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Renosence

macrumors newbie
Jan 29, 2020
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Same here, lagging while writing and sometimes missing letters. They changed the keyboard mechanism but not completely back to scissors.

Paid $4,800 for MBP16" with 64Mb in RAM early January. My return period has passed, I have mix feelings. Though i'm loving the speakers, writing comes to 90% of my productivity. The damn thing is lagging right now...

The popping sound while watching videos is only a Safari problem, switching to Chrome solves it.
 

Viamusic10000

macrumors regular
Dec 11, 2019
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Same here, lagging while writing and sometimes missing letters. They changed the keyboard mechanism but not completely back to scissors.

Paid $4,800 for MBP16" with 64Mb in RAM early January. My return period has passed, I have mix feelings. Though i'm loving the speakers, writing comes to 90% of my productivity. The damn thing is lagging right now...

The popping sound while watching videos is only a Safari problem, switching to Chrome solves it.
It’s not a safari problem though it’s system wide. You can trigger it in chrome by changing sampling in audio midi settings back to 44khz from the default of 48. Also the mechanism is completely scissor switch
 

lodeon929

macrumors newbie
Feb 2, 2020
1
0
I'm also intermittently having issues with input lag while typing on my brand new top of the line MBP16.
 

aramakri

macrumors newbie
Feb 23, 2020
2
0
I have this problem too. Disabling Automatic Graphics switching fixes it for me, but drains battery. Other solution that worked for me is I created another user (standard user NOT Administrator user) and that standard user does not have the problem. Something about being an administrator seems to be related to the issue... I don't know what it is... but this solution works for me - hopefully - until Apple will put out a software fix. Hope this helps.
 

Macrumorscomments1

macrumors newbie
Jan 25, 2020
1
0
I have this problem too. Disabling Automatic Graphics switching fixes it for me, but drains battery. Other solution that worked for me is I created another user (standard user NOT Administrator user) and that standard user does not have the problem. Something about being an administrator seems to be related to the issue... I don't know what it is... but this solution works for me - hopefully - until Apple will put out a software fix. Hope this helps.

I heard this fix only works until you install all the apps and go on with your workflows, can you confirm that non admin accounts continue exhibit no lag on iGPU even after few days of use?
 

incurma

macrumors newbie
Aug 8, 2018
15
1
I was experiencing this issue as well, where the system would lock up or stutter for 1-2 seconds (keyboard input lag, screen not updating, etc). This would happen all the time, but most notably while I was using Chrome or switching between apps. Disabling font smoothing made no difference, and neither did PRAM or NVRAM reset (does that ever work for anything at all?). Disabling iCloud and other sync services (dropbox, whatever else) also did nothing.

As soon as I disabled graphics switching, everything was OK.

I am not sure what that means for Apple: Does the graphics driver need to be fixed? Is the video card slow to start up? Is the T2 chip somehow involved in brokering or abstracting hardware communications, leading to a slow down? I have no idea. However, Google Chrome (especially with hardware acceleration enabled) is indeed very aggressive with gpu resources and often triggers the video card, which would explain why I often saw this problem while using Chrome.

See this thread for additional insight:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-issue-automatic-graphics-switching.2217231/

Other notes:

1. I did not have this problem with my MacBook Pro 15" 2017. I'm sure there was a slight delay when graphics were switching, but it was never very noticeable.

2. I only see the issue on my 16" when I am running without an external monitor connected. This makes sense because video card switching is disabled whenever an external monitor is connected.

3. I strongly suspect that all MacBook Pro 16" owners are having this issue, but (a) many are using external monitors or (b) many are simply not sensitive to the system stutter

4. I also had stuttering problems on a MacBook Pro 15" 2018 about a year ago. On reflection, that machine probably had the same video card problem as the 16" (although I did not think to troubleshoot this at the time). I returned that machine within the 14-day window. Given that the problem did not occur on my 15" 2017, I do wonder if the T2 chip is somehow impacting graphics switching on the 2018 and beyond machines. (Total speculation, as there could be other issues with the video card hardware or drivers.)

5. I tried reproducing the stutter in the Apple store, however I believe those machines have graphics switching disabled while the computers are running in demo mode (the system stutter therefore never manifests).

