Macbook Pro M1 disappointment.. Is it really fast ?!?

[Maconplasma]

I just tried again. Same result, Safari opened at the 3rd bounce.

Then there's something going on with your setup because I've always gotten only one bounce when launching Safari from a cold boot.

 

[LFC2020]

Then there's something going on with your setup because I've always gotten only one bounce when launching Safari from a cold boot.

Same here, safari opens with one bounce every time.

 

[theSeb]

VLC player is a fully native M1 app (I just confirmed this with Go64), I had it open earlier today but I just opened it again and it bounced twelve times in the dock of my 8/8/16 M1 MBA.
Twelve.
I closed it and reopened it and it opened in less than a single bounce.
Why should that take twelve bounces to open?

When you opened it again it's likely that MacOS was phoning home to check the developer's certificate. Second time, the call to do this was still locally cached. Also, all of the files that the app reads (preferences, libraries etc) during start up would have been in cache.

 

[theSeb]

I just rebooted and tried some apps:

Safari opened instantly.

Word 6 bounces which is meaningless. You do know that in all likelihood Word is syncing with OneDrive especially if you have been saving to OneDrive.

Slack is instantaneous.

And I am using the base model MBA.

Really people, there is no logical reason to be full rebooting Macs. MacOS (formerly OSX) was always designed to be always on.

People who constantly reboot their computers, or use those pointless "free my memory" apps that were so popular on this forum a few years ago have always confused me. You are only working against the operating system by doing this.

 

[Mr.Blacky]

I have an easy solution for all this "bouncing problem":
Turn of bouncing in "System Preferences". ?‍♂️

 

[Mr.Blacky]

I see your point, and you're absolutely right. Launching applications after a cold start takes longer than expected. However, I fail to see the use case. Modern computers, be it a Windows or macOS laptop, are not designed to be rebooted every day but rather put to sleep instead ?‍♀️

I don't use my computer 24/7, so I turn it off completely after using it. Don't see any point in wasting energy for absolutely no reason.

 

[leman]

I don't use my computer 24/7, so I turn it off completely after using it. Don't see any point in wasting energy for absolutely no reason.

You are not wasting any energy. Power draw during deep hibernation is essentially identical to the powered off state. In fact, you are probably wasting more energy during the power-up cycle.

Turning off a modern Mac every day is like putting a car in cold storage every night. I mean, I remember my father disconnecting the battery and oiling the parts every evening on our old Soviet ZAZ Zaporozhets (if you didn’t, that heap of junk would be dead in the morning), but that is thankfully not nessedsry with modern technology.

 

[darknetone]

I have had my M1 MBP 16GB RAM for a couple of weeks and office 2019 is snappy on first open and on subsequent opens, (Word and Excel) I am using the universal binaries. I also run some specialized software, but it is already m1 native. So far the M1 is the fastest Mac I have ever used.

I know the photoshop users are quite happy as are many others. One thing you should understand is that a lot of Rosetta apps are still faster than when running directaly on intel, and some are not which is pretty amazing in its self. Rest assured we will see more M1 universal and native apps as we move forward with the M1 (and variants). Patience we will get there. In the mean time there are other benefits to the new macs.

 

[Mr.Blacky]

You are not wasting any energy. Power draw during deep hibernation is essentially identical to the powered off state. In fact, you are probably wasting more energy during the power-up cycle.

Turning off a modern Mac every day is like putting a car in cold storage every night. I mean, I remember my father disconnecting the battery and oiling the parts every evening on our old Soviet ZAZ Zaporozhets (if you didn’t, that heap of junk would be dead in the morning), but that is thankfully not nessedsry with modern technology.

This may be correct, but:
1. I have a late 2009 iMac (not exactly "modern") and...
2. I have one of those power strips, where you can switch on/off the power. So my Mac is (or should be) really off.

 

[leman]

This may be correct, but:
1. I have a late 2009 iMac (not exactly "modern") and...
2. I have one of those power strips, where you can switch on/off the power. So my Mac is (or should be) really off.

Ah, well, sure. My comments were more about the M1 Macs.

 

[mj_]

Letting the 2010 iMac sleep for a full year instead of powering it off and physically disconnecting it from mains will cost you a breathtaking 3.78€ (provided that you pay 0.3€ per kWh) per year. Letting the 2020 Mac Mini M1 sleep for a full year instead of powering it off will set you back 1.63€ per year. Powering the MacBook Pro M1 off instead of letting it sleep will save up to 0.31€ per calendar year. If you disconnect the battery everytime you power it off you might even be able to save up to 0.42€ per year, although one would have to factor the battery's self-discharge rate into that equation as well, which would reduce savings by approximately 5-10 cents p.a. further complicating things.

