MP 7,1 MKBHD switching to Mac Studio from Mac Pro, but why…

[rondocap]

Unfortunately the 2019 Mac Pro always has a huge target on its head because of its high price and perceived cost to performance, being challenged by literally every Apple Silicon newcomer as it’s demise.

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

first, he and I both use R3D Raw.

My Mac Pro has the w6800x duo, and it’s 60% faster than my Mac Studio Ultra, which is maxed out Spec wise save for a 2tb ssd.

it’s not even remotely close, on test after test. I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there that it’s really frustrating as people think the new Apple products can do absolutely everything, which they cannot.

The biggest part of this misinformation comes down to the mac studio having hardware accelerators with ProRes and H265. it will handedly will beat any conventional computer such as the Mac Pro.

but not everyone uses specifically those types of workflows, and many professionals do in fact use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows that are still very far away from being matched.

sure the next Mac Pro will either be or match the current one, but we’re definitely not there yet by a significant margin, in fact 60% faster still for my workflow.

I have no horse in this race, I own both and both are fantastic for their own specific use cases. I just happen to have a special affinity with the Macpro that goes back nearly 20 years to the power macs, so I feel the duty to speak up! ?

 

[ssj92]

For my workflow the M1 Pro in my 16" Macbook Pro doesn't really provide any benefit in speed compared to my iMac Pro with 10-Core Xeon. I agree on the misinformation on Apple silicon chips. They are fast at specific workloads.

Currently speccing a 2010 Mac Pro with 12-Core/5700XT, plan to compare all three computers in performance.

I will say the power efficiency is unrivaled though. Editing in FCPX on the M1 on battery is awesome.

 

[mattspace]

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

Can anyone say "participate in a marketing campaign where you publicly switch to a slower machine, extoll its virtues, and we'll make sure you're on the inside track to receive the new Mac Pro for review purposes, which you can hold on to until we release the next one"?

I'm sure Apple can say that.

 

[Grumply]

He's a tech youtuber ?‍♂️ I suspect having the most up-to-date technology (regardless of measures like actual performance) is a very important component of his particular business model.

I wonder if he'll be moving from shooting raw to recording prores on his Reds instead? That would certainly make is workflow a great deal smoother moving to the Ultras.

 

[brucewayne]

Has he talked about R3D Raw lately? I remember him talking about it when he first started shooting with RED but can't remember a recent mention of it.

In recent videos he has said that he has moved much of his editing to his M1 Max MBP, he shot the Rivian video on a iPhone 13 in ProRes, and that he only archives final products and except for special clips dumps the raw footage.

Is it possible that he has moved to ProRes to take advantage of the strengths of the M1?

 

[Pilot Jones]

In his review, he did explicitly mention that the Mac Studio isn't a fast for him as his Mac Pro, but as the biggest tech YouTuber in the world, he needs to put in some real usage with the latest devices to accurately assess them. It's clearly fast enough for his specific workflow even if it is slightly slower than before.

Even after he's done reviewing, he frequently posts updated thoughts on his Twitter based on long-term usage and if the deviations in long-term usage are quite significant from his original reviews, he bring it up in future videos. He did that with the Pixel 6 series. Gave them a great review early on but reined in the praise a month or two later due to how unbearably buggy the device had become.

 

[goMac]

He'll probably be using a Mac Pro again when the next one comes out. The existing Mac Pro is a three year old computer. : shrug :

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Unfortunately the 2019 Mac Pro always has a huge target on its head because of its high price and perceived cost to performance, being challenged by literally every Apple Silicon newcomer as it’s demise.

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

first, he and I both use R3D Raw.

My Mac Pro has the w6800x duo, and it’s 60% faster than my Mac Studio Ultra, which is maxed out Spec wise save for a 2tb ssd.

it’s not even remotely close, on test after test. I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there that it’s really frustrating as people think the new Apple products can do absolutely everything, which they cannot.

The biggest part of this misinformation comes down to the mac studio having hardware accelerators with ProRes and H265. it will handedly will beat any conventional computer such as the Mac Pro.

but not everyone uses specifically those types of workflows, and many professionals do in fact use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows that are still very far away from being matched.

sure the next Mac Pro will either be or match the current one, but we’re definitely not there yet by a significant margin, in fact 60% faster still for my workflow.

