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Finally a great comparison
Surprise: the iPad is (slightly) better for HDR content... but the Samsung can be better at night, especially as some viewing angles.
Speakers are very close (S7+ sounds a tiny bit fuller to me...)
 
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Hate the way Samsung calibrates their screens, way over saturated, not to true to life colours, cartoonish looking trash.
While I prefer the iPad calibration, the "cartoonish looking trash" is a subjective judgement that IMO is a huge exaggeration... For documents viewing, reading etc. iPad is better, but movies still look much better than on all the iPads that I have.
 
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The reviewer doesn't say where he has the ipad pro's brightness set at. Since Samsung doesn't want to say (on their website) how bright the S7+'s display is, one has to rely on reviews:

"We measured a very good (for an OLED) 388 nits of max brightness in our tests." https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s7_plus-review-2147p3.php

"What I mean by this is that the max brightness only goes up to 420 nits on the S7+, which on a monitor would be more than fine, but smaller devices needs to be brighter to achieve the same effect. The tab is perfectly ok when using it at night--with little lights on--but during the morning, noon, afternoon, even when I cranked it up to max brightness I still have trouble seeing my screen." Posted by u/tekreviews

"In terms of brightness, the Galaxy Tab S7 is rated for up to 500 nits of brightness, and we got incredibly close, with our colorimeter recording a max brightness of 499 nits. The 559-nit iPad Pro [2020 version] gets even brighter"
https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/samsung-galaxy-tab-s7


So if the new ipad pro maxes out at 600 nits for regular viewing, 1000 nits for full screen HDR and 1600 nits for peak brightness..........how come this guy's video is showing the Samsung as always brighter? Did the reviewer have the ipad's brightness on auto? Was he purposely setting the ipad's brightness lower?
 
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Would've been nice if he described why HDR is better since people can't see the difference without being there in person and only reinterpreted through their own display. Guessing he's referring to more punchier colors but then some people like LFC2020 will say it's cartoony.
 
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Enough with this already!!!

OLED just cant provide peak brightness like LED.

This is the reason you are not seeing OLED’s on iPads XDR or their Larger display.

Look at the Sony X90J OLED. They have to use a heat sync on the back of the display in order for it to push small bursts of 1100 nits. Its just not sustainable with OLED material in its current form.

This is why MiniLED is the big push as of late. Honestly, in the TV realm, its still not perfect and has some way to go. I own a LED FALD (Non MiniLED) Sony Z8H and prefer its 2500nits of peak brightness over my LG C9 OLED.

You have to pick your poison. I am happy Apple is using MiniLED as it is one of the biggest companies that may help improve its tech. (Certainly better than Samsung/TCL)

OLED is great in some way, but it’s certainly not “The BEST”. Just depends on what you value most.

Lastly, OLED has been implemented poorly on mobile devices with digital controllers. This is one of main the reasons for the massive PWM issue that plagues ALL mobile OLED devices.

If you don’t suffer from PWM eye strain, that’s great! Just know its not great for your eyes and chances are you might develop other side effects without notice.
 
Enough with this already!!!

OLED just cant provide peak brightness like LED.

This is the reason you are not seeing OLED’s on iPads XDR or their Larger display.

Look at the Sony X90J OLED. They have to use a heat sync on the back of the display in order for it to push small bursts of 1100 nits. Its just not sustainable with OLED material in its current form.

This is why MiniLED is the big push as of late. Honestly, in the TV realm, its still not perfect and has some way to go. I own a LED FALD (Non MiniLED) Sony Z8H and prefer its 2500nits of peak brightness over my LG C9 OLED.

You have to pick your poison. I am happy Apple is using MiniLED as it is one of the biggest companies that may help improve its tech. (Certainly better than Samsung/TCL)

OLED is great in some way, but it’s certainly not “The BEST”. Just depends on what you value most.

Lastly, OLED has been implemented poorly on mobile devices with digital controllers. This is one of main the reasons for the massive PWM issue that plagues ALL mobile OLED devices.