So, yeah. It may have made sense in the past to power computers off at the end of the day, particularly back when they weren't in use every single day. These days with modern technology it's just not worth the hassle anymore

 

[leman]

Letting the 2010 iMac sleep for a full year instead of powering it off and physically disconnecting it from mains will cost you a breathtaking 3.78€ (provided that you pay 0.3€ per kWh) per year. Letting the 2020 Mac Mini M1 sleep for a full year instead of powering it off will set you back 1.63€ per year. Powering the MacBook Pro M1off instead of letting it sleep will save up to 0.31€ per calendar year. If you disconnect the battery everytime you power it off you might even be able to save up to 0.42€ per year, although one would have to factor the battery's self-discharge rate into that equation as well, which would reduce savings by approximately 5-10 cents p.a. further complicating things.

Let’s also not forget that booting a computer costs more energy than resuming from hibernation. It’s not much, but you’d probably accumulate the 3 euros over the year if you do it daily

 

[Spudlicious]

It's not better at sustained bandwidth, and that is known fairly well. Even HFS+ manages to outperform it in synthetic benchmarks. Not that it means anything in real world.



Sorry, but who cares about boot times? These machines are designed to be always on. And the 30 seconds of boot when you have to surely won't kill you.

Besides, who says that the regression in boot time you observe is due to APFS? There are a lot of things happening during boot, any any of them could affect the overall time. For example, folks like to compare the boot time of Windows and macOS (Windows is undeniably faster), but they disregard the fact that macOS shows you the desktop after all services and standard apps have launched while Windows first shows you the desktop and then starts launching stuff. If you time the process until you get a fully usable, completely load system, Windows takes almost twice as long...



Sure you did (provided you use an SSD of course). More effective disk space usage, faster indexing, better security, more reliable backups, more responsive filesystem. HFS+ was a ticking time bomb.

That caught my eye. Who says they're designed to be always on? I know they are always on, or they wouldn't know you've opened the lid or pressed the power button. But I've always Shut Down my laptops before closing the lid, and still do. Because I always put laptops in a zip-up case I have primitive concerns about heat building up, fire paranoia is one of my things. They all boot pretty quick these days, although the M1 Mac is not as fast booting as some recent Windows machines I've seen. When I got my 2015 MPB it slaughtered anything else I could compare it with for boot time, but Apple have put the brakes on since then. Doesn't really matter.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

That caught my eye. Who says they're designed to be always on? I know they are always on, or they wouldn't know you've opened the lid or pressed the power button. But I've always Shut Down my laptops before closing the lid, and still do. Because I always put laptops in a zip-up case I have primitive concerns about heat building up, fire paranoia is one of my things. They all boot pretty quick these days, although the M1 Mac is not as fast booting as some recent Windows machines I've seen. When I got my 2015 MPB it slaughtered anything else I could compare it with for boot time, but Apple have put the brakes on since then. Doesn't really matter.

Macs have always been really good at coming out of sleep mode, and with the M1 Macs, it is instant. With Wake features, it will even download all your email and update while still remaining in sleep mode.

 

[leman]

That caught my eye. Who says they're designed to be always on?

Apple has invested significant amount fo engineering (both hardware and software) to reduce the wakeup time to essentially zero. This was clearly one of the design goals for Apple Silicon machines. If that is not an indication, I don't know what is.

I know they are always on, or they wouldn't know you've opened the lid or pressed the power button. But I've always Shut Down my laptops before closing the lid, and still do. Because I always put laptops in a zip-up case I have primitive concerns about heat building up, fire paranoia is one of my things.

You are obviously entitled to adopt any workflow you find comfortable and comforting. Just keep in mind that shutting down the laptop like that comes with many objective disadvantages and only few objective advantages.

They all boot pretty quick these days, although the M1 Mac is not as fast booting as some recent Windows machines I've seen. When I got my 2015 MPB it slaughtered anything else I could compare it with for boot time, but Apple have put the brakes on since then. Doesn't really matter.

As I wrote before, Windows appears faster because it shows the desktop before the services start, macOS only shows the desktop after all the essential services have started. With Windows, you usually have to wait another 10-20 seconds until you can actually use the machine, a Mac is available to use immediately after you are logged in.

 

[mi7chy]

As I wrote before, Windows appears faster because it shows the desktop before the services start, macOS only shows the desktop after all the essential services have started. With Windows, you usually have to wait another 10-20 seconds until you can actually use the machine, a Mac is available to use immediately after you are logged in.

Amount of BS is over the top.

It takes 12 seconds on a $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 to boot up and log into Windows 10 with fingerprint and two seconds to launch Chrome.