I have no horse in this race, I own both and both are fantastic for their own specific use cases. I just happen to have a special affinity with the Macpro that goes back nearly 20 years to the power macs, so I feel the duty to speak up! ?

If only we had a press that wasnt Pravda propaganda. The Mac press in particular, is craven and pathetic, always eager to placate their leaders bidding and narrative.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Also in a world of frisbee players with tech opinions, his take may be notable. However, in a world of tech specialist takes, he’s easily ignorable, as are almost all YouTube “influencers”.

 

[topgunn]

Perhaps he is concerned about his energy usage?

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Perhaps he is concerned about his energy usage?

Lol, that guy is the equivalent of a carbon footprint nuke. Forget his own company and minions helping him produce his frisbee bent tech channel, which is many times the size of Joe average's footprint. The bandwidth, server, download, decoding, energy use of his videos is probably more than a private jet flying around the world, in perpetuity, burning baby seals for fuel.

 

[treehuggerpro]

Lol, that guy is the equivalent of a carbon footprint nuke. Forget his own company and minions helping him produce his frisbee bent tech channel, which is many times the size of Joe average's footprint. The bandwidth, server, download, decoding, energy use of his videos is probably more than a private jet flying around the world, in perpetuity, burning baby seals for fuel.

Nice evaluation. He's definitely part of the Conspicuous Consumption Cloud Crowd.

 

[Chevysales]

Unfortunately the 2019 Mac Pro always has a huge target on its head because of its high price and perceived cost to performance, being challenged by literally every Apple Silicon newcomer as it’s demise.

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

first, he and I both use R3D Raw.

My Mac Pro has the w6800x duo, and it’s 60% faster than my Mac Studio Ultra, which is maxed out Spec wise save for a 2tb ssd.

it’s not even remotely close, on test after test. I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there that it’s really frustrating as people think the new Apple products can do absolutely everything, which they cannot.

The biggest part of this misinformation comes down to the mac studio having hardware accelerators with ProRes and H265. it will handedly will beat any conventional computer such as the Mac Pro.

but not everyone uses specifically those types of workflows, and many professionals do in fact use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows that are still very far away from being matched.

sure the next Mac Pro will either be or match the current one, but we’re definitely not there yet by a significant margin, in fact 60% faster still for my workflow.

I have no horse in this race, I own both and both are fantastic for their own specific use cases. I just happen to have a special affinity with the Macpro that goes back nearly 20 years to the power macs, so I feel the duty to speak up! ?

Your post may be better served/answered directing it to MKBHD? Did you bother to ask him straight up or post this in his comments section on what you are saying as I looked and didn't see it.

As either he does have a different workload than you seem to think or at the very least has come to much different results/conclusion. Why care what someone uses anyhow? Because one uses a certain file type as another?

Did you post this same question when he said he would no longer travel with his iMac Pro and instead use the new M1 Max 16"? Because I didn't see that...

On another note geezus some of the responses.... Mac users on a Mac centric forum calling others fanboys ?

Most it appears have issue with who said it and what platform he is on then what was said... jealous much?

 

[exoticSpice]

Unfortunately the 2019 Mac Pro always has a huge target on its head because of its high price and perceived cost to performance, being challenged by literally every Apple Silicon newcomer as it’s demise.

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

first, he and I both use R3D Raw.

My Mac Pro has the w6800x duo, and it’s 60% faster than my Mac Studio Ultra, which is maxed out Spec wise save for a 2tb ssd.

it’s not even remotely close, on test after test. I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there that it’s really frustrating as people think the new Apple products can do absolutely everything, which they cannot.

The biggest part of this misinformation comes down to the mac studio having hardware accelerators with ProRes and H265. it will handedly will beat any conventional computer such as the Mac Pro.

but not everyone uses specifically those types of workflows, and many professionals do in fact use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows that are still very far away from being matched.

sure the next Mac Pro will either be or match the current one, but we’re definitely not there yet by a significant margin, in fact 60% faster still for my workflow.

