MAC Pro1.1 Upgradability and Future Use

[ejwjohn]

Ok, Now we have another issue the Windows 10 download from the link below appears not to be complete??

Download Windows 10 Disc Image (ISO File)

www.microsoft.com

as when I try to use Etcher to create a USB with the image, Etcher comes up with an error indicating that the Partition table is missing from the ISO??

JohnW

 

[hwojtek]

But having said that both devices are equipped with the SDD version of the mac storage and I think it is now causing me more issues as yesterday I started having issues on both machines in relation to the new Windows load.

The fact they are using a SSD has nothing to do with that. It's just a disk.

So I decided to reload both macs with their original software using the internet recovery option and now I cannot successfully install Windows using the Rufus-created USB the issue appears to be that when getting to the point of installing Windows on the MAC when i need to specify where to install the software on the MAC the windows comes back with an error that i cannot recognise the format of the disk i have selected?

What it has to do is that you somehow believe you can install two different operating systems (MacOS and Windows) to a disk that is formatted for MacOS only. No wonder Windows can not install.
You need to have a disk that is split between MacOS part and a Windows part (or better yet - two separate physical devices, thought you realized it from my previous writing about using separate disks).

Ok, Now we have another issue the Windows 10 download from the link below appears not to be complete??

There is no issue. The links works perfectly well. I clicked it, selected a Windows "multi edition" ISO (the only choice), confirmed, selected the language, confirmed, selected the flavor (32/64 bit), confirmed and downloaded the ISO.

as when I try to use Etcher to create a USB with the image, Etcher comes up with an error indicating that the Partition table is missing from the ISO??

You have been told to use Rufus. Why are you using a tool that clearly states it is unable to properly create a Windows USB installer when already told what to use?

 

[ejwjohn]

Ok, Thanks for this.
There are two separate disks in that i created another partition within the main disk, I also have an HDD unit that is housed in an external Caddy and that is giving me the same issues.
Thanks

JhnW

 

[hwojtek]

Ok, Thanks for this.
There are two separate disks in that i created another partition within the main disk, I also have an HDD unit that is housed in an external Caddy and that is giving me the same issues.

I don't think an external disk will do for Windows installation unless it is "Windows to go" (or WtG treated with some additional tricks).
If you want to use the same physical disk partitioned, the other partition must at least be formatted as FAT (Windows should convert it). I am not quite sure if that's enough, though, since Windows expects its own EFI partition. Bootcamp assistant may be helpful in such scenario.
I strongly recommend using a separate disk for 'native' Windows installations. I believe it is the only way to have a dedicated (non-Bootcamp) Windows install on a Mac.

 

[ejwjohn]

You have been told to use Rufus. Why are you using a tool that clearly states it is unable to properly create a Windows USB installer when already told what to use?

Initially, the only way I could get a bootable USB was by using Etcher....... so I am now going back to recreating what i had initially that worked.

The one real show stopper in regard to Rufus is that I need a windows environment and now I do not have any windows environment working...... so the only way I can get to that point is to recreate Windows under a VM in Ubuntu...far from ideal but.......

The initial idea of the HDD in an external USB Caddy was to create the Windows environment on that HDD and then transfer it back to my Mac Pro 1.1.

JohnW

 

[hwojtek]

The one real show stopper in regard to Rufus is that I need a windows environment and now I do not have any windows environment working...... so the only way I can get to that point is to recreate Windows under a VM in Ubuntu...far from ideal but.......

It works. I did such things when I was tinkering with my Windows on a 1,1/2,1 mac pro and a VM with Windows was my main workshop to prepare a native installation.

 

[ejwjohn]

Nice to know your result.
In my case, I just created a Windows USB installer to a USB box containing an HDD.
I then moved the HDD to the cMP1,1 (SATA port), booted it on and installed Windows right on the HDD.
Now, whenever I boot from that Windows HDD, Windows set-up would boot first, then let me select the main Windows session (64 bit Windows 10).

Hi,

Just fully realised the significance of your initial comment and in particular the part about...." creating a Windows installer to a USB Box containing an HDD then moving the HDD back into the Mac Pro " etc etc.

