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Daniel Marchant

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Jan 17, 2020
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Just checked my early 15 model MacBook air and it's at 74.5% battery with 354 cycles. I have kept it plugged in 95% of the time since new. Just to give you an idea if you leave it plugged in most of the time.
Thanks for your comment, I came around several batteries that hold up to 75-80% capacity over just one year of intensive usage, presuming your laptop has at least 4 years of use, in your opinion is the battery life considerably decreased in a practical sense? I mean 74% capacity is a harsh number to refer to but practically maybe is not that bad. I can only compare it to used ones I sometimes come by and have like 800 cycles from 2010-2012 I never owned one that goes over 300 cycles before I sell it to update, but it is also hard and non practical to compare 2021 models with 2012 models anyway.

I always kept my laptops plugged in most of the time, and also tried the "unplug it when reaches 100%" for a while but noticed no practical difference to keep it just plugged in, technical aspects are interesting also, for example the mAh % capacity a reference of storage capacity, combined with cycles tell you about chemical degradation inside the battery, high cycles may lower the voltage curve that the battery delivers thus forcing it to consume quicker to achieve the needed voltage and amp required from the laptop to work, same volt-amp capacity batteries from different sellers and-or different technical manufacturing processes can deliver very different voltage curves over time and that makes big difference on how they perform over long periods of time even being the same technical voltage and capacity.
 

tps3443

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Jan 24, 2019
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I just wanted to chime in on this. The battery health fluctuates in Coconut app. I have a MacBook Air M1 16GB/1TB model. This machine was built manufactured only about 15 days ago. And my battery is only around 60 days old too.

When I first turn on my MacBook Air M1 and I open Coconut App.

It'll say= 98.6-99.9% battery capacity with around 4,320MAh-4,349MAh of the 4,382MAh design capacity (When first powered on)

Well, once my MacBook starts to warm up just a little from sitting idle ( Literally after a couple minutes of running) The Battery health goes up to 100%. And right now the Coconut app says I have 4,395MAh of the 4,382 design capacity. So my battery health is actually beyond the 100%

The battery temperature directly correlates your battery health. And from what I see here, a colder battery shows less health, than a battery at room temperature.

Another example here, I can have 100% battery health with a 4,395MAh available. If I go and play a very demanding game for about 30 minutes or an hour, the battery temperature is going to hit around 40C easily. (This hotter temperature, results in lower health) so my Coconut app will go back down to 4,349MAH available. Or around (99%) health. Once the machine cools a little, the health goes back up.

My machine only has 5 cycles on it. I have never charged it to 100%, and I have never drained it below 25% either. As I am typing this Coconut says my battery health is 4,389 of 4,382 100% capacity.

If you're trying to preserve your battery as much as possible. Then, I would say don't charge past 75-80% range. (Unless you know you are gonna be away from a charger, and you'll use the machine on battery for sure!
 
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jdb8167

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Nov 17, 2008
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Just checked my early 15 model MacBook air and it's at 74.5% battery with 354 cycles. I have kept it plugged in 95% of the time since new. Just to give you an idea if you leave it plugged in most of the time.
Things are a little different now with the optimized battery charging. I've been experimenting with it on my M1 MBA and it seems to work well (for me--others have said they can't get it to work.) A couple of days ago, I told the MBA to charge the battery to 100% with the battery menu extra and then I used it a day later off the charger for a couple of hours. Once I plugged it back in, it charged to about 80% and then stopped charging. Then I charged to 100% again and left it on the charger and as of this afternoon, the battery is at 80% again.
 

ACB 123

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Sep 29, 2015
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Thanks for your comment, I came around several batteries that hold up to 75-80% capacity over just one year of intensive usage, presuming your laptop has at least 4 years of use, in your opinion is the battery life considerably decreased in a practical sense? I mean 74% capacity is a harsh number to refer to but practically maybe is not that bad. I can only compare it to used ones I sometimes come by and have like 800 cycles from 2010-2012 I never owned one that goes over 300 cycles before I sell it to update, but it is also hard and non practical to compare 2021 models with 2012 models anyway.

I always kept my laptops plugged in most of the time, and also tried the "unplug it when reaches 100%" for a while but noticed no practical difference to keep it just plugged in, technical aspects are interesting also, for example the mAh % capacity a reference of storage capacity, combined with cycles tell you about chemical degradation inside the battery, high cycles may lower the voltage curve that the battery delivers thus forcing it to consume quicker to achieve the needed voltage and amp required from the laptop to work, same volt-amp capacity batteries from different sellers and-or different technical manufacturing processes can deliver very different voltage curves over time and that makes big difference on how they perform over long periods of time even being the same technical voltage and capacity.
Used this computer over five years now and with the battery at 74% still function very well. Not sure how long it will run now at 74% but have used it lately for 5 plus hours and battery wasn't dead.
 

throAU

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Feb 13, 2012
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I've got a 2020 intel air and my battery capacity has dropped to 82 percent.

