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MayaUser

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Expected outcome based on M2's performance. But I have to say GPU uses is still limited as Mac never known for 3D related software. It would be nice if Apple start adding more NPU and/or ray tracing cores to attract 3D software developers like Maya to compete with Nvidia which dominate the entire external GPU market by 90%.
As heavy Maya user, i understand that completely but i moved from PC world because in mobile world there is almost nothing that can make my life easier on the go than the M1 Max and , probably M2 max if the times cut are big enough especially in the gpu department/or overall projects
Nvidia has the edge and somehow the monopole on business that are "stuck on the ground"
Thats why i want to see what Mac Pro has in the development and how it will compare with todays "Mac Studio" because from what ive heard, difference can be big or small depends on the Gpu support
 

120FPS

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The battery on that thing is most certainly dead and doesn't hold any charge, I'm sure. You gotta upgrade! An M2 MacBook Air would be the ideal laptop for you.
You could buy aftermarket replacements and it was easy to replace yourself. Even storage was easy to upgrade. The fact that it lasted this long is a testament to those designs being highly regarded.
 

Duncan-UK

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If someone who owns an M1 wants to buy the M2, they certainly can and are free to spend their money as they see fit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
yes but don't pretend this is a normal case. The site is as much to blame - always asking the nonsensical question should an owner of last years hardware upgrade to this years, look at the phones ever year - completely silly question to ask.
 

maflynn

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yes but don't pretend this is a normal case.
Never said it was, but yet with that said, we see all too often people here wanting to upgrade their 1 year old <insert apple product> for a new one. Not my money, not my care, I'm just pointing out the hubris of others telling people how to spend their money
 

Ethosik

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For people who think 10-20% increase in speed is "not a lot" or "not worth the money lol", here's a point of view to consider:

I do creative work for a living and I spend hours and hours in Adobe Illustrator, and some time in After Effects, Photoshop, etc.

Almost all of benchmarks we see are things like export times, rendering times, how long to perform one very complex task, how can it handle multiple streams of Resolution X in Codec Y...

But something that people who don't do this kind of work don't experience and don't see in the benchmarks is how a "10-20% increase" can meaningfully impact the nuts and bolts of the 'creative' part of this kind of work.

If you're in a large Illustrator file with a f-load of objects and paths and masks and effects, these "relatively small" increases in speed can actually make a noticeable difference in how responsive Illustrator is when you're dragging an object, selecting multiple objects, modifying multiple points, turning on and off layer visibility, even just drawing a line...

The more instantaneous these things happen, the more free you are to work "at the speed of your mind and hands" and not get bottlenecked by the computer computing something –even if it's a fraction of a second– a hundred times in five minutes.

When you account for this in addition to the minutes here and there that you save on other "computer stuff" that an M2 MBP will do faster than an M1 MBP, it's very clear that you can get way more than $3000 in value. 💹

(Plus, of course, the resale value on these machines is so good, so if you sell your old machine you're effectively only paying a fraction of the sticker price.)
Spot on. Also the larger the project the bigger difference up to 20% makes. For example, I regularly edit and export 8-12+ hour….yes HOURS…long videos. My 2019 iMac exports in 8 hours. My M1 Max laptop exports in 2.5 hours. And around 1.8 hours for the M1 Ultra. Very Very good increase. That’s more to do with the media encoders than CPU/GPU. But my titles and effects are also faster on these large projects.

I wonder if the M2 variants will be faster. I think I read the M2 Max got rid of a media encoder though.
 

jdb8167

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yes but don't pretend this is a normal case. The site is as much to blame - always asking the nonsensical question should an owner of last years hardware upgrade to this years, look at the phones ever year - completely silly question to ask.
Most people here that I've seen post upgraded from the M1 to the M2 because they wanted another feature other than a slightly faster SoC. I upgraded form an M1 MacBook Air to the M2 to get 24 GB (and very secondarily because of the chassis update.) Another member posted that he upgraded because he got a good deal and wanted to upgrade from 512 GB to 2 TB. These are pretty normal cases in my opinion.
 