I have no horse in this race, I own both and both are fantastic for their own specific use cases. I just happen to have a special affinity with the Macpro that goes back nearly 20 years to the power macs, so I feel the duty to speak up! ?

here is the thing. The Mac Studio is the a mid level mac.

Mac Pro with Apple Sillcon still coming. That will be the true test, not this hence the Mac Studio.

Apple even said the "Mac Pro is for another day". Some thing like that.


Don't believe youtubers, even Apple does not believe the Mac Studio can replace the current Mac Pro otherwise Apple would have replaced it alreay with the Studio.

Apple's keynotes are adverstisements. The real truth comes when an independent source tests them.

 

[EugW]

It seems some people are almost getting bent out of shape just because a YouTuber wants to use a Mac Studio instead of a Mac Pro. What's the big deal? It's not as if he's switching to a Mac mini.

Don't believe youtubers, even Apple does not believe the Mac Studio can replace the current Mac Pro otherwise Apple would have replaced it alreay with the Studio.

Uh, wut?

1. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is faster than their Mac Pros.
2. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is fast, but not as fast as their Mac Pros.
3. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is sometimes faster, but sometimes is not as fast.

I think you can believe one of the above three classes of YouTubers. And it was already mentioned in this thread that ironically that specific YouTuber doesn't actually think the Mac Studio is quite as fast overall. So do you not believe him either?

He'll probably be using a Mac Pro again when the next one comes out. The existing Mac Pro is a three year old computer. : shrug :

Indeed. He semi-retires the 3 year-old Intel Mac Pro and uses the Mac Studio instead. It may at times be slower, but in the greater scheme of things across all of his workloads, it's fast enough, and in the meantime he gets an in-depth understanding of the Mac Studio and Apple Silicon. Then at WWDC/fall event, the Apple Silicon Mac Pro is announced and he buys one immediately, and from his experience with the Mac Studio knows exactly upon what to focus for his Mac Pro review.

Makes sense to me.

 

[exoticSpice]

Uh, wut?

1. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is faster than their Mac Pros.
2. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is fast, but not as fast as their Mac Pros.
3. Some YouTubers have said the Mac Studio is sometimes faster, but sometimes is not as fast.

Some Youtubers are fanboys and only do tests that the Mac Studio excel at.

 

[Boil]

TechTuber gotta keep Daddy Tim happy to stay on that New Gear Drip...

 

[ian87w]

In the end, most youtubers are concerned with the encoding speed as that is what allows them to upload their content as quickly as possible. The Mac Studio literally was designed for these people in mind, with the video encoders.

 

[BellSystem]

I only care what Rene Ritchie thinks and uses!! /s

Seriously though where did that guy come from? If he isn’t the most obvious Apple marketing employee, I don’t know who is. He just regurgitates Apple marketing speak with his clearly Apple provided materials, in his probably Apple paid for studio. He inserts lame jokes way too often to make it sound like he’s not reading the Apple “inspired” copy. He has “guests” from Apple that nobody else can get. To me it looks like Apple hired him to be their unofficial YouTube channel giving him leeway to talk negatively about some subjects to appear legit. I noticed early days M1 Ultra he had some minor operational details of the chip that were unpublished and nobody else was talking about.He is this seemingly well established YouTuber that seemed to have come out of nowhere yet based on equipment, sets, and professionalism….he looks like he’s been going as long as Linus.

It all smells a bit off to me. Maybe he’s legit and I’m just hating out of fanboy jealousy…but all I see is red flags. If only Flossy did Mac reviews we’d be all set.

 

[ian87w]

He just regurgitates Apple marketing speak with his clearly Apple provided materials, in his probably Apple paid for studio. He inserts lame jokes way too often to make it sound like he’s not reading the Apple “inspired” copy.

This describes pretty much most tech "journalists" and youtubers, as majority of them have very little actual tech knowledge, and thus only rely on marketing materials and commonly discussed stuff..

Remember how Jobs was not fond of the "future world of bloggers"? We were warned.

 

[EugW]

Anyone who claims he’s just an Apple shill doesn’t actually know his videos.