6. I originally thought that this was a problem with the bluetooth driver on the machine. I say this because noticed that anytime my system stuttered, there would be an error in my console.app indicating "Sandbox: bluetoothd(152) deny(1) mach-lookup com.apple.server.bluetooth". I suspected that this bluetooth error was causing the machine to hang up while the system sorted itself out. My machine stutters have gone away after disabling the graphics switching, but the bluetooth errors still show up in my console.app. The errors are annoying, but they don't seem to be causing any disruption. I actually had a thread for that at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-2019-16.2221046/?post=28171906#post-28171906

If you mostly run without an external monitor, I recommend manually toggling your video card on or off until Apple sorts this out (wouldn't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon). You can use https://gfx.io/ -- the app has not been updated for a while, but nevertheless works great (kudos to the dev on that one). You can also of course just disable graphics switching, and leave your dedicated video card running all of the time.

Hope this helps.
 

aramakri

macrumors newbie
Feb 23, 2020
2
0
I heard this fix only works until you install all the apps and go on with your workflows, can you confirm that non admin accounts continue exhibit no lag on iGPU even after few days of use?

You are right indeed. The problem came back today ;-( same non-admin account that I created yesterday and was fine.. today the same account, same browser, same YouTube video... is stuttering... back to square one ;-(
 

ratex

macrumors newbie
Jan 5, 2020
18
1
any known solution for this annoying issue besides disabling the iGPU?
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System Preferences > General > Use font smoothing when available > OFF.

Changing that took care of ~80% of lags on my new 16" MacBookPro. The other 20% was fixed by disabling graphic card switching. Before turning off the font smoothing I couldn't browse on Chrome or edit text while coding. Now I don't see any lags.

I've filed a bug report with Apple couple of days ago so hope they will fix this in their next software update. Until then, this is the workaround.

Did it really solve the lags/stuttering for you? Can you give us some update?
 

kravc

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2020
2
0
Turning off font smoothing has fixed the problem for me. I have base model of MBP 16". Lag was observed in Sublime Text 3, Slack, Safari while typing, moving text cursor around and selecting words.

UPDATE: Two days later, it looks like typing lag is almost gone. While there is still a slightly noticeable lag while switching between windows, minimizing windows.
 
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Jou4dounie

macrumors newbie
Mar 26, 2020
4
0
Hi, I am having similar issues to people in this forum. I have turned off font smoothing and GPU switching but the issues still persists. For me it seems to be system wide even with nothing open.
I’m also having issues with my speakers. Every time audio is playing they arbitrarily pop (it doesn’t pop when I stop/start audio, but it pops whilst audio is playing - happens a lot).

I got given this as a replacement for my last laptop (2017 15 inch) and I’ve had it for a month, I don’t want to go through the whole refund thing again so if anyone could help I’ll greatly appreciate it - Apple customer service sucks ass.

This is really annoying due to it stoping me from completing my hsc work (especially with remote learning lol)

Thanks
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also randomly shuts down
 

Jou4dounie

macrumors newbie
Mar 26, 2020
4
0
UPDATE:
- VRAM reset didn’t really do anything useful

- SMC reset seems to have fixed all my problems (will update if this only works momentarily)
 

PyerCoffin

macrumors newbie
Jan 20, 2020
19
5
Hello,
For anyone having this issue:
. If you have the latest Wacom driver installed, try going back to an older version (6.3.36-2).
. If you're using BetterTouchTool, try disabling Windows Snapping.
The Wacom thing solved all my problems...
 

MrGunnyPT

macrumors 65816
Mar 23, 2017
1,313
804
Quick UPDATE HERE - I literally went through 5 brand new computers and out of the box with NOTHING loaded on to them they were swift and no issues even on chrome. Did not restore any of them. I then downloaded all my apps such as office and adobe apps from scratch, signed into icloud and that's when the problem started occurring again. So I do think it is a software problem somewhere. Thanks all

It has got to be something with Creative Cloud I completely wiped it from my computer and it feels much snappier.. I don't know but their background processes really stress MacOS out for me.
 

Jou4dounie

macrumors newbie
Mar 26, 2020
4
0
UPDATE:
- VRAM reset didn’t really do anything useful

- SMC reset seems to have fixed all my problems (will update if this only works momentarily)
Update - still not working
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how do I do this, it has been playing up really bad since I downloaded the driver
 

Jou4dounie

macrumors newbie
Mar 26, 2020
4
0
ok so I have come up with the conclusion that when my MacBook is on charge it works normally but after being unplugged for about 20 minutes it starts having a massive fit (lagging, glitching, shutting down, etc)... is there a fix to this or would I definitely be hardware ?
 

MrGunnyPT

macrumors 65816
Mar 23, 2017
1,313
804
ok so I have come up with the conclusion that when my MacBook is on charge it works normally but after being unplugged for about 20 minutes it starts having a massive fit (lagging, glitching, shutting down, etc)... is there a fix to this or would I definitely be hardware ?