FreakinEurekan

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Most people here that I've seen post upgraded from the M1 to the M2 because they wanted another feature other than a slightly faster SoC. I upgraded form an M1 MacBook Air to the M2 to get 24 GB (and very secondarily because of the chassis update.) Another member posted that he upgraded because he got a good deal and wanted to upgrade from 512 GB to 2 TB. These are pretty normal cases in my opinion.
Three camps of upgrades from M1 to M2:
  1. Under-bought (i.e. bought 8GB RAM/256 storage, now buying what they should have originally)
  2. Power users, or fast-changing requirements (bought 16GB RAM, need 24, etc)
  3. More money than sense
 

wideEyedPupil

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Aug 24, 2012
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It depends on the user of the device. If your time spending an extra minute on a process to complete is worth more than $3000+ to upgrade the computer then yes the old system is obsolete and needs replacing.

If your time is worth more than the replacement cost for a few minutes, I don’t think it’s a problem with the budget. For the rest of us who don’t make thousands of dollars a minute it’s perfectly fine to wait on an upgrade.
evidence that they don’t teach math well
enough in primary and secondary school these days.
 

wideEyedPupil

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Aug 24, 2012
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looks like the embargo has been lifted

I think the numbers are quite impressive. I don't think its enough for current M1 owners to upgrade but its nice bump nonethless
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nothing wrong with Marques Brownlee as a reviewer in terms of ability to discern product, he’s better than many and his video production quality is first rate. but i always get this lingering sense of him lacking a shred of concern for the environment and rampant consumerism, of which he’s now a profitable segment of that marketing industry. his idealising of tech bling kind of makes me wanna puke at times. this video doesn’t really show that trait so far as i’ve watched it, good.
 

russell_314

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evidence that they don’t teach math well
enough in primary and secondary school these days.
People know the math. They're just being emotional. I can empathize with this because it's what I do sometimes.

nothing wrong with Marques Brownlee as a reviewer in terms of ability to discern product, he’s better than many and his video production quality is first rate. but i always get this lingering sense of him lacking a shred of concern for the environment and rampant consumerism, of which he’s now a profitable segment of that marketing industry. his idealising of tech bling kind of makes me wanna puke at times. this video doesn’t really show that trait so far as i’ve watched it, good.
Did you see his latest review on the M2 mini? He included a part about the environment. Of course it's all consumerism because his whole channel is based on consumerism. We're all here in this thread because of consumerism. It's just how the world works. If people only bought the bare minimum of what they actually need versus wanting something cool, Apple would not be such a big corporation. I wouldn't be typing this on my MacBook Air. I would still be using the old Chromebook I have.
 
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sam_dean

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Three camps of upgrades from M1 to M2:
  1. Under-bought (i.e. bought 8GB RAM/256 storage, now buying what they should have originally)
  2. Power users, or fast-changing requirements (bought 16GB RAM, need 24, etc)
  3. More money than sense
Reminds me of me when I bought

- Intel laptops between 2017 & 2019
- Android phones in 2014, 2015 & 2017 when I had an iPhone every 2 years at that time
- NES mini, SNES mini, Playstation mini & Commodore 64 mini
- U3818DW

Smarter move would be

- Keep using 2011 MBP 13" 45nm then upgrade to a 2021 MBP 16" 5nm. Do the same when moving from 2012 iMac 27" 32nm to hopefully a 2023 iMac 27" replacement 5nm.
- Just stick to iPhone but maintain 32GB until base model became 64GB, 128GB and 256GB
- Do not buy the minis
- Do not buy an ultra wide 4K display
 

FreakinEurekan

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Reminds me of me when I bought

- Intel laptops between 2017 & 2019
- Android phones in 2014, 2015 & 2017 when I had an iPhone every 2 years at that time
- NES mini, SNES mini, Playstation mini & Commodore 64 mini
- U3818DW

Smarter move would be

- Keep using 2011 MBP 13" 45nm then upgrade to a 2021 MBP 16" 5nm. Do the same when moving from 2012 iMac 27" 32nm to hopefully a 2023 iMac 27" replacement 5nm.
- Just stick to iPhone but maintain 32GB until base model became 64GB, 128GB and 256GB
- Do not buy the minis
- Do not buy an ultra wide 4K display
I’m not saying everyone should wait 10 years - just that upgrading from M1 to M2 in 18 months, you need to look at those three categories. If you’re not #1 or #2, then you’re #3 😬
 

sam_dean

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I’m not saying everyone should wait 10 years - just that upgrading from M1 to M2 in 18 months, you need to look at those three categories. If you’re not #1 or #2, then you’re #3 😬
If your use case does not change then use it down the bone.

Only replace when it's too expensive to fix, use case change, a project will pay for new or it's long in the tooth.

