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What type of Macbook are you using?


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dmnc

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Sep 26, 2015
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Is there any difference between the last beta and 10.11.5 final? (Driver version, build number, etc)
 

Antonnn

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Original poster
Mar 25, 2016
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I updated to 10.11.5 and I have bad news for you.... Freezing in safari!!, even worse when they are forced to restart , even stuck on the login screen! 10.11.5 do not fix it!! (Macbook Pro 13 retina, mid 2014)

Keep in mind this issue has it's own specifics, "freezing computer" is very easy to misinterpret, and there are tons and tons of freezing issues. It is partially my fault because I didn't phrase this better but I was in the same boat as you when I posted and I thought I'm the only one
For detailed info about this specific issue go to the first post in this thread and watch the videos as well.

Everyone that still has freezing issues not solved in this update reinstall a fresh copy of OS X (without restoring from a backup, a fresh copy with the bare minimum as this is exactly what apple support will tell you to do at one point). If that doesn't fix it, contact apple support, make a genius bar appointment, or start your own thread(or keep posting here although this only dilutes this thread further and no one is able to keep track of stuff anymore since a lot of you have different issues, this wouldn't even be allowed on other forums as the mods would consider that as thread hijack or offtopic).


For everyone that has the macbooks with this specific issue, especially the rMBP 13 2015, update to 10.11.5 (don't forget to make backups first)
This should fix the issue as it was fixed for me in 10.11.5 beta 4, the subsequent public release of 10.11.5 has to include everything from the beta, unless my macbook is a unicorn and healed itself.

Good luck and post the results, unfortunately apple decided to stay quiet on the issue, I don't see any notes pertaining to the fix in the changelog, sucks for them.

For the more sensitive people, I'm not selfish and care for only my fix, I would have long ditched this thread as soon as my issue was fixed, I'm just trying to help out so you don't waste your time as we all did here, some of us for 3 months.
 
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reyi

macrumors newbie
Apr 22, 2016
13
1
Keep in mind this issue has it's own specifics, "freezing computer" is very easy to misinterpret, and there are tons and tons of freezing issues.
For detailed info about this specific issue go to the first post in this thread and watch the videos as well.

Everyone that still has freezing issues not solved in this update reinstall a fresh copy of OS X (without restoring from a backup, a fresh copy with the bare minimum as this is exactly what apple support will tell you to do at one point). If that doesn't fix it, contact apple support, make a genius bar appointment, or start your own thread(or keep posting here although this only dilutes the thread and no one is able to keep track of stuff anymore since a lot of you have different issues).


For everyone that has the macbooks with this specific issue, especially the rMBP 13 2015, update to 10.11.5 (don't forget to make backups)
This should fix the issue as it was fixed for me in 10.11.5 beta 4, the subsequent public release of 10.11.5 has to include everything from the beta.

Good luck and post the results.

For the more sensitive people, I'm not trying to be selfish, I would have long ditched this thread as soon as my issue was fixed.
I can agree that 10.11.5 Beta4 has solved freezing issue (and hope 10.11.5 does too) :)
 
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MrNomNoms

macrumors 65816
Jan 25, 2011
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Keep in mind this issue has it's own specifics, "freezing computer" is very easy to misinterpret, and there are tons and tons of freezing issues. It is partially my fault because I didn't phrase this better but I was in the same boat as you when I posted and I thought I'm the only one
For detailed info about this specific issue go to the first post in this thread and watch the videos as well.

Everyone that still has freezing issues not solved in this update reinstall a fresh copy of OS X (without restoring from a backup, a fresh copy with the bare minimum as this is exactly what apple support will tell you to do at one point). If that doesn't fix it, contact apple support, make a genius bar appointment, or start your own thread(or keep posting here although this only dilutes this thread further and no one is able to keep track of stuff anymore since a lot of you have different issues, this wouldn't even be allowed on other forums as the mods would consider that as thread hijack or offtopic).

For everyone that has the macbooks with this specific issue, especially the rMBP 13 2015, update to 10.11.5 (don't forget to make backups first)
This should fix the issue as it was fixed for me in 10.11.5 beta 4, the subsequent public release of 10.11.5 has to include everything from the beta, unless my macbook is a unicorn and healed itself.

Good luck and post the results, unfortunately apple decided to stay quiet on the issue, I don't see any notes pertaining to the fix in the changelog, sucks for them.

For the more sensitive people, I'm not selfish and care for only my fix, I would have long ditched this thread as soon as my issue was fixed, I'm just trying to help out so you don't waste your time as we all did here, some of us for 3 months.

When I purchased the first generation of MacBook Pro with force touch I had one freeze (random one at that) but other than that it was rock solid but when 10.11.4 came out the freeze came down to HTML5 video or Flash being used which went back to the hardware acceleration framework (the same freezing would occur on Chrome when playing a Flash video but it could be avoided by going into Flash settings and disable hardware acceleration). The biggest issue for me isn't the fact that there was a bug given that we're talking about fallible beings maintaining a large and complex code base but the complete lack of ownership of the problem by Apple when this issue was widely reported over various websites not to mention the media blackout by Macrumors and the editors failure to cover the issue up until recently - reporting on Apple news shouldn't just be about celebrating achievements but also calling out when Apple does slip up and fails to live up to its own high standards.
 

