person who post this. He is right, Apple isn't the same like it was before. No innovation anymore.
You say this after they released a new processor that punches far above its weight, and is in the process of making more powerful ones for power users, and revamping the entire Mac lineup.
Sine when does “make box with slots” count as innovative? It’s like the exact opposite. Frankly if Apple wasn’t innovative, they would have kept going with Intel and just made machines as bog standard as everyone else.
Time will tell
There could be loads of reasons for this strategy .
As we all know: assumption is the mother of all ....ups.
I’m convinced moving away from x was the right move after the M1 came out. And anyone would say it was a risky play.
Being willing to take on risk to reap better rewards is the most key part of innovation.
Making a product that many other companies make is the exact opposite. Maybe the claims of Apple no longer being innovative held water in 2017, but in 2021, There’s no doubt.
If I was using Photoshop and graphic design stuff, I would keep my old gear, no need to buy anything new.
The only reason I am waiting for the new MBP is because I do live video for shows, I stream 3 different video streams from my MBP and when I start to apply effects in real time the machines start to get slow after a few hours. That is the only reason. Video editing and compositing in big resolutions takes processing. But for desktop publishing... nah.
The only reason I am waiting for the new MBP is because I do live video for shows, I stream 3 different video streams from my MBP and when I start to apply effects in real time the machines start to get slow after a few hours. That is the only reason. Video editing and compositing in big resolutions takes processing. But for desktop publishing... nah.
First I was not going to answer this one at all. Discussions seems to be fine, and not hostile. So I’ll try to refine my opinion.
I concur. Apple is innovative, fast, and really lucrative. At least to it’s shareholders it is. My main complaint about Apple was written in MR Mac Pro forum though. Not in the consumer machines subformus. Which are the lucrative sectors of Apple corp. And that's fine, I guess.
I work as an architect and thus do all of my stuff in the construction business in general. Not all though, but that is irrelevant in my opinion.
Apple has deprecated every standard the software I use have made their software built upon. OpenCL, OpenGL, and even Cuda they ditched early on. There is a chance some of my high paid software will not be converted to Ass-Silicon ever (pun intended). But that’s a long gone discussion for now I believe. We just have to wait if they want to tell us about it, Apple or the SW companies.
Apple don’t tell us what’s it’s gonna do or be next. What to abandon, what to keep. What to avoid, what to embrace. You never know. Apple acts as will. And we all just obey. Or leave.
It’s just too flamboyant with them. They are not being consistent, not by any means within openness to customers, and, well: I believe they truly are not consumer friendly - not anymore they are.
BTW. I myself do not own any Apple Stock. Others might own it. That fact should be a compulsory information with every post made at the moment in MR forums. Just saying, some MR members have made that confession allready, thank you for that and thanks for your honesty ? ♥️.
I concur. Apple is innovative, fast, and really lucrative. At least to it’s shareholders it is. My main complaint about Apple was written in MR Mac Pro forum though. Not in the consumer machines subformus. Which are the lucrative sectors of Apple corp. And that's fine, I guess.
I work as an architect and thus do all of my stuff in the construction business in general. Not all though, but that is irrelevant in my opinion.
Apple has deprecated every standard the software I use have made their software built upon. OpenCL, OpenGL, and even Cuda they ditched early on. There is a chance some of my high paid software will not be converted to Ass-Silicon ever (pun intended). But that’s a long gone discussion for now I believe. We just have to wait if they want to tell us about it, Apple or the SW companies.
Apple don’t tell us what’s it’s gonna do or be next. What to abandon, what to keep. What to avoid, what to embrace. You never know. Apple acts as will. And we all just obey. Or leave.
It’s just too flamboyant with them. They are not being consistent, not by any means within openness to customers, and, well: I believe they truly are not consumer friendly - not anymore they are.
