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Macbook Pro M1 disappointment.. Is it really fast ?!?
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I've been reading this thread and it looks like some people have this issue and others don't. I have the exact same issue, Microsoft 365 Apps take too long to load, around 7 - 8 bounces. Has anyone found what might be the issue? Perhaps a Microsoft 365 Apps update or a MacOS Update.
I just checked on my M1 Mac and it took exactly eight bounces from a cold start for Word to open. I guess that’s like maybe two seconds. Now quitting Word and reopening didn’t even require one bounce so I guess it saves it in some sort of cache. So basically if you rarely use Word then you have to wait two seconds for it to open but if it’s something you actually use it opens pretty much instantly.
Why restart your machine at all? There is no need except for updates.
I'm with you on this. macOS is Unix and, as such, my computer runs 24/7, almost. Reboots are rare and I don't think I've ever worried about bouncing app icons, even in the 10.1 days. People counting icon bounces have too much free time on their hands.
The truest test of my M1 MBA is not the number of icon bounces in the rare instance an app needs to cold open. The truest test is when I have to use something else for a while.
SO SLOW. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SO SLOW!
SO SLOW. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SO SLOW!
I find that hard to believe, my 3570K still opens apps quicker then a macbook from last year.
Pc is winning for a long time now, Apple knows they are behind (thats why the M1 exists)
Stop defending, if a brand new cpu takes longer to fire up apps then a 7 year old cpu, then that's bad!
90% of the people shut down their laptops in this day and age? I think you might be off by at least an order of magnitude. I am fairly certain most folks out there will just close their lid and not bother with it further.
I do, but you will be amazed how many are still old fashion about it.
My Windows machines all run for days.
Older hardware is capable to do it, so new should for sure.
Thing is every M1 buyer is a beta tester now, with a silicon lottery that's all around the place atm.
You are comparing different hardware on different operating systems with different apps.
Does this make any sense?
If you take just benchmarks it paints a clear picture: M1 wins by a mile.
Doesn't mean that using your M1 in some situations it's slower.
Perhaps Windows Office runs faster on a slower machine than MacOS Office on a M1.
Well, if one is stuck in a workflow of the nineties and is already willing to inconvenience themselves by waiting additional minute or so to turn the computer on and off, I am sure they won't mind waiting another 3-5 seconds for an application start. With how these new Macs are optimized for quick resume from sleep, turning them off does not make any sense. I hope that people are not turning their phone on and off after each call.
This has nothing to do with the hardware, it's how macOS operates. App bundles are validated on first cold start and the results of the validation are cached. I suppose that they could preserve the caches across bots, but I suspect this would have security implications.
At any rate, I don't see any reasons for Apple to dedicate resources (and weaken their security model in the process) just to address the impatience of some folks that insist of using these machines in a way they are not intended to be used.
With M1 true, but all the intel based ones that's x86 so yes it makes sense.
And yes testing on mac with Windows on it and yes I tested hackingtosh etc.
The hackingtosh with 3th gen won vs 7th gen mac.
And sure benchmarks will destroy it, also I'm not saying M1 is bad, I'm excited for Apple ARM.
Only thing I'm saying, newer cpu's in mac platforms have always done worse then most cpu's on a "normal" machine.
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Man where you get the minute startup time from? You use a Mac?
My desktop start's up in 5 seconds, fully loaded into windows. (remember 3570K...)
"This has nothing to do with the hardware, it's how macOS operates. App bundles are validated"
Doesn't take away mac os is faster on a hackingtosh...
"in a way they are not intended to be used"
Typical sentence for a mac user...
I use my machine the way I want, not the way some company dictates
PS: Windows validates them to...
Man where you get the minute startup time from? You use a Mac?
It's the difference between the time needed to close and open the lid and the time needed to click the "shut down" item, wait for all apps to quit, the machine to shut down, close the lid, open the lid and wait for the machine to boot to a useable state. Actually, it will take longer than a minute for an average user since they have to answer all the application prompts.
That's great! Sounds like you have a system that supports your workflow of "I like to shut my machine down for no reason" fairly well. What does this have to do with Macs?
You are free to use your machine in any way you want. This does not make you entitled to have first-class support of your use case. Just as you are free in choosing how to use a product, Apple is free in choosing how to developer their products.
I know it's the difference, Apple software is just slow.
Has nothing to do with use case if you are happy paying big money for something that could be better, doen't have to mean that I need to be happy with it ...
Apple is famous for misleading it's users, os where you can't login without a mouse, shipping products with the same hardware flaws (with many years between them) (even some engineering disasters), etc
That is not true. A Razer Blade 14 is faster than the M1 MBP in multiscore performance and it can be equiped with a RTX 3080, while having a similar size.
I don’t have any complaints about the app launch performance. But I also don’t care about cold boot case. There are a lot of things that could be “better”. Does not mean they justify the effort.
Razer Blade 14 is larger, more expensive, much heavier (especially with the power adapter), has a poor display image quality, no high-speed connectivity, and battery runtime that’s 3 times shorter. It’s a great gaming laptop, but it’s also occupies a very different product niche. I am not quite sure why Razer Blade 14 is mentioned this frequently as a positive example to be honest, these comparisons serve no practical purpose.
I have a small problem but annoying , have set to auto show and hide the dock, but randomly when i move the pointer control the dock is not showing, the dock is on the right side of the screen.
Thing is it doen't take much effort
But ofc they think they did allot of effort optimizing the animations on iphone (couple years ago) engineers worked hard on it was what they said on their event.
Reallity they changed a 1 to 0.8
About Razer, true!
Razer products are the worst comparrison, when talking failure rates they lead the space
Hahahaha, I was looking at one of those recently. So Razer and it's terrible support (and it is bad--check out reddit), SOME throttling (it has gotten better), and the price tag is around $2800 US. So about 3 M1 MBAs...seems a great comparison.
Oh and the framerates on the thing are nerfed compared to a 3080 desktop. So........I'll just take a gaming desktop and an M1 Macbook Air for about the same price.
EDITED TO ADD: Look, if you want actual performance, check out the Legion line from Lenovo. Of course you have to trust Lenovo (A Chinese company) hasn't put any more spyware chips in the system and try getting one in the first place--months out.
Let’s look at the same specs before making claims.
The base Razer Blade 14 (with the RTX 3060) = $1799
M1 13” MBP (16GB RAM + 1TB SDD) = $1899
So the Razer Blade 14” is cheaper.
And the Razer Blade 14 does not throttle at all. This is the AMD based laptop.
And don’t get hung up on the “gaming” part. It supports CUDA which can be used for scientific computing, which cannot be done on the 13” M1 MBP. Also it has alot more ports.
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You don't have to wait to close the lid, you can close it right away, but anyway, why close the lid? I don't normally do that if it's sitting on a desk. As for shutting down every night on laptops, people that use a desktop too, or came from a desktop, they do tend to do a full shutdown every night. And desktop users, a lot of them do even though I tell them not to. Enough hardware has trouble with sleep states, especially USB connected hardware -- even on the M1, that it's not such a bad thing to just do a shutdown rather than discovering something didn't come out of sleep right. My USB Nic sometimes doesn't wake up properly on my MBA.
It is not that simple. Check out the baseline specs—not the high end specs. Also check out razer’s qc issues. But hey roll the dice. Like I said, I would go with Lenovo honestly if I was going to go with a gaming laptop. The ports thing is legitimate. I definitely agree, but Lenovo has those as well and they don’t get as hot.
The display also sucks by comparison at only 1080p…