DJEmergency

macrumors regular
Nov 4, 2011
100
4
I'm on a Late 2013 MacBook Pro Retina and had the freezing issue since I've updated to El Capitan. I've only noticed it freezing when I'm on a video website like YouTube and I try to switch tabs or closing out the tab with the video in it. I don't have flash installed so I'm sure it's not flash.. The mouse can move but it's a frozen screen.
 

Dr. James

macrumors member
Nov 17, 2012
99
88
Ecuador
In today's changelog (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206567), there are a lot of things referring to changes in the graphics memory management. Perhaps some of those changes fixes things?

Specifically:

Intel Graphics Driver

Available for: OS X El Capitan v10.11 and later

Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges

Description: A buffer overflow was addressed through improved bounds checking.

CVE-ID

CVE-2016-1812 : Juwei Lin of TrendMicro

AppleGraphicsControl

Available for: OS X El Capitan v10.11 and later

Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges

Description: A null pointer dereference was addressed through improved validation.

CVE-ID

CVE-2016-1793 : Ian Beer of Google Project Zero

CVE-2016-1794 : Ian Beer of Google Project Zero
 
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appleofmy"i"

macrumors regular
Feb 2, 2010
174
57
"freezing computer" is very easy to misinterpret

Yeah I think a lot of people have misunderstood the original issue. I've gotten a lot of flack on youtube for not understand that "computers sometimes freeze and that's part of life". Well I hope this update fixes it so we can all move on.
 
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stylobil

macrumors newbie
Apr 28, 2016
3
1
In today's changelog (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206567), there are a lot of things referring to changes in the graphics memory management. Perhaps some of those changes fixes things?

Specifically:

Intel Graphics Driver

Available for: OS X El Capitan v10.11 and later

Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges

Description: A buffer overflow was addressed through improved bounds checking.

CVE-ID

CVE-2016-1812 : Juwei Lin of TrendMicro

AppleGraphicsControl

Available for: OS X El Capitan v10.11 and later

Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges

Description: A null pointer dereference was addressed through improved validation.

CVE-ID

CVE-2016-1793 : Ian Beer of Google Project Zero

CVE-2016-1794 : Ian Beer of Google Project Zero

These are security related fixes, not stability ones.
 

adrianjmf

macrumors newbie
May 17, 2016
1
0
Melbourne, Australia
I was having the Safari freezing problem on my early 2015 Retina Macbook Pro 13" too. Since updating to 10.11.5, so far I've had no more freezes. Will keep monitoring, but fingers crossed!
 
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TomSonik

macrumors newbie
May 15, 2016
6
0
Germany
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dmnc

macrumors 6502
Sep 26, 2015
294
188
Installed 10.11.5 and no freezes so far. Let's expect it to keep going like this.
 

mb3152

macrumors member
Sep 19, 2014
46
16
I had troubles on two of my iMacs.

One actually needed a new logic board and I used it for a week after it was replaced with 10.11.4 with no freezes. After upgrading to 10.11.5 the second it came out and using my computer non-stop since, no issues.

My lab computer was not crashing as bad as my other computer above, but still froze occasionally and seemed to be having the problem most people here described. After upgrading to 10.11.5 this morning and using my computer in situations where it previously froze (iTunes, Terminal, X11, Photoshop, and Safari at the same time), no issues.

I think Apple fixed it.
 

MrNomNoms

macrumors 65816
Jan 25, 2011
1,159
296
Wellington, New Zealand
I'm on a Late 2013 MacBook Pro Retina and had the freezing issue since I've updated to El Capitan. I've only noticed it freezing when I'm on a video website like YouTube and I try to switch tabs or closing out the tab with the video in it. I don't have flash installed so I'm sure it's not flash.. The mouse can move but it's a frozen screen.

As I noted before (in the post above yours), it has nothing to do with Flash per se but the underlying hardware acceleration frame work used for decoding with both the HTML5 video and Flash both tap into when decoding video. The one saving grace with Flash, if there is any, is the fact that you can at least disable hardware acceleration and you don't end up having issues but when it comes to HTML5 video there is no way to disable hardware acceleration.
 

ame8199

macrumors 6502
Apr 30, 2011
267
30
hmm interesting....random freezing on early 2015 11inch Macbook Air... Thought I was just crazy and trying to make it do too much
 

Negritude

macrumors 6502
Jul 14, 2011
297
199
Did anyone mention yet whether disabling hardware acceleration in Firefox/Chrome or WebGL in Safari made any difference with the widespread hanging/crashing/freezing problem?
 

vmachiel

macrumors 68000
Feb 15, 2011
1,776
1,442
Holland
Did anyone mention yet whether disabling hardware acceleration in Firefox/Chrome or WebGL in Safari made any difference with the widespread hanging/crashing/freezing problem?
I tried it didn't help. The problem was with the graphic's drivers getting stuck in a wake-up loop, not a particular web browser. I think 10.11.5 fixed it, I haven't had any crashes so far.
 

Negritude

macrumors 6502
Jul 14, 2011
297
199
I tried it didn't help. The problem was with the graphic's drivers getting stuck in a wake-up loop, not a particular web browser. I think 10.11.5 fixed it, I haven't had any crashes so far.

Right, I know it wasn't specific to a browser, it was a graphics driver/framework bug, which is something that tends to get stressed by the hardware acceleration routines in ALL browsers. In other words, the point was to not "poke the bear", by turning off hardware acceleration.

But anyway, glad that it's fixed for you.
 
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