However it lives on AC power and I've started running it down on battery a bit. I can see it actually re-gaining health as I write this.

Pretty sure it (the Mac/macOS) is learning your habits and reduces the max charge capacity and this is show in battery metering tools as reduced health. Apple even say it may show "needs replacement" prematurely if you have battery health management turned on.

i.e. "battery health" meter is manipulated by macOS internally and used as "max charge". i.e., my Mac is reducing max charge to 82% currently to save battery wear - because I rarely use the battery.

Start using the battery and the health will come back.

If you need to use the machine on battery, do so. If you don't, don't...

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tps3443

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I've got a 2020 intel air and my battery capacity has dropped to 82 percent.

However it lives on AC power and I've started running it down on battery a bit. I can see it actually re-gaining health as I write this.

Pretty sure it (the Mac/macOS) is learning your habits and reduces the max charge capacity and this is show in battery metering tools as reduced health. Apple even say it may show "needs replacement" prematurely if you have battery health management turned on.

i.e. "battery health" meter is manipulated by macOS internally and used as "max charge". i.e., my Mac is reducing max charge to 82% currently to save battery wear - because I rarely use the battery.

Start using the battery and the health will come back.

If you need to use the machine on battery, do so. If you don't, don't...

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So you only ran your machine plugged in all the time? And that's how you ended up with 82% battery with only like 87 cycles?

Did you leave it plugged in? OR run it on battery all the time?

I have had my MacBook Air M1 16/1TB for about a week or a little longer now. I am charging to 100% battery for the first time right now as I'm typing this. I have only charged to about 75-77% maximum since I have had it.

New Battery design capacity is 4,382MAh
My battery capacity is 4,392MAh.

So, first time for a complete full charge. It charged all the way to 4,392!

I plan to use the battery every single day. I hope it holds up well. I saw an article on someone who had over 1,000 cycles and their MacBook battery health was still 99.9% they kept the battery between 60-75% all the time.


 
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throAU

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Feb 13, 2012
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So you only ran your machine plugged in all the time? And that's how you ended up with 82% battery with only like 87 cycles?

Did you leave it plugged in? OR run it on battery all the time?

It runs most of the time plugged in. As have all of my MacBooks.

I'm not much concerned with the 82% figure. It will come back as it learns I need battery more, battery health will charge it more (Hopefully).

It's an experiment. Either way, my previous two MacBook pros have had battery health in the 90s after 4 years (my 2011 MacBook Pro still had 90% last time I used it a year ago or so, but it had been in storage for 3 years as the discrete GPU has failed) with the exact same behaviour.

So either battery health is doing a way way worse job than just not having it turned on - or the battery health readings people are crying about are an artefact of the battery health process reducing the max charge level, which is what their battery health reading comes from.


At the end of the day - if you need battery, use it
If you don't need it, don't use it.
 

Bogdan_CH

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2021
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Just to chime in on this to see if I'm missing this. My M1 Pro since February has had 40 cycles , due to the fact that is very well optimized battery wise (thank you Apple) .

However, I'm seing 95.3 % total capacity in Coconut and iStat Menus . I just feel it's quite low to be honest , as my IPhone 11 Pro which has been charged daily in the past year and a half (over 400 cycles) shows 89 % .

I am missing something here or it's normal what I find on my end ?
 

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smirking

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However, I'm seing 95.3 % total capacity in Coconut and iStat Menus . I just feel it's quite low to be honest , as my IPhone 11 Pro which has been charged daily in the past year and a half (over 400 cycles) shows 89 % .

I am missing something here or it's normal what I find on my end ?

It's neither normal nor abnormal. It's within range. I'd expect a battery at 40 cycles to be higher than 95%, but it's not abnormal to find a 40 cycle battery at 95.3% especially since battery readings are never precise. Especially on a battery that hasn't had many cycles, the % is going to be noisy. You could find after giving the battery a few good workouts that it then says 97 or 98%. It didn't gain capacity. It's just getting a better reading... or perhaps it's getting a less accurate one.
 

