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Soulflower

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Inside the RSS Feeds folder that I copied to my desktop there is an icon for each RSS feed. Inside that there is another folder and a file info.plist. INside the other folder there's a file called Data. Inside the Data folder there are other folders with a number for a name like 5 and 7. More folders inside of that...etc, etc.

Is this any help at all? Would it work to do a search for the type of file extension I need?

Thank you so much.
 

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Inside the RSS Feeds folder that I copied to my desktop there is an icon for each RSS feed. Inside that there is another folder and a file info.plist. INside the other folder there's a file called Data. Inside the Data folder there are other folders with a number for a name like 5 and 7. More folders inside of that...etc, etc.

Is this any help at all? Would it work to do a search for the type of file extension I need?

Thank you so much.

.plist files are used to store settings for lots of OS X apps, so I am guessing Mail made one plist file for each RSS feed. Right click on one of those plist files and try to open it with Textedit and see if you can decipher the RSS feed from in there.

I don't think we are going to find any automatic way to import these like I had hoped. May be able to do it manually one plist at a time. How many are there?

Edit>> I searched a little and may have a solution.

Look at the very bottom of this hint and see the below command.

Code:
IFS=$'\n';for i in $(find ~/Library/Mail/V2/RSS/ -name "Info.plist");do grep "http://" $i | sed "s/.*\(http[^<]*\).*/\1/" >> ~/Desktop/Mail\ Feeds.txt;done

Make sure the RSS folders you moved are back in their original location, then run this command in terminal. That should give you a text file with all your news feeds.

Then copy/paste the contents of the text file to here to convert it to an OPML file.

You can import the OPML file into any RSS reader you want including Google Reader.

One other thing I read is to look in you Safari bookmarks to see if the RSS feeds are there also. If they are, that is much easier to export.
 
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Soulflower

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Thanks for your help. I wish they were in my Safari bookmarks but sadly they are not.

I can at least see what they were so the easiest way for me is to just find them all and save them again in some reader. I needed to clean them out anyway. Thank you for trying.
 

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Thanks for your help. I wish they were in my Safari bookmarks but sadly they are not.

I can at least see what they were so the easiest way for me is to just find them all and save them again in some reader. I needed to clean them out anyway. Thank you for trying.

Can you try the Terminal commands I mentioned and see if that works? I am curious now. :D
 

Soulflower

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:D I may be doing something wrong because I'm not accustomed to doing this but when I entered that into the terminal it said "no such file or directory"

The RSS feeds are in their original location because I didn't move them, I just copied them to the desktop.
 

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:D I may be doing something wrong because I'm not accustomed to doing this but when I entered that into the terminal it said "no such file or directory"

The RSS feeds are in their original location because I didn't move them, I just copied them to the desktop.

Hmm... dunno. Is there an info.plist in folder? I kinda out of ideas. :confused:
 

v0dka

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Vienna is free and pretty nice and does not require Google Reader sync.

Thank you for the suggestion as I'm a new Mac user and liked the RSS support in Mail. Vienna crashes often and at the moment I'm using Thunderbird which supports RSS too but it's an additional application. I do not understand why Apple do not support RSS anymore and therefore somebody suggested to fill out http://www.apple.com/feedback/safari.html so that Apple is aware that some users want this back.
 

Ledgem

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Those of you who used Mail for RSS feeds and have switched to Reeder, how is it? I've been considering it, and based on what others have written here it can do what I'm looking for (follow feeds and also store selected stories).

As someone else mentioned, this is pretty much the one issue keeping me from upgrading to 10.8. Once I have another RSS reader set up, I'll be good to go.
 

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I recently came across another software suggestion that I hadn't seen before - RSS Owl. Free, multi-platform, supports Google Reader but also functions on its own... Reeder looks nicer (although to be fair, RSSOwl's screenshots are all from the Windows version), and being Mac-centric I'd expect it to feel more polished than a multi-platform application. Can't hurt to give it a try, though.

Update: Installed RSS Owl. I'm sure it's a great program functionally, but the interface reminds me too much of Linux (and the 1990's/early 2000's). If Reeder were $50 I'd probably put the interface issue aside, but since it's fairly cheap I'm back to considering purchasing it.

The next big question is how to export RSS feeds from Mail into a format that can be imported elsewhere. I've found programs that can generate OPML files with a slight tweak to the directory, and while I was able to import them into RSSOwl, the feed itself didn't work. Google Reader couldn't parse it, either. There has to be a way to automate it...
 
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Ledgem

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I'm interested in opinions of Reeder as well.
I've gone ahead and purchased Reeder, after deliberating between Reeder and Caffeinated (which is a few dollars more expensive). Caffeinated's interface resembled Mail a bit more, but Reeder's feature set was said to be a bit more full.

