Linux works fine on the desktop (well, it doesn't have MS Office, but I find that a plus) and "less good" is relative to what you're using it for. It makes a good technical workstation and, in fact, is far more used in that role than MacOS.
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Mac Studio M1 Ultra GPU will be beaten by AMD and Nvidia in just 6-7 months.
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Linux works fine on the desktop (well, it doesn't have MS Office, but I find that a plus) and "less good" is relative to what you're using it for. It makes a good technical workstation and, in fact, is far more used in that role than MacOS.
We're discussing the os, not the hardware. If you're trying to pretend power systems are somehow the standard linux server then we can't continue.
Now sure, despite all the roadblocks they tried to put in it's way. But it was an advantage for Solaris.
I've used enough of them (POWER). Also Altix (nice at the time, but Itanium was a massive deadend). Usually have an x86-64 workstation to develop the code, setup the problem and view the results. All with more or less the same OS and userland. That's almost as nice as the days when I was using an Indy or Indigo2 along with an Origin or other MIPS big iron.
It was. I agree. Although I really prefered SunOS (BSD) to Slowlaris (SVR4)... on an actual Sparc, not an Ultra.
Lots of developments from the commercial UNIX world became standards supported on, for instance, Linux. Sun Grid Engine (I prefer PBS, but...), STL (developed by SGI originally), OpenGL, XFS, ZFS.... Some of those are available (obviously, STL is as namespace std) on MacOS too, but it's because of the opensource community mostly centered around Linux, not anything Apple did particularly.
Note also that while Gnu is Not Unix, Gnu is not Linux either. If we're going to be pedantic.
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M1... CPU p-core is 3.5W, CPU e-core is 1W, GPU core is 1.75W
So the Ultra CPU is 16*3.5 + 4*1 -> 60W, and GPU is 64*1.75 -> 112W
Don't think this is accurate. In Anandtech's review of the m1 max, depending on what the computer is doing m1 max's package power can peak upto 92W. If you just extrapolate from here and the m1 ultra will have the interconnect as well, you are probably looking at around 200W.
Power behavior - https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3
I feel that competitors simply don’t have the means to respond effectively when thinking of the final product (i.e. one company doing it all, including the OS, apps, components, silicon, hardware). This is the main reason why I think all of the news surrounding Intel's revival attempts comes across as irrelevant to me, or whether nvidia or AMD will be able to match Apple.
You may be able to beat Apple in one particular benchmark here or there (which often comes at the expense of everything else), but you will never be able to match the specific experience that Apple is ultimately offering, and that is what will allow Apple to continue extending their lead over the rest of the industry.
You may be able to beat Apple in one particular benchmark here or there (which often comes at the expense of everything else), but you will never be able to match the specific experience that Apple is ultimately offering, and that is what will allow Apple to continue extending their lead over the rest of the industry.
I honestly am genuinely interested to understand this point of view, why are people such ardent Apple defenders?. I am a mac user btw before people start the flame wars but honestly, its ok to acknowledge a good product or service but lets be real. There is no benefit to the consumer in wanting or rooting for no one being able to beat Apple. As a consumer, regardless of what product you use, you absolutely WANT other companies to come in and beat Apple or whoever the top company/seller is at the time. Competition drives innovation and prices.
I mean, just look at recent history. No one was competing with Intel. They got lazy, they stagnated and they were charging ridiculous prices for literally single digit IPC improvements, year on year. Sometimes perf gains like 1-2%. Then AMD started competing and Intel now is forced to not only innovate but also be competitive on prices.
Apple already charges their 'brand tax' and regardless of whether you agree that Apple tax is worth it or not, as a consumer the last thing you want is Apple to remain unchallenged. I mean, that's just stupid fanboism at that point. I mean, yeah Apple came out with an awesome chip. Now, lets hope that intel and AMD can come out and challenge the m1. Why? because that is the best outcome for pretty much everyone, even if you are a hardcore mac user.
Package power includes the entire SoC and RAM, not just the CPU and GPU, which is what my numbers were for.
The M1 max would be 86W for just the CPU and GPU, so Anandtech's reading of 92W for "package power" seems right.
I am in awe of Apple’s accomplishments the same way I have watched Serena Williams and Usain Bolt dominate their respective sports over the years. This doesn’t always make for cliffhanging action, and part of the fun is precisely in watching how they steamroll the competition, but it’s been a marvel nonetheless.
There’s just something deeply inspiring about seeing what companies, teams, and people can accomplish at the peak of their ability. Especially when this is happening over a sustained period. And mark my words - Apple is still only just getting started.
