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JimmyjamesEU

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Height? No. Still useful, yes. Never gave a damn about Photoshop. Considering your view of Linux, you have zero experience with current HPC systems. You have fun with your toys.

MacOS had the potential to be that successor. Potential. Now, nothing more.
Total bs. I don’t know what you think a workstation is, but it isn’t HPC. If you can’t run graphics or video editing software while also doing stuff in the terminal you arent on a workstation.

Cray, HPE?? Lol. Poser.
 

TiggrToo

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I "switched" for the promise of a UNIX workstation with commodity software as well and, frankly, Win 11 with WSL2 would probably be better at it now. Maybe.
Sounds like you failed to do your reaserch before purchasing.

BSD is closer to Unix than Linux is. BSD can trace it's ancestry all the way up to the original Unix.

Linux is a Unix like OS that was created entirely separately.
 
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jjcs

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Total bs. I don’t know what you think a workstation is, but it isn’t HPC. If you can’t run graphics or video editing software while also doing stuff in the terminal you arent on a workstation.

Cray, HPE?? Lol. Poser.

Video editing? Also never gave a single damn about that. Engineering, yes. Workstations are mere pre and post-processing desktops for running the real solution on a supercomputer, running UNICOS, IRIX, or, now, Linux. Poser.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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I'm not in the "makes pretty pictures" market, which is Apple's pro focus. You do know that the post-MIPS SGI systems ran SUSE Linux, right? That and I *like* OpenGL. Lots of my tools use it and I'm not going to spend time to port them to Metal just because Apple wants me to. YMMV and all, but we're clearly in different fields, if you actually ever used "unix" for work. Heck, I go back to the Cray X/MP, HP Apollo, and VMS.
“Makes pretty pictures” lol. Enough. Please stop. Sgi was built around making pretty pictures.

Who gives a **** what sgi ran after they stopped developing Irix, they were dead by that point. Liking OpenGL fits with your desire for dead technology. At least move to Vulcan.
 

TiggrToo

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you actually ever used "unix" for work
I did. Cut my eye teeth on System V/88 back in the 1990s. Even managed to get it talking to our Novell Netware server with a nice bit of work bridging IPX/SPX to TCP/IP.

UUCP was always my favorite though - are the magic of cron firing off jobs to copy data from the remote servers of the 9600 baud modems...
 

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Sounds like you failed to do your reaserch before purchasing.

BSD is closer to Unix than Linux is. BSD can trace it's ancestry all the way up to the original Unix.

Linux is a Unix like OS that was created entirely separately.

I did my research. I've used SVR4 systems and BSD. I'm not impressed with the way MacOS is going.
 

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“Makes pretty pictures” lol. Enough. Please stop. Sgi was built around making pretty pictures.

Who gives a **** what sgi ran after they stopped developing Irix, they were dead by that point. Liking OpenGL fits with your desire for dead technology. At least move to Vulcan.
SGI's main customer base was defense, the sciences, and oil exploration, not Hollywood. I realize your own experiences with that may be limited.

OpenGL works for my purposes. It's a waste of time porting to Metal when it isn't necessary. We're not talking gaming with programmable shaders.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Video editing? Also never gave a single damn about that. Engineering, yes. Workstations are mere pre and post-processing desktops for running the real solution on a supercomputer, running UNICOS, IRIX, or, now, Linux. Poser.
Literally all wrong. Stop before you get too deep.
 

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So why did you so you wanted a UNIX experience. Linux ain't Unix. BSD is.

MacOS isn't actually BSD and the software support is going in a direction that makes what I use the machine for less convenient. I'm reminded of the bad old days of Apple fandom with this crap.
 

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Literally all wrong. Stop before you get too deep.
Not even remotely wrong, kid. Seriously. The problems we solve exceed the capacity of any desktop workstation and pretty much always have. Graphical workstation are used primarily for pre and post-processing.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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SGI's main customer base was defense, the sciences, and oil exploration, not Hollywood. I realize your own experiences with that may be limited.

OpenGL works for my purposes. It's a waste of time porting to Metal when it isn't necessary. We're not talking gaming with programmable shaders.
Dude your experince with Unix is clearly very limited. No matter what Wikipedia page you go and look up. What’s next? Talk about SCO! Lol.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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MacOS isn't actually BSD and the software support is going in a direction that makes what I use the machine for less convenient. I'm reminded of the bad old days of Apple fandom with this crap.
The user land is bsd. Give it up. You’re making things up at this point. “Software support”? What on earth are you talking about.
 

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Dude your experince with Unix is clearly very limited. No matter what Wikipedia page you go and look up. What’s next? Talk about SCO! Lol.
What's your experience? What have you used these systems for?

