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CodeBreaker

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Nov 5, 2010
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Sea of Tranquility
1. By removing the RSS support totally in Safari, did this effect the RSS feed based Dashboard Widgets ?

2. So, nothing will work than anymore, no feeds, no displaying of news, no RSS of MacRumors, NO WORKING RSS FEED BASED DASHBOARD WIDGETS ???

3. Aeeh, so if this is dead and dusted, why apple promoting it with the Dashcode SDK - RSS Widget Template ???

4. Aeeeeh, i'm confused - WHY Apple doing that ??? This is going backward in to the Dark ages in massive speed - Depressing !

5. Going Google/Android Development a.s.a.p. (Update: Just starting now, install win7(yuk!) then SDK) - advise anyone doing the same - Apple is turning dangerous stupid - no fun anymore - thx and good bye apple ;-(

Dude what? They did not take away your freedom to make an RSS app/widget yourself. They removed the RSS features from Mail/Safari. I'm pretty sure the built-in RSS screen saver and widgets will work as before.

And you don't need to install Windows to develop on the Google/Android platform.
 

matrix07

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Jun 24, 2010
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1. By removing the RSS support totally in Safari, did this effect the RSS feed based Dashboard Widgets ?

2. So, nothing will work than anymore, no feeds, no displaying of news, no RSS of MacRumors, NO WORKING RSS FEED BASED DASHBOARD WIDGETS ???

3. Aeeh, so if this is dead and dusted, why apple promoting it with the Dashcode SDK - RSS Widget Template ???

4. Aeeeeh, i'm confused - WHY Apple doing that ??? This is going backward in to the Dark ages in massive speed - Depressing !

5. Going Google/Android Development a.s.a.p. (Update: Just starting now, install win7(yuk!) then SDK) - advise anyone doing the same - Apple is turning dangerous stupid - no fun anymore - thx and good bye apple ;-(

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

(There's so many things wrong in one post it's not even funny.)
 

010

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Aug 9, 2010
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What is the best RSS feed reader in terms of doing boolean queries (apart from Mail)? I tried Vienna but the searching seemed basic without looking into it in too much depth. I'd also prefer not to have to subscribe to a service like Google Reader; but may have to if there is nothing else.
 

Antist

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Jul 25, 2012
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Missing RSS feeds in Safari

I didn't realize Safari would lose the RSS feeds in Mountain Lion, and I have a bunch. Does anyone know of an app that will import all my feeds from Safari? Doing them all manually would be a pain. :(
 

Beta Particle

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Jun 25, 2012
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Honestly, RSS had no place being in the Mail app in my opinion, and the implementation wasn't very good at all.

I am disappointed to see RSS support being dropped by web browsers though. (not just Safari, Firefox dropped it a while back, and Chrome never supported RSS)

I would recommend spending $5 for Reeder, which is a considerably better way to use RSS. If you don't like the idea of Google knowing what you follow, just create a free account that you only use with Reeder. Google Reader sync is generally much quicker than actually fetching RSS from sites directly in my experience, and it means you can easily move between apps/devices.

Now i have to download another app to hog some RAM and keep open at the same time as all the others
Actually, it's very likely that Mail bloated up its RAM usage when using RSS feeds.

I disagree with mail just being for email only. This isn't the iPhone. Every OSX app is a litter bigger and better. RSS is very relevant to getting mail as the reason you use RSS is to get the latest updates...like mailinglists and subscriptions which are old hat compared to technology such as RSS where you can track changes. Should Apple strip out attachments and just keep mail text only?! ;)
RSS is for news, Mail is for mail.

I wouldn't want all my iMessage conversations merged into Mail either. Use the right tool for the job, an RSS reader such as Reeder or Newsfire is a much better way of handling it.


I will certainly agree with the sentiment that OS X has been one step forwards, two steps back for a while now. Probably since 10.4 I would say. There are still things 10.4 handled better than Mountain Lion does today. Frankly, I find Mission Control quite useless compared to the old 10.4 Exposé (10.5 started resizing windows and fitting them to a grid) and Spaces compared to fullscreen apps.


I didn't realize Safari would lose the RSS feeds in Mountain Lion, and I have a bunch. Does anyone know of an app that will import all my feeds from Safari? Doing them all manually would be a pain. :(
Apparently this will convert your list to a standard OPML file, which any good RSS app/service should be able to import.
 

dcorban

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Wow. People actually used Mail for RSS? The Safari interface is perfection.
 

daneoni

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I miss the Safari implementation dearly but i've learnt to adapt with Reeder.
 

