couldn't we all basically get that same angle at some point since the earth is in constant circulation around the fun and in rotation too.
gekko513 said:Edit: I don't know how to explain so that you understand. Imagine that you're a moth circling around a lamp post on Long Island. Sometimes you see the New York city skyline, sometimes you don't because you're heading the other way or because the lamp post is in the way, but any time you see the city skyline it looks the same. It doesn't matter how much manouvering you do within 2 metres of the lamp post, the city skyline looks exactly the same. If you fly upside down, the skyline will look different, but if you rotate it in photoshop (or in your mind) you will discover that it's in fact the same skyline. No buildings are rearranged, no new towers hide other towers, no change at all as far as the moth is concerned.
Man, you sure are confident. I almost feel bad. Hey, -hh, how about posting the original, unedited photo?Josh said:Except that, unlike the buildings that adorn New York's skyline, stars are not stationairy objects.
They have their own orbits, they move along their own paths, and the galaxy they are in is even moving in its own orbit.
The fact of the matter, which you tirelessly (and foolishly) refute is this: stars do change positions in the sky based on the time of day and season.
Two people, at different locations on the earth, during different times of day, in different seasons of the year will not see the stars in the same, precise, positions.
A picture of the sky from 1 day will vary from one taken during another time/day/season. That is irrefutable.
The fact that every last star lines up in precisely the same photo from the one found on the net and the hoax posted here is proof enough it is a Photoshop job. Further, it has been mathematically proven that star positions vary and are not constant, and that it is statistically improbable two different photos from two different photographers will show the exact same stars at the exact same angle, in the exact same proportions and positions.
You'd think buying into the hoax would be foolish enough, but now you're refuting proven science. This has reached a level of absurdity I've never encountered before....
Debate it until you're blue in the face, the facts are posted above and I've backed up every single one of my claims and have countered every bit of this nonsense - as far as I am concerned, there is nothing further to discuss.
Josh said:The fact that every last star lines up in precisely the same photo from the one found on the net and the hoax posted here is proof enough it is a Photoshop job.
Josh said:The big dipper or any other formation will change over the night and extremely over the seasons (winter and summer being the extremes). The stars that form them change positions relative to an earth-based observer. You can expect to see a similar formation through one night or one season, but different hemispheres and different times at different seasons will see it drastically different.
Mr. Anderson said:Their position in the sky will change, not their relationship to each other. You're not going to see a different shape - just a different section of the sky as the Earth rotates and travels around the sun.
The other stars are not orbiting our sun, they're all moving in different directions, but being so far away, the change in position from year to year is so small it takes centuries and millennia to notice any difference in the "shape" of constellations.
I'm going to have to take a pic of the Milkyway one night with my wide angle lens when its clear....
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Well, I was outside of the city on the weekend and looked up and saw the light banding that is the Milky Way passing through Cygnus, as it always does. But the last time (and first, really) that I saw the Milky Way (in more detail than I had ever imagined possible to the naked eye) was just over a month ago in Rico, CO. I had never seen such a brilliant night sky.-hh said:When was the last time you saw the Milky Way?
Josh said:Cool image, but it isn't real.
For one, Earth is inside the Milky Way, and the only way to capture it as you say you've done is to be from an angle outside of it.
Being inside of the galaxy, all you're going to see looking out is a thin band, nothing like your photoshob job.
Secondly, the only galaxy one might see in a similar light as the one above is Andromeda which is often confused for the Milky Way.
The problem however is that Andromeda is only visable from the Northern Hemisphere - a place where Tanzania is not located.
Nice try, though.
... Due to the Earth's 23-degree tilt, among other things.Josh said:The fact of the matter, which you tirelessly (and foolishly) refute is this: stars do change positions in the sky based on the time of day and season.
... Duh?Two people, at different locations on the earth, during different times of day, in different seasons of the year will not see the stars in the same, precise, positions.
... Again, duh?A picture of the sky from 1 day will vary from one taken during another time/day/season. That is irrefutable.
OK ... Two things.The fact that every last star lines up in precisely the same photo from the one found on the net and the hoax posted here is proof enough it is a Photoshop job.
What you're ignoring, in all of this jibber jabber, is that the movement of the Earth is negligible relative to the rest of the universe. One side of the Sun or the other, we're gonna see the same formations on a general basis.Further, it has been mathematically proven that star positions vary and are not constant, and that it is statistically improbable two different photos from two different photographers will show the exact same stars at the exact same angle, in the exact same proportions and positions.
Try this ... Fire up Photoshop and find some concrete (as in, not circumstantial) evidence that the photo is a fake. Laying a stock photo of stars over another photo of stars isn't gonna cut it because everyone who takes a picture of the Big Dipper is gonna get the same picture of the Big Dipper if rotating and scaling are options in your basis for comparison.You'd think buying into the hoax would be foolish enough, but now you're refuting proven science.
You don't even know how true that is.This has reached a level of absurdity I've never encountered before....
seenew said:Thanks for the lesson, haha. I know what our galaxy looks like, I just was not aware it was that easily visible from the ground, with this kind of equipment. Like Chip said, I would have expected star trails, but then again, I had to leave my shutter open for literally ten minutes to get inch-long trails last time I tried. I guess 3 seconds wouldn't show it too much..
Over Achiever said:I'm getting rusty on my astrophysics =)
Josh said:Cool image, but it isn't real.
For one, Earth is inside the Milky Way, and the only way to capture it as you say you've done is to be from an angle outside of it.
Being inside of the galaxy, all you're going to see looking out is a thin band, nothing like your photoshob job.
Josh said:Uh, yeah, they do.
The stars do not remain in the same positions relative to earth through all time. Their positions' change based on time of year and the time of the day.
I see others have already posted, but for the record I'd like to clarify my previous choice of words.Josh said:Except that, unlike the buildings that adorn New York's skyline, stars are not stationairy objects.
They have their own orbits, they move along their own paths, and the galaxy they are in is even moving in its own orbit.
The fact of the matter, which you tirelessly (and foolishly) refute is this: stars do change positions in the sky based on the time of day and season.
law guy said:This is one of the strangest things I have ever read. At first I didn't know whether to take the post seriously. Then I wondered how schools have failed us.
Josh said:And no, it will not remain the same. The big dipper or any other formation will change over the night and extremely over the seasons (winter and summer being the extremes). The stars that form them change positions relative to an earth-based observer. You can expect to see a similar formation through one night or one season, but different hemispheres and different times at different seasons will see it drastically different.
Rower_CPU said:It is a fact that stars are in motion, but the extreme distances make any perception of that motion here on earth detectable only with powerful equipment. To the naked eye, the Milky Way, constellations, etc. will appear almost identical from anywhere they are visible, regardless of the time of night. Their positions in the sky as it "rotates" overhead is all that changes.