As I have just come across the issue that Microsoft prevent the installation of windows on external drives connected to USB etc.....

But I am sure I have read about people doing this all the time or am I mistaken again?

I have just ordered an SDD external drive specifically to install Windows .... i guess it's back to a bit more Googlling?

Thx
JohnW

 

[hwojtek]

It is possible to create a Windows2go installation via Rufus and then convert it to regular Windows with a little help of some additional software.

Or work your way through Windows DVD creation with a tutorial, disconnect all internal hard drives apart from the one you want to install Windows to, boot from a DVD you created.

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

Hi,

Just fully realised the significance of your initial comment and in particular the part about...." creating a Windows installer to a USB Box containing an HDD then moving the HDD back into the Mac Pro " etc etc.

As I have just come across the issue that Microsoft prevent the installation of windows on external drives connected to USB etc.....

But I am sure I have read about people doing this all the time or am I mistaken again?

I have just ordered an SDD external drive specifically to install Windows .... i guess it's back to a bit more Googlling?

Thx
JohnW

You can do both things.
My comments is about creating a Windows USB Installer, but instead of a USB flash drive (USB stick), I used a USB enclosure with an HDD inside.
On an PC or a newer Mac computer, I could just plug in the USB enclosure and boot from it.
But on the MP 1,1/2,1, it will not boot.
Remove the HDD from the USB enclosure, and install it to 1 of the 6 internal SATA ports of the MP 1,1/2,1, the machine will recognize it as a normal SATA device and allow booting from it.

Windows can be run from USB device, but it needs a little hack (Rufus, WinsToUSB apps, etc) to pull that trick since Microsoft had locked down that function permanently.

Even if it might boot and run normally on another PC/Mac. , a WindowsToGo USB drive will not boot your MP1,1/2,1.
But anyway, why bothered with the slow USB port, when you already have 6 much faster SATA ports on the machine?

It has been 15 years since the MP 1,1/2,1 was release and many people are not aware of or remember its limitations.

Officially by Apple, the MP1,1/2,1 only supports Windows 7 32bit. Even though the hardware support 64-bit OS.

 

[ejwjohn]

You can do both things.
My comments is about creating a Windows USB Installer, but instead of a USB flash drive (USB stick), I used a USB enclosure with an HDD inside.
On an PC or a newer Mac computer, I could just plug in the USB enclosure and boot from it.
But on the MP 1,1/2,1, it will not boot.
Remove the HDD from the USB enclosure, and install it to 1 of the 6 internal SATA ports of the MP 1,1/2,1, the machine will recognize it as a normal SATA device and allow booting from it.

Windows can be run from USB device, but it needs a little hack (Rufus, WinsToUSB apps, etc) to pull that trick since Microsoft had locked down that function permanently.

Even if it might boot and run normally on another PC/Mac. , a WindowsToGo USB drive will not boot your MP1,1/2,1.
But anyway, why bothered with the slow USB port, when you already have 6 much faster SATA ports on the machine?

It has been 15 years since the MP 1,1/2,1 was release and many people are not aware of or remember its limitations.

Officially by Apple, the MP1,1/2,1 only supports Windows 7 32bit. Even though the hardware support 64-bit OS.

It is possible to create a Windows2go installation via Rufus and then convert it to regular Windows with a little help of some additional software.

Or work your way through Windows DVD creation with a tutorial, disconnect all internal hard drives apart from the one you want to install Windows to, boot from a DVD you created.

Hi Both,

I think i have sorted my problems with a little help from this utube

and this website

https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/

Just like to say thanks for the help, but I believe i now have something that works and is reproducible

JohnW

 

[Nguyen Duc Hieu]

Hi Both,

I think i have sorted my problems with a little help from this utube

and this website

Just like to say thanks for the help, but I believe i now have something that works and is reproducible

JohnW

Just try it out yourself.

For the Hasleo, you will need to purchase their Pro version.

Rufus also can only do Windows Home version, now, I guess.

 

[ejwjohn]

That's what i have been doing before i sent my last post