If you don’t suffer from PWM eye strain, that’s great! Just know its not great for your eyes and chances are you might develop other side effects without notice.
Your post contains several assumptions and personal opinions that you state as facts.
The reason Apple went with Miniled is just your assumption.
The Tab S7+ is very bright, some have measured the brightness to almost 600 nits and I see little difference in max brightness with my 11 pro. And even in this video, despite the much more reflective screen of the Samsung, you can see there is not much difference in brightness outdoor (the youtuber even thinks the Samsung is brighter, but I don't agree with him). I think brightness measurements vary because of the different technology of the screens.
I think that just like people should stop saying that OLED is better, people here should also stop saying that miniled is better.
They each have some pros and cons.
For some people the brightness on something like the Tab S7+ is plenty (I, for one, have never used the full brightness, while I very often need to use it on my, much less bright, 2015 iPad pro, which has 430 nits of measured brightness) and not everybody can see PWM.
For some instead, it's a deal breaker. Just as the blooming can be a deal breaker for some.
As for durability, the burn in issue worries are mainly based on older devices... My 2017 Galaxy S7, which I used till the end of 2019 and still have it, has never developed any burn it... Some people here talk as if burn-is is guaranteed to happen within a couple of years.
And nobody can tell the longevity of this mini-led display... or any new display (my IPS 10.5 iPad developed a ugly white spot and it's far from being the only one, who could predict that?).
I am glad Apple is trying a new technology with great contrast, and at some point I'll probably buy it, if the benefits seem to be more than the drawbacks and no new issues appear, but I am also glad I don't need to be a early tester, having already an Amoled device for videos that is probably just as good (maybe slightly better in some aspects and slightly worse in others).
 
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This is a moot comparison for ME since I have ZERO desire to own an android tablet.
 
I don't get the obsession with over brightness to the point where things are blown out and your eyes water. Even the leader of QLED TV, Samsung, which uses mini-LED FALD is adopting LG OLED panels for premium TV. And, LCD isn't immune to degradation since LEDs can wear or burn out leaving jail bars on edge lit (see image below). On FALD it'll be uneven darker areas vs more even wear with OLED so OLED is the lesser of two evils.

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Consumers want the best tech for their buck.

I feel Apple double dipped by charging more but not sourcing the best display available. Even if they don't go OLED for cost reason there are better LCD panels with less elevated black and without blooming. Under normal use I notice more elevated black on the MBA M1 LCD than Surface Pro X SQ2 LCD and obviously none on the Galaxy S7+ OLED. Here's an elevated black comparison at max brightness in nearly dark room (left to right S7+, SPX and MBA M1). Ignore the reflection on the middle screen. I'd be happy with middle LCD under normal use.

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Your post contains several assumptions and personal opinions that you state as facts.
The reason Apple went with Miniled is just your assumption.
The Tab S7+ is very bright, some have measured the brightness to almost 600 nits and I see little difference in max brightness with my 11 pro. And even in this video, despite the much more reflective screen of the Samsung, you can see there is not much difference in brightness outdoor (the youtuber even thinks the Samsung is brighter, but I don't agree with him). I think brightness measurements vary because of the different technology of the screens.
I think that just like people should stop saying that OLED is better, people here should also stop saying that miniled is better.
They each have some pros and cons.
For some people the brightness on something like the Tab S7+ is plenty (I, for one, have never used the full brightness, while I very often need to use it on my, much less bright, 2015 iPad pro, which has 430 nits of measured brightness) and not everybody can see PWM.
For some instead, it's a deal breaker. Just as the blooming can be a deal breaker for some.
As for durability, the burn in issue worries are mainly based on older devices... My 2017 Galaxy S7, which I used till the end of 2019 and still have it, has never developed any burn it... Some people here talk as if burn-is is guaranteed to happen within a couple of years.
And nobody can tell the longevity of this mini-led display... or any new display (my IPS 10.5 iPad developed a ugly white spot and it's far from being the only one, who could predict that?).
I am glad Apple is trying a new technology with great contrast, and at some point I'll probably buy it, if the benefits seem to be more than the drawbacks and no new issues appear, but I am also glad I don't need to be a early tester, having already an Amoled device for videos that is probably just as good (maybe slightly better in some aspects and slightly worse in others).
There is no “Assumption”

The fact is that in the display world, OLED can not sustain high peak brightness without damage or countermeasures. These measures would not be appropriate or work in a slim device.

Apple chose the right technology for the job.

S7 and OLEDs have infinite contrast peaking perceived contrast/brightness. An example is when the iPhone or Samsung OLED mobile displays reach max limits, they will in fact reduce color volume to help boost white sub pixels. It’s just not there yet for OLED.

True not everyone can “See PWM” or have issues with it. I am just suggesting that the side effects from PWM don’t have to form in just eye strain. Disorientation, Anxiety and others are clearly documented.

I’m not here to pump up a conspiracy. Although, I do suffer from PWM sensitivity and feel these companies should study the effects on it in the long term. We have seen a GIGANTIC uptick in disorders within the last 10 years. This is food for though….
 
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This is a moot comparison for ME since I have ZERO desire to own an android tablet.
100% Facts.