 

[osin]

I just listened to MKBHD’s podcast where he said (at 20 minute mark) that he traded in his 2019 Mac Pro - 28 core, 768GB RAM, afterburner, 2xVega II Duo, that he orignally paid $42,000 for, wait for it… for a $4700 Apple gift card at Apple!!!

I’m speechless…

He starts talking about the whole process at 14 minute mark:

Mac Pro Story Time, r/Place Recap, and an Interview with Jad Abumrad — Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast — Overcast

overcast.fm

 

[dz5b609]

Can anyone say "participate in a marketing campaign where you publicly switch to a slower machine, extoll its virtues, and we'll make sure you're on the inside track to receive the new Mac Pro for review purposes, which you can hold on to until we release the next one"?

I'm sure Apple can say that.

They can, but they never will.

 

[dz5b609]

Unfortunately the 2019 Mac Pro always has a huge target on its head because of its high price and perceived cost to performance, being challenged by literally every Apple Silicon newcomer as it’s demise.

Even the YouTuber MKBHD today said that he’s switching to the mac studio, which is interesting for a number of reasons.

first, he and I both use R3D Raw.

My Mac Pro has the w6800x duo, and it’s 60% faster than my Mac Studio Ultra, which is maxed out Spec wise save for a 2tb ssd.

it’s not even remotely close, on test after test. I feel like there’s so much misinformation out there that it’s really frustrating as people think the new Apple products can do absolutely everything, which they cannot.

The biggest part of this misinformation comes down to the mac studio having hardware accelerators with ProRes and H265. it will handedly will beat any conventional computer such as the Mac Pro.

but not everyone uses specifically those types of workflows, and many professionals do in fact use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows that are still very far away from being matched.

sure the next Mac Pro will either be or match the current one, but we’re definitely not there yet by a significant margin, in fact 60% faster still for my workflow.

I have no horse in this race, I own both and both are fantastic for their own specific use cases. I just happen to have a special affinity with the Macpro that goes back nearly 20 years to the power macs, so I feel the duty to speak up! ?

So what's your point? Because your answering your question yourself, for Marques his workflow the Mac Studio is faster than the max-specced Mac Pro. So he switched, because time = money.

You seem to be suggesting that Marques shouldn't have switched, because for other people their workflow it may not be faster...

 

[rondocap]

I only care what Rene Ritchie thinks and uses!! /s

Seriously though where did that guy come from? If he isn’t the most obvious Apple marketing employee, I don’t know who is. He just regurgitates Apple marketing speak with his clearly Apple provided materials, in his probably Apple paid for studio. He inserts lame jokes way too often to make it sound like he’s not reading the Apple “inspired” copy. He has “guests” from Apple that nobody else can get. To me it looks like Apple hired him to be their unofficial YouTube channel giving him leeway to talk negatively about some subjects to appear legit. I noticed early days M1 Ultra he had some minor operational details of the chip that were unpublished and nobody else was talking about.He is this seemingly well established YouTuber that seemed to have come out of nowhere yet based on equipment, sets, and professionalism….he looks like he’s been going as long as Linus.

It all smells a bit off to me. Maybe he’s legit and I’m just hating out of fanboy jealousy…but all I see is red flags. If only Flossy did Mac reviews we’d be all set.

Rene Ritchie is great, I love his videos too.

To be clear, I do enjoy MKBHD's videos and he has a very refined quality to them. I was mostly using his example of switching as a sort of defense to the Mac Pro.

He has been a fan of Apple products, including the Mac Pro for a long time - so I understand his angle. His audience will be a bit more general in nature, so it is not always detailed tech reviews, but more subjective opinion pieces.

I think his studio has multiple Mac Pros, and I'm sure with R3D Raw, which is what his studio uses, the majority of the heavy lifting is still done on the Mac Pros - who knows if he himself personally edits more than the main video or so from multiple videos.

My point is that at the end of the day, the Mac Pro with a W6800x duo is still significantly faster than the Mac Studio Ultra for R3D raw, over 60% in my experience in FCP and Resolve with export times, stabilize, etc. That makes a big difference.

The hardware accelerators are incredible for ProRes and H265 type codecs, that's where it really shines - and many YouTubers who use cameras like the Sony A7S iii (Much more common than Red cameras) will benefit much more.