Reeder has a nice interface, but it's quite different from Mail. Like Mail, you can group feeds into folders; unlike Mail, you can't select multiple feeds at a time. The inability to select multiple things also extends to the news stories.

This lead me to the first major shock: you can't delete news stories that appear in the feeds. As someone mentioned previously, Reeder's default setting is to remove stories when they are two weeks old (presumably whether or not they are starred?). You can set Reeder to never remove read items and to download local copies, but without a way to manually delete them it seems like you would get a large buildup up unwanted feeds. For those who are interested, Reeder's other settings allow you to remove feeds upon reading them, within a matter of days, or after one month.

If you're like me and you save a small percentage of your feeds, Reeder provides you with a number of options, but they're all external. Reeder has built-in functionality to allow you to save articles to Evernote, Pinboard, Delicious, and Zootool; you can also send the articles to Readability, Instapaper, and Pocket. Admittedly I've only ever heard of Evernote, so I downloaded Evernote (available on their website or in the Mac App Store for free) and created a free account. Reeder affords you a lot of versatility with customizing keyboard shortcuts, so I created a shortcut for sending articles to Evernote.

Unfortunately I was unable to find a way to automatically export my RSS list from Mail to Google Reader. I've been doing it manually, using Google Chrome with the RSS Subscription Extension installed, which detects and adds feeds to Google Reader with just two or three clicks (although some websites still need to be done fully manually, as the extension's RSS detection doesn't seem to be flawless). I have less than 40 feeds, so it shouldn't take too much time.

Is this the best way to go about it? I don't know. I've had to sign up with two services (Google Reader and Evernote) and download two programs (Reeder and Evernote) to replace the functionality that Mail provided. For all the talk of stripping out RSS in order to streamline and de-bloat, if Mail isn't damn fast in 10.8 I'm going to be pretty miffed.
 

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Those of you who used Mail for RSS feeds and have switched to Reeder, how is it? I've been considering it, and based on what others have written here it can do what I'm looking for (follow feeds and also store selected stories).

As someone else mentioned, this is pretty much the one issue keeping me from upgrading to 10.8. Once I have another RSS reader set up, I'll be good to go.

I'm interested in opinions of Reeder as well.

I have tried about every RSS app there is for OS X going back to the old NetNewsWire days, and honestly as far as functionality, they are all pretty similar. What separates them IMO is appearance/layout.

Just looking at App Store RSS readers, the top ones are probably Reeder, Caffeinated, and NewsRack. NewsRack development seems to have stagnated. Between Reeder and Caffeinated just pick which you think looks best. I have all three I just mentioned and have settled in with Caffeinated mainly because it has "themes" that allow you to customize the look of the articles, and Reeder does not. I just don't like the way the articles look in Reeder. Just a personal preference.

To directly answer your question, Reeder is a nice RSS app and works quite well.

Below are screen caps of the same article in both Caffeinated and Reeder. This is a custom theme modified for Caffeinated.


Caffeinated shot:

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Reeder shot:

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Is this the best way to go about it? I don't know. I've had to sign up with two services (Google Reader and Evernote) and download two programs (Reeder and Evernote) to replace the functionality that Mail provided. For all the talk of stripping out RSS in order to streamline and de-bloat, if Mail isn't damn fast in 10.8 I'm going to be pretty miffed.

You might find Instapaper better for saving individual articles to read later. Reeder (and most RSS readers) have Instapaper support built in with a KB shortcut.

As far as deleting individual articles form the feed, I don't think any reader is going to be able to do that because they rely on Google Reader for the feeds. All you can do is show/hide feeds for a given period.

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Unfortunately I was unable to find a way to automatically export my RSS list from Mail to Google Reader. I've been doing it manually, using Google Chrome with the RSS Subscription Extension installed, which detects and adds feeds to Google Reader with just two or three clicks (although some websites still need to be done fully manually, as the extension's RSS detection doesn't seem to be flawless). I have less than 40 feeds, so it shouldn't take too much time.

Soulflower and I were tinkering with this earlier (post #77) and I thought we had it figured out with a Terminal script, but he had troubles with it.
 

Soulflower

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Soulflower and I were tinkering with this earlier (post #77) and I thought we had it figured out with a Terminal script, but he had troubles with it.

And he is a SHE. :D
 

Ledgem

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You might find Instapaper better for saving individual articles to read later. Reeder (and most RSS readers) have Instapaper support built in with a KB shortcut.
My interest in saving articles is less about saving to read later and more about archiving. I wouldn't expect a web service would be set up for something like that, so you need something that manages local copies. Or have I misjudged Instapaper's capabilities?