Anyone using any Mac pre-2013 should replace em today with any M2 as it has been months since after the final macOS Security Update has been released.
 
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RedOctober

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I'm on MBP mid-2015, should I go with the M1 or M2 at this point?

I was in the same boat as you, decided to buy a refurbished Macbook Pro 14 M1 Pro base model (16/512) because:

1. My use case is pretty basic - emails, youtube, blah blah with the occasional photo and video editing.
2. It has fans and more ports, unlike the M2 Air.
3. Refurbished because it's $600 cheaper than new, and from the reviews, refurbished Macbooks were no different than new. They were not wrong - mine was spotless, not a mark anywhere, even the rubber feet was new.
4. Can't really justify the cost for an M2 Macbook Pro if the M1 can meet my use case.

I don't see me buying another Macbook for another 6 to 8 years, unless my use case changes.
 
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Pressure

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If I am doing totally honest his videos look great but lack any deep investigation of the architecture.

For crying out loud he only runs Cinebench and Geekbench ...

In his latest of the M2 Pro Mac mini he mentions compiling but fails to give any examples. He also praises the M2 Pro Mac mini but mentions you should probably upgrade the memory and SSD but then completely fails to mention that at that point you can buy the M1 Max Mac Studio.
 
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maflynn

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If I am doing totally honest his videos look great but lack any deep investigation of the architecture.
I like what he has to say, but I agree. I go to other Yters for more indepth. Its along the same lines of getting objective reviews from iJustine :p
 
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sam_dean

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If I am doing totally honest his videos look great but lack any deep investigation of the architecture.

For crying out loud he only runs Cinebench and Geekbench ...

In his latest if the M2 Pro Mac mini he mentions compiling but fails to give any examples. He also praises the M2 Pro Mac mini but mentions you should probably upgrade the memory and SSD but then completely fails to mention that at that point you can buy the M1 Max Mac Studio.
He's likeable and he isn't white straight male. Perhaps that's why many flock to him.

Personally I prefer Dave2D... because he's not a swhite straight male either.... just kidding he has more insights.

But to be honest if I did not watch any of these YouTubers I would probably never had bought

- Intel laptops in 2017 & 2019
- Android phones in 2014, 2015 & 2017 when I had an iPhone every 2 years at that time
- NES mini, SNES mini, Playstation mini & Commodore 64 mini
- U3818DW

Therre's something to be said about minimizing tech.
 

120FPS

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Oct 26, 2022
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Three camps of upgrades from M1 to M2:
  1. Under-bought (i.e. bought 8GB RAM/256 storage, now buying what they should have originally)
  2. Power users, or fast-changing requirements (bought 16GB RAM, need 24, etc)
  3. More money than sense
I think there is another one, inflationary price rises when Apple announces a new model.

For users who can sell their previous devices on eBay (or some other site that isn’t Apple’s buy back scheme) it would make sense to stay current every generation, especially if they do not buy a custom-built machine but stick with the generic configs Apple sells. It’s easier to sell something with only a year of use.
 

Pressure

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I'm South East Asian living in South East Asia and I find his speaking voice too annoying.

I have to mention where I am my ethnicity out of fears of being called racist.
The level and depth of data presented is definitely more important to me than the accent, although I would prefer it as a written review instead of a video review as I like reading and consuming data at my own pace.
 

sam_dean

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The level and depth of data presented is definitely more important to me than the accent, although I would prefer it as a written review instead of a video review as I like reading and consuming data at my own pace.
I prefer reviews from Anandtech 5-10 years ago. Their Apple reviews are top notch.

YouTubers based their review on their typical use case of making YouTube videos.

They're deceptivally hypnotic. They got me buying almost $10k of gear that I shouldn't have bought
 

Wokis

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If I am doing totally honest his videos look great but lack any deep investigation of the architecture.

For crying out loud he only runs Cinebench and Geekbench ...

In his latest of the M2 Pro Mac mini he mentions compiling but fails to give any examples. He also praises the M2 Pro Mac mini but mentions you should probably upgrade the memory and SSD but then completely fails to mention that at that point you can buy the M1 Max Mac Studio.
Regretably this. Way too casual approach and the comments just keep praising the intro which reads like a psuedo promo shot that Apple should've paid for, rather. Practical tests and deeper analysis could've been done, even in a sub 10 min video.

They're clearly not interested in doing these types of videos anymore and just see it as a safe point of income.
 
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