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subjonas

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People do use the touch screens at times - and they may not even realise they are doing so.
I’m sure some use the touch screens, but anecdotally it seems to me most only use it occasionally and only because it’s there, but it’s not really missed when it’s gone, at least when using a MacBook which has a great trackpad.

Apple wants complementary products. So if an iPad could run for instance Office as well on an iPad as it runs on a MacBook, then Apple perceive that such an iPad would take sales from MacBooks. Apple though ignores getting sales from PC users who could give up a replacement convertible notebook and go for an iPad keyboard combination instead. They don't because the software lets them down. And when they look at a light MacBook, they're miss touch screens. Bemused they continue on with PCs.
I think some of iPad apps not being as functional as their Mac app counterparts is due to developers just not putting in the effort, and some due to limitations of the OS (I gave my reasons why I think the OS is limited, though some limitations can probably be mitigated), and some due to limitations of touch. I can’t remember if it was in this thread, but I gave reasons why I think touch is a limiting factor in feature-rich productivity apps and workflows.
I don’t know what the numbers are as far as people missing touch screens on their laptops and that being the main reason they stay with PC rather than Mac—I’d love to see those numbers—but anecdotally the people I know who use touch PCs don’t care about touch much at all. They use PCs for other reasons. Some care about pen input though. Touch is just a side benefit to them that they sometimes use. And as I alluded to in my previous post, the satisfaction rates of Macs/iPads suggest to me that is probably the case for most.

Look at some comparable packaging:

M4 11" & Keyboard: 2.3 lb
HP X360 Elitebook 12": 2.5 lb
Macbook Air 13": 2.7 lb
M4 13" & Keyboard: 2.8 lb
HP X360 Elitebook 13.3": 2.8 lb
M2 13" & Keyboard: 3.1 lb
Macbook Air 15": 3.3 lb

Those PC convertibles are competitive on weight. And they have 16 hour endurance, unlike Apple's 10 hours.
The convertible form factor of laptops such as the HP X360 Elitebook do offer touch and a comparable weight to an iPad + MK with better battery life (and of course full OS), but it sacrifices the portability of a thin light slate, which I think is something a lot of iPad users don’t want to give up for a device that they want to relax with. So I’m not sure it’s a great comparison.
If Apple made a convertible MacBook, I think it would be because they want to bring a pen to the Mac, in which case they might implement a limited version of touch, maybe just gestures. I doubt they would allow full touch with macOS unless they change the OS and apps to touch UI, but I don’t see that happening. And I don’t think Apple sees dual OS as a great UX for most of their customers.

Apple need to fully exploit the capabilities of the iPad, and they should be targeting PC users, not trying to force Apple users to buy a MacBook as well as an iPad. And if they force us to do that, people will likely buy a base model iPad and just use it for browsing. Why have a Pro when the base model does an almost identical job?

Lets also look at the option.

The pricing options:
Macbook Pro 16" 18/512 $2,499.00
Macbook Pro 14" 8/512 $1,599.00
Macbook Air 15" 8/256 $1,299.00
Macbook Air 15" 8/512 $1,499.00
M4 13" & Keyboard 8/256 $1,648.00
M4 13" & Keyboard 8/512 $1,848.00
iPad 10.9" 4/64 $349.00
Ipad Air M2 11" 8/128 $599.00

M4 13" with keyboard, 8/256 GB - $1,648
Macbook Air 15" 8/256M & iPad - $1,648
M4 13" with keyboard, 8/512 GB - $1,848
Macbook Air 15" 8/512 & iPad - $1,848
Macbook Pro 14" 8/512 & iPad for $1,948. An extra $100.

The costly iPads cannot compete with Windows or Mac OS for many popular applications ie even Office. If Apple competed with PCs with the iPad, they'd do better financially. Especially if one imagines the cross selling from new Ipad and keyboard combinations to watches and phones.
Apple isn’t forcing anyone to do anything. They try to entice people with really good range of products that cover most people’s situations. They’re not going to appeal to everyone, but they appeal to a lot, enough to make Apple very successful and most of their customers very happy. But there will always be some who aren’t. I‘m surely not happy with all their products. But this idea that Apple is artificially holding back the iPad only to get more Mac sales has major holes in it, which I’ve pointed out in this thread and others. It may be partially that, but there are enough logical reasons to believe there’s probably much more to it.
 

mlody

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Apple said themselves that the majority of Mac owners typically own an iPad too, and they use both devices.

That is what Apple wants you to think. Until iPad has a proper browser, it will always remain an overpriced and consumption device with some niche and edge use cases.
A proper browser is a gateway to computing these days and it is a shame that $2000 device does not offer that basic functionality. I don't want to be locked into using some stupid and childish apps for anything I would like to do on such expensive device. Apple - give iPad a proper desktop class browser and watch these things to fly off the shelfs.
 
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