TwoBytes

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RSS is for news, Mail is for mail.

Mail was invented for news. Both are inextricably linked. I get mail or news from friends, subscriptions to sites, offers I've signed up too, news of updates of products, news that mountain lion is out (without rss ;) ) it's all one and the same. I choose rss instead of subscriptions to job sites and band news for example.

RSS is my primary way of getting up to date *news* ie macrumours. I'll miss getting all of this in one convenient place. You can still filter it.

Now I have to have two apps open constantly when I use to have one.
 

Antist

macrumors newbie
Jul 25, 2012
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Apparently this will convert your list to a standard OPML file, which any good RSS app/service should be able to import.

Thank you! :) I was not able to use this with Safari on my iMac, as I had already upgraded to Mountain Lion and the RSS feeds were all disabled. Luckily I hadn't updated my Macbook Air, so I was able to convert my list to an OPML file from there.

Gads, I had 147 rss feeds in Safari. Was I the only one who used it for that, or are a lot of people really unhappy about this?
 

TwoBytes

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Any way to get google reader to email you when a feed is updated?
 

Beta Particle

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Jun 25, 2012
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Mail was invented for news. Both are inextricably linked. I get mail or news from friends, subscriptions to sites, offers I've signed up too, news of updates of products, news that mountain lion is out (without rss ;) ) it's all one and the same. I choose rss instead of subscriptions to job sites and band news for example.
I really couldn't disagree more. Email is for communication, and what you call news, I call junk mail, and I don't want anything to do with it.

When I want to read news/articles, I'll use a feed reader, and I really recommend spending the $5 on Reeder.

I don't want site updates showing up in mail and alerting me as if an important message has come in.

Separate tasks belong in separate apps. If I'm concentrating on work, my feed reader is closed, but I definitely want to be receiving emails.

Any way to get google reader to email you when a feed is updated?
Most RSS readers can be set on a schedule if you prefer. Personally, I now update manually when I actually have the time for it, rather than checking every 15 minutes (or whatever you set) and having it notify me. Far better to read items in batches than have lots of little distractions breaking your chain of thought throughout the day.

Not so. In Reeder, a feed doesn't show comments. It's a rather sterile approach for rendering web content. Makes so much more sense for RSS to be within a browser. Enough of the multiple screens and having to go back and forth.:mad:
Reeder has the option to display the web page rather than the formatted RSS data. I must say, I always wondered who the people were that liked this.

It's far more efficient, and much nicer to read a properly formatted feed than most websites in my opinion. Most page designs push ads and links to other articles on the site, rather than focusing on the content.

Thank you! :) I was not able to use this with Safari on my iMac, as I had already upgraded to Mountain Lion and the RSS feeds were all disabled. Luckily I hadn't updated my Macbook Air, so I was able to convert my list to an OPML file from there.
Excellent, I'm glad that worked for you!

Gads, I had 147 rss feeds in Safari. Was I the only one who used it for that, or are a lot of people really unhappy about this?
I used to have over 300 feeds being checked daily, but have now cut that down below 70 and I aim to get it down to about 50 or less. I found that I was actually getting a lot of overlap between sites. (Mac sites in particular seem to all overlap heavily with whatever seems to be the popular app of the week etc.)

Safari (or Mail) was far too inefficient to get through that number of feeds on a daily basis. I was spending more time going through them all than actually reading content. This is why I think Reeder is one of the best apps for it. Content is well formatted and you can quickly scan through new items and mark them off or star/send to Instapaper to read later.
 

tezro

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Sep 7, 2007
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I loved RSS in Mail. Sad to see it's gone now.
Never used Safari for RSS feeds. It's a webbrowser, not a client for something else.

Also, I never did any funky things with my RSS feeds so Mail worked fine for me.
I have now installed Vienna. Looks nice and simple. Just like Mail.
But it's another window of a program I did not want.

Seriously thinking about restoring from Time Machine and stay at Snow Leopard. Not just because of RSS, but the whole tearing apart of Mail and iCal. Really dislike it.
 