Bogdan_CH

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Feb 4, 2021
12
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Well , makes sense, the only thing that I care at this point that I can keep the current (awesome) battery performance for prolonged time, at least a year or two. By then I won't find it hard to replace it.
 

Love-hate 🍏 relationship

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Sep 19, 2021
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Does the M1 battery live up to the hype as apple claims? I probably have to charge my macbook air at least 1 time a day before the battery totally drains itself and 5 times a day to have it maintain its percentage in the range of 50~90.

So I think the battery performance is overhyped. Then I checked the system report, in the battery panel, the battery model information reads "Device Name: bq20z451".

Then I searched online such name, I found that in several posts from 2010 some people said their mac had the battery with exactly the same device name.

After that I have been pretty worried if my m1 macbook had been tampered with by someone such as the product line workers who assembled the older generation battery into the mac in the manufacturing factory here in my country.

I was wondering what is the device name on your mac? Can you check that when available? Thanks!
my mba m1 also is bq20z451 sadly... what did you end up doing ?
 

michaelscarn

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May 25, 2021
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Just checked battery health on my M1 and it's showing 91%, which is odd because I have optimized charging enabled and the laptop spends most of it's time plugged in to a monitor via Thunderbolt. Is 91% to be expected after 18 months of light-moderate usage?
 

Queen6

macrumors G4
I'll give it a try, hope you're right ....
That's how it works, batteries are chemical nor are they 100% identical without significant cost. Overall don't sweat it and just enjoy your mac. One of my MBP's is still on the original battery and it's closing on 12 years young...

Only concern is the Mac you bought has the battery runtime you need, rest is moot.

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Queen6

macrumors G4
Just checked battery health on my M1 and it's showing 91%, which is odd because I have optimized charging enabled and the laptop spends most of it's time plugged in to a monitor via Thunderbolt. Is 91% to be expected after 18 months of light-moderate usage?
Batteries wear and keeping the Mac plugged in 24/7 isn't the best approach. Set up a reminder in Calendar and run the battery down by 20% every month. By nature rechargeable battery's need to be exercised, as the electrons flow it helps to keep them healthy.

At 99% on a 2020 M1 MBP, there are also 3rd party apps such as AlDente than can limit the batteries charge. 60% is a good number if not needing to run on battery. The batteries Apple utilises are of decent quality, equally they don't like to be deeply discharged or kept at 100% for extended periods of time.

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michaelscarn

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May 25, 2021
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Batteries wear and keeping the Mac plugged in 24/7 isn't the best approach. Set up a reminder in Calendar and run the battery down by 20% every month. By nature rechargeable battery's need to be exercised, as the electrons flow it helps to keep them healthy.

At 99% on a 2020 M1 MBP, there are also 3rd party apps such as AlDente than can limit the batteries charge. 60% is a good number if not needing to run on battery. The batteries Apple utilises are of decent quality, equally they don't like to be deeply discharged or kept at 100% for extended periods of time.

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Downloaded and installed! Thank you, I had no idea a program like this existed! If only I had used it on my MBP, which now requires a charger at all times. 😕
 
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Queen6

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Downloaded and installed! Thank you, I had no idea a program like this existed! If only I had used it on my MBP, which now requires a charger at all times. 😕
Works on my closing on 12 year old 15" MBP. I use a script on that one to keep the battery charge to 50% as its now down to 47% of battery capacity as it's well and truly done...

That said it still pulls full power on battery. it doesn't collapse or show any sign of swelling with the CPU pulling 65 watts for the PM1 period. For the modern Mac's best to turn off Apple's battery optimisation and let AlDente take the reigns...

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tstafford

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AlDente your problem is solved...:)

Q-6
Thanks for the recommendation. Installed yesterday on my MBP14 (which now shows 94% capacity after 58 cycles over seven months since new) and my M2 MBA (which shows 100% and three cycles over two weeks). Interested to see the impact of al dente on both machines. The 94% number is pretty disappointing honestly.
 

Queen6

macrumors G4
Thanks for the recommendation. Installed yesterday on my MBP14 (which now shows 94% capacity after 58 cycles over seven months since new) and my M2 MBA (which shows 100% and three cycles over two weeks). Interested to see the impact of al dente on both machines. The 94% number is pretty disappointing honestly.
Also note that if using AlDente, you should turn off Apple's battery optimisation.

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tstafford

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Sep 13, 2022
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Also note that if using AlDente, you should turn off Apple's battery optimisation.

Q-6
Yeah. Tells you to do so during installation.

I currently have it set for 80%, sailing mode, auto-discharge. Any other recommendations on settings?
 
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