Compared to 26 seconds for MBA M1 (20 seconds to be able to input password plus about 6 seconds to type in password) since not all the services are running at login such as no fingerprint authentication, no touch to click or double-touch to hold drag, etc. and 9 seconds to launch Chrome the first time but does launch faster after it's cached in memory (yet another reason to get 16GB vs 8GB).

M1 storage is even slower than cheap $80 Android tablet with eMMC that takes 3 seconds to launch Chrome.

 

[CheesePuff]

Amount of BS is over the top.

It takes 12 seconds on a $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 to boot up and log into Windows 10 with fingerprint and two seconds to launch Chrome.

Compared to 26 seconds for MBA M1 (20 seconds to be able to input password plus about 6 seconds to type in password) since not all the services are running at login such as no fingerprint authentication, no touch to click or double-touch to hold drag, etc. and 9 seconds to launch Chrome the first time but does launch faster after it's cached in memory (yet another reason to get 16GB vs 8GB).

M1 storage is even slower than cheap $80 Android tablet with eMMC that takes 3 seconds to launch Chrome.

Please show that $80 Android tablet that gets 3.3 GB/sec read speeds on its eMMCC storage.

 

[Eric Rathhaus]

I definitely have the opposite experience to you with my M1 Macbook Air. I have MS Office which I use a lot, Capture One and Affinity Photo and everything launches quickly (much quicker than my i5 MBP). All of those apps are native bar Capture One.

Maybe you were expecting a night and day difference in app opening times? I'm sat here on a Windows Computer with a decent processor and SSD and it is painfully slow in comparison to my Mac.

So you're able to run MS office on an M1? What are u using to get it done?

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Please show that $80 Android tablet that gets 3.3 GB/sec read speeds on its eMMCC storage.

Amount of BS is over the top.

It takes 12 seconds on a $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 to boot up and log into Windows 10 with fingerprint and two seconds to launch Chrome.

Compared to 26 seconds for MBA M1 (20 seconds to be able to input password plus about 6 seconds to type in password) since not all the services are running at login such as no fingerprint authentication, no touch to click or double-touch to hold drag, etc. and 9 seconds to launch Chrome the first time but does launch faster after it's cached in memory (yet another reason to get 16GB vs 8GB).

M1 storage is even slower than cheap $80 Android tablet with eMMC that takes 3 seconds to launch Chrome.

I just tested this and found some interesting results. It appears that you are somewhat correct in the fact that it does appear to take longer to start an M1 MBA than my 2019 i7 16GB Dell G7 7790 laptop.

I should also point out that it took a full minute for everything to finally load on the Dell--even though it let me in at 12 seconds.

However, that is where it all falls apart. My M1 is way faster to open firefox, open affinity photo, open Scrivener, and MS Code. They are all faster to work with and use in Apple also. So.... ?‍♂️

 

[eltoslightfoot]

So you're able to run MS office on an M1? What are u using to get it done?

I loaded them right out of the app store?

 

[russell_314]

Maybe it's just because I basically never ever reboot, but even on my 2014 and 2011 machines I don't think I've ever had more than 3-4 bounces before something started happening

This. Why would you reboot every day. Occasionally rebooting is good but every day it’s just silly.

Also do people really count the bounces? I usually open the application and use it ???

 

[leman]

Amount of BS is over the top.

It takes 12 seconds on a $500 Lenovo Yoga 6 to boot up and log into Windows 10 with fingerprint and two seconds to launch Chrome.

Compared to 26 seconds for MBA M1 (20 seconds to be able to input password plus about 6 seconds to type in password) since not all the services are running at login such as no fingerprint authentication, no touch to click or double-touch to hold drag, etc. and 9 seconds to launch Chrome the first time but does launch faster after it's cached in memory (yet another reason to get 16GB vs 8GB).

M1 storage is even slower than cheap $80 Android tablet with eMMC that takes 3 seconds to launch Chrome.

Why don't you also add the time it takes you to get the laptop out of your car?

In terms of pure boot speed between the two, Windows 10 is an absolute champion — if you compare "clean" boot, with no services or auto started apps. On a real-world installation, a Mac will have all the relevant apps open and ready to use before Win10 though.

 

[GumaRodak]

i have issue with some of the app launch time from app store on my intel...there is rumour, that the delay is caused with apple validating if the app is genuine...

 

[leman]

i have issue with some of the app launch time from app store on my intel...there is rumour, that the delay is caused with apple validating if the app is genuine...

It’s not really a rumour, current implementation of certificate validation can indeed cause delays. Apple already promised to rework the mechanism but it might take some time.

 

[aednichols]

I have trouble understanding why app launch performance after cold start is relevant in this age and day.

I kind of agree but this is also sort of a "holding it wrong" argument. Fast launches delight users, even if they're not something that happens regularly.

In terms of priorities, I do sympathize with engineers choosing to optimize runtime performance first, launch performance later.