I want the Best 10-bit HDR Display that’s NOT an Android tablet.


I‘m keeping my 11” iPad Pro As my tablet, and 13.3” Samsung OLED Windows 10 laptop with its 1920x1080 AMOLED HDR display will be my Netflix/Game Streaming machine, I wish I could share how Doom Eternal looks on OLED at 1080p 60. Thanks to a WiFI 6e router and my WiFi6e Laptop there’s No Lag.
 
I saw miniLed iPad today in the store and played some hdr movies on Apple TV app. I don’t see the screen lit up it actually looks quite dim. Backlight is 100% not sure what I missed. Maybe store overhead light making the screen looks not as bright?
 
That channel is often a bit biased in favour of Samsung though. just something to consider (that applies to the reverse too off course)
 
Hate the way Samsung calibrates their screens, way over saturated, not to true to life colours, cartoonish looking trash.

Yes but at least they have options you can easily select for Vivid or Natural.
 
Yes but at least they have options you can easily select for Vivid or Natural.
Honestly didn‘t like both modes, apart from their TVs, samsung is horrible at calibrating their devices displays, watched YouTube on a note 10 plus, skin tones looked pink and the whole video looked like colours were way off and not true to life, this was in natural mode, Vivd mode looked like vomit on a plate, over saturated garbage.

Apple is the king when it comes to true to life colours, display calibration.
 
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There is no “Assumption”

The fact is that in the display world, OLED can not sustain high peak brightness without damage or countermeasures. These measures would not be appropriate or work in a slim device.

Apple chose the right technology for the job.

S7 and OLEDs have infinite contrast peaking perceived contrast/brightness. An example is when the iPhone or Samsung OLED mobile displays reach max limits, they will in fact reduce color volume to help boost white sub pixels. It’s just not there yet for OLED.

True not everyone can “See PWM” or have issues with it. I am just suggesting that the side effects from PWM don’t have to form in just eye strain. Disorientation, Anxiety and others are clearly documented.

I’m not here to pump up a conspiracy. Although, I do suffer from PWM sensitivity and feel these companies should study the effects on it in the long term. We have seen a GIGANTIC uptick in disorders within the last 10 years. This is food for though….
The reason for Apple's decisions is just your assumption, but we could go on forever about this, and there is no point. So let's stop it here
 
Honestly didn‘t like both modes, apart from their TVs, samsung is horrible at calibrating their devices displays, watched YouTube on a note 10 plus, skin tones looked pink and the whole video looked like colours were way off and not true to life, this was in natural mode, Vivd mode looked like vomit on a plate, over saturated garbage.

Apple is the king when it comes to true to life colours, display calibration.
For your information, you can precisely calibrate each colour on the Tab S7+ if you want, not just choose vivid or natural. Not something you can do on iPad (not that it needs to...). So if someone hates Samsung calibration but still wants that OLED device, they can precisely calibrate it if they like...
 
For your information, you can precisely calibrate each colour on the Tab S7+ if you want, not just choose vivid or natural. Not something you can do on iPad (not that it needs to...). So if someone hates Samsung calibration but still wants that OLED device, they can precisely calibrate it if they like...
I wouldn’t attempt calibrating a display since I’m not a expert at it, rather leave that to apple.
 
None of you own these? You go by the YT reviews?
I own the S7 11" (IPS) and the S4 which is the same display as the S7+ but a smaller screen.
The S4 is no match for any regular iPad as far a brightness, and is dim in comparison.
Nice screens, but lets get some people here that own these things

If you own them, it's easy. On paper the OLED is more attractive. But many of you would be reaching for the iPad as I do, and that's just the previous version.

But I like the Samsung stuff a lot, and own their stuff like I do Apple. In a way, it's comparable. The S7 has the newest Qualcomm 7 nanometer and it's pretty fast. Snapdragons are going to be great, moving forward

The question is why Apple isn't using OLED. Some speculate that is a peak brightness limitation, but who knows really?
If someone from Apple is asked, they just go into that silly sales pitch that is probably not going to reveal anything, Maybe they will come clean at some point.
 
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It’s true what LFC2020 says about Samsung OLED mobile displays, they are just way too over saturated. I appreciate that many people like this saturated look, but for me personally it’s gets a bit too much after using said display. Now i was a bit worried when I got my first OLED iPhone (12 mini), thinking it would have the same oversaturated look as Samsung manufacture the Apple displays, but alas no Apple calibrate their OLED screens to be natural looking like their LCD screens and they look fantastic (PWM issues aside of course!).
 
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