TwoBytes

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what you call news, I call junk mail, and I don't want anything to do with it.

it seems we both have different views & uses on what 'email' is but i'm happy to agree on our enjoyable discussion of RSS! :)

For me, I lookout for (let's call them 'notifications' instead of 'news' which is my term or 'junk mail' which is yours) Macrumors (how would you know about the Lion upgrade? ;)) and 1 or 2 bands that I'd like to know what is happening here and now and want an email about. Not forgetting very important software update news on specific spa I use for work. This i only look at on my desktop in my mail app when i'm home in my leisure time. Thank god MS outlook at work has RSS as I have to keep up with industry related news on RSS...

I we're defining what email is but even still, 300 feeds down to 70!? That's a hell of a lot and would swap me. I have fewer feeds and only a handful are updated on a regular basis

Nevertheless, now i'm looking for an RSS app that uses the notification centre. Thanks for the recommendation of Reeder which i've just bought into.

Have to come to terms with no more RSS in ML so i've got a thread on this topic of getting notifications here :) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1411455/
 
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Soulflower

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Jul 17, 2011
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I'm sure this is a very dumb question but I used the RSS feeder in Mail which is now gone. Did I lose my list of subscriptions or where are they now?
 

Weaselboy

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Somewhat related (hope this helps some of you a bit), I noticed this Safari extension that at least gives you back the RSS button in Safari. Clicking the RSS button this extension provides will open the RSS feed in your default browser app.
 

Weaselboy

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I installed it but I have no idea where it is. I don't see the button. :)

I see it on mine.

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Soulflower

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Jul 17, 2011
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duh. Now I do too. Thank you. Now I need a reader I suppose.

My big concern is the list of feeds I had in my email. Did I lose all of them just like losing all my bookmarks?

Also, if I decide to how do I uninstall that button?
 

vnle

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Jun 3, 2010
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Yep, this is basically the one factor keeping me from switching to ML - I depend heavily on my RSS feeds :mad:

I have been looking at alternatives though but I don't seem to be able to find any suitable ones.

Does anyone know of a RSS reader that pretty much does what mail does? Keeps all the articles since you've subscribed to a particular feed (even after you read them) - not only that, but keep local copies as well. For example, whenever I wipe my system, I can just open up the mail app, replace some files, and all my articles are there from when I first added that feed. A bonus (though mail doesn't do this) is grab articles from even before I subscribed to that feed!

Thanks!
 

Weaselboy

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duh. Now I do too. Thank you. Now I need a reader I suppose.

My big concern is the list of feeds I had in my email. Did I lose all of them just like losing all my bookmarks?

Also, if I decide to how do I uninstall that button?

Hmm... click your desktop to bring focus to Finder, then do shift-command-g and enter ~/Library/Mail/V2/RSS and tell me what is there?

That is where Lion Mail stored the RSS info. I upgraded to Mountain Lion and that folder is still there on my system, although it is empty because I had no RSS feeds in Mail. I wonder if you can find something in that folder in a format like OPML that can be converted for import to an RSS reader.

If you want to uninstall that extension, just go to Safari preferences and in the Extensions tab you will see an uninstall button for each extension you have installed.

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Yep, this is basically the one factor keeping me from switching to ML - I depend heavily on my RSS feeds :mad:

I have been looking at alternatives though but I don't seem to be able to find any suitable ones.

Does anyone know of a RSS reader that pretty much does what mail does? Keeps all the articles since you've subscribed to a particular feed (even after you read them) - not only that, but keep local copies as well. For example, whenever I wipe my system, I can just open up the mail app, replace some files, and all my articles are there from when I first added that feed. A bonus (though mail doesn't do this) is grab articles from even before I subscribed to that feed!

Thanks!

Most RSS clients have a setting to "never" purge the read articles. I just checked in Reeder, NewsRack, and Caffeinated on my system and all three have this setting in preferences.
 

Soulflower

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Jul 17, 2011
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Oh, thank you! Yes, they were all there. I've copied them and put them in a folder on my desktop. Can you make a recommendation now about what to do and how to import them?

I also found how to remove the extension. Not that I want to but when I do something it is good to know how to undo it too.

I appreciate your help so much.
 

Weaselboy

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Oh, thank you! Yes, they were all there. I've copied them and put them in a folder on my desktop. Can you make a recommendation now about what to do and how to import them?

I also found how to remove the extension. Not that I want to but when I do something it is good to know how to undo it too.

I appreciate your help so much.

So there was a separate file there for each feed you had? What is the file extension on the files?
 
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