Remember the Jurassic Classic Crimson? Do you know where most of those were actually used (Crimsons, although they did have anemic processors with a great graphics pipeline....).
 

jjcs

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The user land is bsd. Give it up. You’re making things up at this point. “Software support”? What on earth are you talking about.
Clearly stuff you either don't use or don't know about.

When you have to replace the userland with Homebrew or Macports to render the system really usable..... without having to port everything yourself.

Makes a great home computer.
 

TiggrToo

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MacOS isn't actually BSD and the software support is going in a direction that makes what I use the machine for less convenient. I'm reminded of the bad old days of Apple fandom with this crap.
Would be nice if you knew what you were talking about before posting.

MacOS is certified by the Open Group.

 

jjcs

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Wild be nice if you knew what you were talking about befote posting.

MacOS is certified by the Open Group.

Good they're still paying the license fee. Surprising. Doesn't change my own workflow one bit. Windows NT4 could have been certified by the Open Group if MS had bothered.

It's great its UNIX(tm), but that doesn't matter like it once did as far as capability.
 

TiggrToo

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Good they're still paying the license fee. Surprising. Doesn't change my own workflow one bit. Windows NT4 could have been certified by the Open Group if MS had bothered.

It's great its UNIX(tm), but that doesn't matter like it once did as far as capability.

Back peddling much? You've gone from "It's not Unix" to "well it's only because they're paying".

Meanwhile your insistence that Macs are "home" computers is not born out by real life.

Our entire video team uses multiple Mac devices to edit all our recordings and manage much of our live shows.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Good they're still paying the license fee. Surprising. Doesn't change my own workflow one bit. Windows NT4 could have been certified by the Open Group if MS had bothered.

It's great its UNIX(tm), but that doesn't matter like it once did as far as capability.
Not if your "work" depends on antiquated technologies and linux specific tools. That doesn't make it superior, just popular. Popular because it works with everything and is very efficient in a server environment. Your experience and knowledge are so limited you confuse linux for unix, and that's common these days, but you are wrong if you think macOS isn't a great unix workstation.
 

Ethosik

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Do you speak for everyone else who plays games? No. Should others like the same things you do? No. Should others value the same things the same way you do? No. Are things like expensive, required, good to have relative? Yes.
Um.....isn't this the whole point of discussion boards? Does the original person speak for everyones else? Will the RTX 40 series cover every one else's needs? So you are saying YOU speak for EVERYONE but not ME? How so? I said I don't need a 40 series, but you are saying I do?

NOBODY speaks for EVERYONE. What is the point of your post?
 

JimmyjamesEU

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What's your experience? What have you used these systems for?

Remember the Jurassic Classic Crimson? Do you know where most of those were actually used (Crimsons, although they did have anemic processors with a great graphics pipeline....).
Im not here to give you my CV. Sufficed to say I used and admind a bunch of Sgi Octanes, Octane 2 and Tezro machine, planty of sparc stations etc. I know workstations, I have used workstations. You are not talking about workstations.
 

oz_rkie

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Um.....isn't this the whole point of discussion boards? Does the original person speak for everyones else? Will the RTX 40 series cover every one else's needs?
Precisely my point. You seem to be contradicting yourself. Its great that you don't NEED the most badass components but your posts are written in such a way that you want to imply that just because you don't need or want it, no one else does either. Here, read the first words in your original post -
Pro tip: You don't need the biggest baddest component.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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Clearly stuff you either don't use or don't know about.

When you have to replace the userland with Homebrew or Macports to render the system really usable..... without having to port everything yourself.

Makes a great home computer.
What, you dont have to do that. This reveals your hand too much. You do that because you want the bs gnu utils with their anti unix ideas. The built in bsd commands work very well.
 

JamieLannister

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Rubbish, the new stuff really is. The pricing is just retarded. In this inflation economy and soon to be dramatic crash of stock market and housing bubble bursting you'd be out of your mind to buy anything like this just to "save you time" in doing whatever you think you need to do so quickly.

It always comes down to costs and AMD/Nvidia will beat apple at that game always. Intel can go F' themselves lying sacks of garbage. Efficiency in power use is important in this day and age but nothing is better than brute force power and building these machines with AMD and Nvidia won't break your bank like this apple stuff would.

Tons of people can manage to wait a few minutes per workload. Sure this all adds up but seriously you guys argue about how much more work can be done but in reality it's not that big of a gap vs a PC.

costs always wins and you can keep your m1 ultra if you can afford to buy one. Otherwise AMD/nvidia will catch up sooner than later.
 
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