As far as deleting individual articles form the feed, I don't think any reader is going to be able to do that because they rely on Google Reader for the feeds. All you can do is show/hide feeds for a given period.
I suppose that's true. My first RSS feed manager was Opera; when I switched over to using Apple Mail, I also began to use Mail for RSS feeds. Both Opera and Mail handled RSS feeds very similarly, checking for new stories themselves and treating each article as if it were a piece of mail. I suppose that method has fallen out of style.

Soulflower and I were tinkering with this earlier (post #77) and I thought we had it figured out with a Terminal script, but he had troubles with it.
I did indeed see this. There were a few Mail to OPML scripts and programs floating around, and on your advice I was able to tweak some of them to produce an output (they look for mail/rss, which doesn't exist on 10.7; you suggested that the directory was mail/v2/rss, which worked). The problem is that the OPML file was unusable by Google Reader, and while RSSOwl could import it, the feeds were essentially the file structure of the RSS "boxes" in Mail. While my feeds were there in their correct folder structure and order, they didn't work - I guess RSSOwl couldn't parse what the actual feed URL was supposed to be, either.
 

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My interest in saving articles is less about saving to read later and more about archiving. I wouldn't expect a web service would be set up for something like that, so you need something that manages local copies. Or have I misjudged Instapaper's capabilities?

No... you are on target. Instapaper is more for "hey here is something I want to save to read later on." It saves the link and allows you to read in in a nice, text only format and can be exported to many formats. It does not however, store the actual article. So if you saved something to read later and the web page went away, you would have no way to see it in Instapaper. If you want to archive the entire text of the article, Evernote might be better for you.
 

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Whilst all RSS readers are similar none have notification features like mail has in 10.8. If anyone finds some, still them in this thread https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tedapp/status/228574354529714177"]Caffeinated.
 

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Noticed a new tip in Mac OS X hints today with a different Terminal command to convert the RSS plist file than the one discussed in post #77. Here is the link with the tip if any of you want to have another go at it.
 

Beta Particle

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unlike Mail, you can't select multiple feeds at a time. The inability to select multiple things also extends to the news stories.
Isn't that why you would group feeds in the first place? I select my "Mac" group and all Apple-related news is there for example.

This lead me to the first major shock: you can't delete news stories that appear in the feeds. As someone mentioned previously, Reeder's default setting is to remove stories when they are two weeks old (presumably whether or not they are starred?). You can set Reeder to never remove read items and to download local copies, but without a way to manually delete them it seems like you would get a large buildup up unwanted feeds. For those who are interested, Reeder's other settings allow you to remove feeds upon reading them, within a matter of days, or after one month.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but when you say "delete" isn't that the same as "mark (all) as read" ?

If you're like me and you save a small percentage of your feeds, Reeder provides you with a number of options, but they're all external.
Starred is "saved" as long as you tell Reeder to keep the local cache indefinitely.

Is this the best way to go about it? I don't know. I've had to sign up with two services (Google Reader and Evernote) and download two programs (Reeder and Evernote) to replace the functionality that Mail provided. For all the talk of stripping out RSS in order to streamline and de-bloat, if Mail isn't damn fast in 10.8 I'm going to be pretty miffed.
Here's the thing, now that you're on Google Reader, you have a centralized source for all your RSS data. (much faster updating) You can easily export an OPML file if necessary, you can easily switch between apps, you can view your feeds directly on the web, and it's all synced, even if you're using different apps on different devices.

My interest in saving articles is less about saving to read later and more about archiving. I wouldn't expect a web service would be set up for something like that, so you need something that manages local copies. Or have I misjudged Instapaper's capabilities?
On the iPad, Instapaper does what you want, when you open the app, it will download and save all your marked articles to read later. I don't think there's an equivalent app for Macs yet? (this is partly why I have moved over to the iPad for the majority of my RSS/Web Article reading)
 

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Isn't that why you would group feeds in the first place? I select my "Mac" group and all Apple-related news is there for example.
When I'm simply creating groups in the "manage" window, I had to drag and drop feeds one by one into groups because I couldn't select multiple at a time. That seems silly.

Selecting multiple feeds at once - say, to star, since deleting isn't even an option - can't be done. It all has to be done one by one. That sort of thing makes sense on the iPad or iPhone, but on a computer?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but when you say "delete" isn't that the same as "mark (all) as read" ?
If you're in the "unread" view mode, then it might as well be. But no, when I said delete, I meant really delete the news article.

But given the way that Reeder and other programs like it work, that doesn't really fit. Programs I used in the past would check the feed themselves, and then download the article (or the RSS snippet). It was essentially a piece of email - it would sit there until you deleted it. Reeder is just checking what's on your Google Reader account. You can't delete articles from there, so why should you be able to delete them from within Reeder?

Starred is "saved" as long as you tell Reeder to keep the local cache indefinitely.
I may be misunderstanding how this works. I see an option for "keep read items" as well as a checkbox for "download read items." If I set "keep read items" to "always," are you saying that it will only keep the things that I star, and it will automatically clear away the rest?