Can you use Intel Power Gadget tool to see how the iGPU is behaving? Attach some print screens pls
 

Hiredgoon6

macrumors member
Jan 21, 2019
40
28
I have this issue as well on base 16". The cursor freezes for 0.5-1 seconds and jumps to "catch up". I thought it was a trackpad issue at first but this happens with a mouse too. Have tried SMC, PRAM, VRAM resets and clean install. Nothing has worked.

I'm currently testing out gfxcardstatus to disable graphics switching.
 

PyerCoffin

macrumors newbie
Jan 20, 2020
19
5
I have this issue as well on base 16". The cursor freezes for 0.5-1 seconds and jumps to "catch up". I thought it was a trackpad issue at first but this happens with a mouse too. Have tried SMC, PRAM, VRAM resets and clean install. Nothing has worked.

I'm currently testing out gfxcardstatus to disable graphics switching.
Do you have Wacom drivers installed? Do you you use BetterTouchtool?
 

Hiredgoon6

macrumors member
Jan 21, 2019
40
28
Do you have Wacom drivers installed? Do you you use BetterTouchtool?

Nope, none of those installed. I don't think this is related to 3rd party software. I noticed the stutters immediately after a complete wipe and reinstall before I downloaded any 3rd party software. I was just setting up email accounts and system preferences and the cursor freezing appeared within minutes.
 

involuntarheely

macrumors regular
Jul 28, 2019
126
140
I have this issue as well on base 16". The cursor freezes for 0.5-1 seconds and jumps to "catch up". I thought it was a trackpad issue at first but this happens with a mouse too. Have tried SMC, PRAM, VRAM resets and clean install. Nothing has worked.

I'm currently testing out gfxcardstatus to disable graphics switching.

I'm experiencing trackpad occasional lags and using gfxCardStatus v2.4.4i did not help (it's the version on github that can also lock to integrated graphics only)
 

kravc

macrumors newbie
Mar 16, 2020
2
0
After reading messages above, tested with/out power adaptor plugged in. Seems like lag is happening when laptop runs on battery, which is my main use case throughout the day. No custom drivers installed. Lag happens with trackpad as well as with magic mouse.
 

Hiredgoon6

macrumors member
Jan 21, 2019
40
28
After a few days testing with gfxCardStatus v2.3, disabling graphics switching and running on discrete GPU resolves the issue. Micro stutters still present if locked to integrated GPU. Looks like driver bug with intel graphics.
 

yindrameansu

macrumors newbie
Jun 4, 2020
8
0
Hey guys, June 4th, new MBP16 top end 32GB RAM here.

Exactly same issues. Fresh start no backup and I instantly noticed this lag in general system when dragging windows, typing and changing window sizes (specially 3rd party browsers like Brave).

I know it's subtle, but I come from my high end iMac 27" 2017 and SSD+10GB RAM MBP 2012 and they work SO much more fluid. I am getting so stressed.

I locked the Dedicated GPU with gfxCardstatus and disabled font Smoothing. I am using external keyboard and Magicmouse2. And for me, the issues are still here. It is unacceptable for the price tag, this being my most expensive computer ever.

Do we all have Adobe Creative Cloud apps installed? Could this be the issue? I honestly don't want to stay on the dedicaded Graphics on battery forever.

Thanks for each your updates!
 

Malfouf

macrumors newbie
Dec 17, 2019
3
1
Hey guys, June 4th, new MBP16 top end 32GB RAM here.

Exactly same issues. Fresh start no backup and I instantly noticed this lag in general system when dragging windows, typing and changing window sizes (specially 3rd party browsers like Brave).

I know it's subtle, but I come from my high end iMac 27" 2017 and SSD+10GB RAM MBP 2012 and they work SO much more fluid. I am getting so stressed.

I locked the Dedicated GPU with gfxCardstatus and disabled font Smoothing. I am using external keyboard and Magicmouse2. And for me, the issues are still here. It is unacceptable for the price tag, this being my most expensive computer ever.

Do we all have Adobe Creative Cloud apps installed? Could this be the issue? I honestly don't want to stay on the dedicaded Graphics on battery forever.

Thanks for each your updates!
It is not Adobe Creative Cloud. I don't have it, never had, and unfortunately had this problem since I bought the computer many months ago.
 

leman

macrumors Core
Oct 14, 2008
19,530
19,708
I notice input lag on certain websites when using Safari. To those of you who experience typing lag — is it in when using the browser or do you also get it in office applications?
 
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