BTW. I myself do not own any Apple Stock. Others might own it. That fact should be a compulsory information with every post made at the moment in MR forums. Just saying, some MR members have made that confession allready, thank you for that and thanks for your honesty ? ♥️.
I’m sorry that your software relies on libraries that have been deprecated. However, I’m of the opinion that it was necessary to move forward. If developers don’t want to continue their Mac software then that’s their prerogative. Apple provides tools and apis to program software for the Mac. That’s their end of the bargain.
As to what they’re going to do with the Mac Pro line, I can’t answer. But I remain optimistic that it will be somewhat expandable.
As to company secrecy, yes Apple doesn’t communicate when or if they will update or continue products. As I recall, it’s been that way for a long time.
For the record, the deprecation of 32-bit libraries was announced with Mojave, and given a year to complete. Not overnight. They announced the transition to Apple Silicon 6 months before the release of the first computers, and had dev kits ready at the announcement. We’re still in a transition period, so there’s still time to transfer over software.
If you assume that I’m making arguments based on ownership of Apple stock, then you’re mistaken. Is it impossible that I agree with some of Apple’s decisions aside from financial gain?
If your software no longer works then I’m sorry. But that’s just the brakes, Apple cannot force other companies to make their software compatible, and other companies may not see the point in making their software compatible.
I am not a native speaker, but one could conduct that you do own some apple stock?
That aside, thank you for your answer. I can feel your enthusiasm. I feel that myself too. Apple Silicon is great. It’s probably gonna rule the world for a while I think.
Just not for me today. I’ll have to wait, and suffer in between. We have work to do. We need to buy workstations and deliver stuff. M1 based Mac is not a workstation. Youtubers are not a good source of and about professional workflows.
That aside, thank you for your answer. I can feel your enthusiasm. I feel that myself too. Apple Silicon is great. It’s probably gonna rule the world for a while I think.
Just not for me today. I’ll have to wait, and suffer in between. We have work to do. We need to buy workstations and deliver stuff. M1 based Mac is not a workstation. Youtubers are not a good source of and about professional workflows.
I picked up an M1 Mac mini to replace my 2018 MacBook Pro which replaced my 2008 Mac Pro. I was able to export 1000 images with the M1 10 minutes faster than the MacBook Pro. For what the cost is on one of the M1s its well worth it.
As for any 16GB issues I have yet to see the system tell me I'm out of RAM and on my 16GB MacBook Pro Id regularly see that issue.
As for any 16GB issues I have yet to see the system tell me I'm out of RAM and on my 16GB MacBook Pro Id regularly see that issue.
I do, but I bought one because I like where Apple is going and I think it’s worth owning based on that. I also bought shares for each of my siblings to start retirement accounts.
The M1 isn’t a workstation machine no, but I’m optimistic that Apple will release a workstation class chip in the future.
I will admit that I may be wrong. And should that happen I’ll admit it. But until then I’m a Mac user. I love my 5,1 Mac Pro, but I’m convinced the M series is the future.
So no one has any thoughts on installing 10gb ethernet card in my cMP 5,1 and networking to M1 Mini using the Mac Pro basically as hard drive enclosure (as well as being able to access legacy system and software)???
I can't get figure out if the in-out speeds from the Mac Pro's drives would be fast for editing on the M1 Mini (using Davinci or Premiere).
I can't get figure out if the in-out speeds from the Mac Pro's drives would be fast for editing on the M1 Mini (using Davinci or Premiere).
They appear to be about £200-300 ballpark (on Amazon).
Not seen any benchmarks or tests for speed though.
Or any issues a cMP may have, since it never had 10gb option (it may need a hack).
Ideally you would want the fastest drives in your cMP (i.e. NVMe).
But then, don't know if it would make any difference either....?
Not seen any benchmarks or tests for speed though.
Or any issues a cMP may have, since it never had 10gb option (it may need a hack).
Ideally you would want the fastest drives in your cMP (i.e. NVMe).
But then, don't know if it would make any difference either....?