This is exactly what we’re watching right now - a reign of excellence from Apple. This doesn’t make the company, its products, or its people infallible. And various moments throughout this reign might have had more sparkles of innovation and disruption than what we’re seeing now, but there’s no denying what a juggernaut of impact Apple still is.
I get that it’s uncool to root for Apple these days. Apple isn’t an underdog any more. They don’t need me or anyone else to cheer their lead. In fact, the opposite is true. Now that they’re the 600 billion gorilla, they need scrutiny and competition, not blind admiration. I acknowledge that, and I will still continue to root for Apple regardless, because I recognise Apple’s reign of excellence, and I want to applaud this when it’s happening.
Because if not now, then when?
The point is that Apple now has nearly complete vertical integration. They can control nearly every aspect of the hardware and software. This allows them to optimize both in ways the competition can't. Apple does this with iOS software and hardware, and both punch above their weight class compared to Android devices that have higher specs and are more buzzword compliant. They can bring the same level of integration to the Mac. Apple is no longer constrained by what Intel and AMD can offer.
We're also just seeing the first generation, and already ASi is not only comparable in performance in most areas, it's also much more efficient.
Comparisons are going to be difficult going forward, simply because no other vendor can sell machines with ASi, or macOS. None can offer the level of hardware and software integration that Apple will be able to going forward.
We're also just seeing the first generation, and already ASi is not only comparable in performance in most areas, it's also much more efficient.
Comparisons are going to be difficult going forward, simply because no other vendor can sell machines with ASi, or macOS. None can offer the level of hardware and software integration that Apple will be able to going forward.
Yes, Serena Williams or Usain Bolt competing in sport is the same thing.
Well, I just find the notion of 'cheering' and 'rooting' for corporations that would absolutely love to (and already do) squeeze their customers if left unchecked, but that's just me.
That’s the beauty of the free market. If I don’t think an Apple product is for me, I simply won’t buy it and last I checked, Apple isn’t a monopoly, nor does it have majority share in any market that it competes in.
The masses have voted with their wallets, and made Apple what it is today. I think that in itself says something, and I really don’t feel there is any shame in admitting that in this timeline and in this reality, Apple did good.
And so I salute Apple. For how well they have been able to improve, iterate, and stay the champ for 15 years since the release of the first iPhone.
There are so many just either vague or completely inaccurate statements in your post. Not even sure how to respond.
The masses? If you consider the global market, Apple products (both phones and computers) are definitely not a majority, not even close. Their margins are high though which is why they are what they are today. So, I wouldn't really say 'masses'. More like a large chunk of the more affluent consumers.
Champ by what metric? Margins? For 15 years? I don't remember their products being as competitive before the m1 came along. Same with phones, they made good phones that were good in many metrics but worse off in other metrics. Not sure, what you mean by champ for 15 years.
Good for you. The posts and threads in these forums are definitely a bit of an explanation as to why Apple does as well as it does.
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I "cheer" Apple on and want them to succeed because the alternatives, Windows and Android, are just complete crap and completely unintuitive to me. I'm just more in-tune with the way Apple does things. I find value in that and yes, I'm willing to pay more for it, if necessary. So Apple staying somewhat relevant and desirable means that when it comes time for new computer it can be another Mac.
And I don't at all feel squeezed by Apple. I'm not throwing money at Apple willy-nilly. I buy something and then use it until it it's done. The last two computers I bought new were a 2009 27" iMac and M1 Mac mini. (And I didn't even have to buy a display for the mini because I can my iMac as a display.) My other Mac is 2014 mini I got on eBay for a couple hundred bucks... I use it as a web server (OpenBSD in a VM), and my iTunes media server.
This is the kind of stupidity that fanboism reveals. Its great that you like Apple products, you should, they are good. But any logical person will realise that Apple is a corporation. Their ultimate goal is to make profits. If they have no serious competition, they will absolutely charge more for their products. More than what they would have in the case where they did have serious competition.
And furthermore, serious competition is what drives the Industry forward. If there is no competition, the driving force to make serious improvements to their products by any company diminishes, because if there already is no competition, why should major strides be made? It is more economically feasible to make the minimum amount of effort for maximum profits in the case of no competition.
So yeah, feel free to cheer Apple to succeed. But logically, also cheer their competition. It's just stupid as a consumer not to.
I am not well versed in music production but I am pretty sure that the M1 Max in Macbooks is more than enough for that use case.
The irony is that they need competition to remain relevant and desirable. So you are basically acting against what you want