My fear is that it's going to keep everything that I read, which will junk up the program and take up unnecessary space.

Here's the thing, now that you're on Google Reader, you have a centralized source for all your RSS data. (much faster updating) You can easily export an OPML file if necessary, you can easily switch between apps, you can view your feeds directly on the web, and it's all synced, even if you're using different apps on different devices.
It does sound rather impressive, and I'm sure that many people are benefitting from it. My routines around my RSS newsfeeds don't really benefit from it, though... sorry to be a downer.

On the iPad, Instapaper does what you want, when you open the app, it will download and save all your marked articles to read later. I don't think there's an equivalent app for Macs yet? (this is partly why I have moved over to the iPad for the majority of my RSS/Web Article reading)
I got that Instapaper is for "reading later," but I'm talking about archiving things for years. I'm under the impression that Instapaper was not designed for such a thing?
 

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When I'm simply creating groups in the "manage" window, I had to drag and drop feeds one by one into groups because I couldn't select multiple at a time. That seems silly.
Hm, I agree that does seem silly. Initially, I set up all my feeds on the Google Reader site, where you have better options for that if I recall correctly. (actually, it may have just imported them from the OPML file I uploaded, I'm unsure as I made the switch years ago)

Selecting multiple feeds at once - say, to star, since deleting isn't even an option - can't be done. It all has to be done one by one. That sort of thing makes sense on the iPad or iPhone, but on a computer?
I think it's just that you have your workflow set up one way, and I'm not sure there's a way to replicate that now. I think you can do more-or-less what you're wanting, but it's just handled in different ways.

I primarily read in the iPad version of the app now (though I started with Reeder on the desktop) but what I'll do is read the articles I want to see now, star the articles I want to read later, and then hit "mark all as read" on that feed.

Or I'll load up a group (e.g. "Apple" or "Tech") and do the same thing, then mark all as read again to clear them off my list. I should point out that I use the view which sorts articles chronologically in a group, rather than grouping by site. (which doesn't make much sense in my opinion)


Well to be more specific, I actually use "starred" and "send to Instapaper" for two separate archived lists. Instapaper gets long-form articles I want to read, Starred is for things I'll want to look at later in the short-term, but don't necessarily treat as an "archive".
If you're in the "unread" view mode, then it might as well be. But no, when I said delete, I meant really delete the news article.
Well no, you can't delete an article, I suppose that's because what you're looking at is the feed from the site, and not a locally-managed list of articles. But that's what the "unread" view is for.

In the "unread" view, when an article is marked as read, it disappears off the list and is essentially "deleted" though it will stay visible in the "all" view for another week, or however long you set.

I'm only ever in the unread or starred views really. If I've read something I want to refer to again, I star it, or mark it as unread if it's only something I'll want later in that day and not archived for a long time.

The "all" view is really for when you forgot to archive an article and want to bring it up again. At least that's how I treat it.

I may be misunderstanding how this works. I see an option for "keep read items" as well as a checkbox for "download read items." If I set "keep read items" to "always," are you saying that it will only keep the things that I star, and it will automatically clear away the rest?
Looking over the options again, that is very confusing. Because I haven't used the Mac app for a long time, there probably isn't actually anything downloaded for me to test this.

The way I have it set up is to sync "all" starred items, which should keep a local copy of the article text on that machine.
Having the cache images for starred items option should also keep a local copy of any images in the articles.
I have it set to clear read items after one week. This is anything that has been read, but not starred.

With it set up like this, and having WiFi disabled, I'm able to read all of my starred items offline on my iPad. (going back to March 2011, which is the earliest one I have starred, and when I purchased my iPad 2)

I got that Instapaper is for "reading later," but I'm talking about archiving things for years. I'm under the impression that Instapaper was not designed for such a thing?
The web service does not cache items. However the iOS app does download and cache items to the device, saving all the text & images locally so you can read them indefinitely. Unfortunately I don't think there's a desktop app for Instapaper that does this.

What I have had happen before though, is that I've marked an article for Instapaper to download, but then didn't actually run the app for a few days, and by the time I loaded the app, the article no longer existed. (up until recently, there was no way for Instapaper to download articles automatically in the background)

If I had loaded the app right away, it would have cached the content and I would have been able to read it any time I wanted.
 

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Even the friggin RSS screensaver is gone!!

I had it set to football transfer news for years and now I just get the crappy 'flurry' screensaver.
 

ubittibu

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Sure it's gone and not just hidden?
After update to ML, today i deleted all rules and reinstalled little snitch, when i opened mail it asked for blocking connection from pubsubagent to each of my previous feeds!
So mail tried to connect to previous feeds.. why?? :/
 
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