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AidenShaw

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Feb 8, 2003
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...the X1 is no longer available.

The current model is the Latitude D430.

3 lbs, 11.6" by 8.25", 1" thick (1.36kg , 295mm x 209.8mm x 25.4mm) - 1.2" narrower, 0.7" less deep, 0.25" thicker

Ports: PC Card (Express card adapter available), Docking connector, 3 USB, VGA, headphone/speaker out, RJ-11, RJ-45, AC power, integrated microphone, IEEE1394, SD card slot

Holy crap, Batman. The Dell has FireWire, and the Apple doesn't :eek:


The funny thing is that he thinks the Dell X1 is comparable to the MBA.

Please re-read - I said that the MBA styling looks like an update to the X1. I'm not alone in that opinion.

And, of course the MBA is more powerful than a Dell released 3 years ago!


Replaceable battery? Who cares? If you need one after two years just buy it at Apple...

Please re-read - the replaceable battery isn't important for repairs, it's to be able to carry a spare battery for when X hours (whatever X happens to be for you) isn't enough. IMO it's a non issue as regards to a battery failure - but an important issue for usability (meaning runtime).


MacBook Flair.

Or perhaps it will end up being the "MacBook Cube", based on the number of negative comments here ;) .
 

dbressler

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Jan 17, 2008
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Question on specs

Anyone know the following:

1. Does the OS take advantage of the speed improvements of a flash drive? Everyone's comparing with Dell, but Dell came out and explicitly said that the flash drive was for durability, not for speed.

2. Anyone know how the flash drive improves battery life? Any guesses? An extra hour? Extra 20%? Ideas?

3. Being a PC guy (yeah, it sucks) how much space is left on the drive when it gets to your house with a standard install? Or, asked better, how much space does the default install take?

Thanks,

David
 

ncbill

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Aug 18, 2002
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I think you've nailed it.

I get the feeling the design specs were:

1. Must use our current MB 13" screen
2. Must weigh no more than 3 lb.
3. Aluminum case
4. No optical drive
5. Everything else negotiable

Sticking with the MB's 1" thick base would have allowed Apple to keep the MB's I/O ports and maybe add some more (e.g. 2 FW800 ports on the left side, move the USB ports to the right side, and add an ExpressCard slot on the right side)

Even using a 2.5" hard drive, I'd bet it wouldn't have weighed more than 3.5 lbs. - a half-pound more would have eliminated most of the compromises we see in the MBA.

40%. By the way, imagine if they took an existing macbook, switched to LED, tossed out the optical drive and used an aluminum case instead.

The new machine would be about .8 thick, have the same foot print (actually a touch smaller!) and probably be just under 4lbs.

If they then put in an SSD or 1.8 HDD in place of the 2.5 HDD, chucked some ports, and then chucked one of speakers that would save as well. Starts to get close to 3.5lbs without any engineering at all and just a few parts changes.

So when you look at this MBA's engineering, its not that impressive... You could see that just incorporating the existing screens and case from the MBP saves you most of the weight.
 

inmyname

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Jan 12, 2008
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he he..

I have to chuckle when I read a post suggesting that people who buy the macbook air can restore the functionality and extend the capabilities to meet their needs by carrying extra little boxes for usb hubs, external drives, cables and as yet not invented battery extenders.. without seeming to recognise that those extras increase the total volume and weight that they are paying a price premium to have apple remove from their laptop. I wonder how big the padded laptop bag to carry all that around in is and how much it weighs.

And for those folk who suggest that air owners shell out for a wireless router.. I guess you'd have to hope that the office you try and visit don't mind you plugging that wireless router (that you carried!!!) into their ethernet network, making the patch live, and checking to make sure its secure enough to not fret that some drive by hacker is going to take advantage of the new signal.

To be honest, I might suggest any smug macbook air owner who tried to share my CD-ROM/DVD drive over wifi that they should have brought one of those with them too! How light is that envelope now mister? I wouldn't let an untrusted person access my office network.. they might try and steal my data, or expose my systems (and data) to something harmful.

And if in order for that macbook air to share my drive, I needed to install some other software on my computer??? hahahaaaaaaa. You think I trust you? Are you going to accept liability if something goes wrong with my computer/network or mys software mysteriously stops working properly afterwards? I'll make you come fully equipped to do what you need to do or don't bother showing up.
 

Jarcreative

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Jan 13, 2008
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Mr Jobs, please remove your head from your arse. We need replaceable batteries.

Not having a replaceable battery on an iPod is acceptable
Not having a replaceable battery on an iPhone is very annoying
Not having a replaceable battery on a laptop is unacceptable and down right idiotic

I have had 7 replacement batteries in 2 laptops in 2 years. Obviously, they have some serious issues when it comes to having good batteries. Why does he think its ok to have a laptop that can't have its battery replaced by the user, and they charge $129 for a new one. This is going to kill most people who would purchase it for travel. I know many sales guys who carry extra batteries for everything from their phone, DVD player, laptop, etc. When I travel, I carry 2 batteries for my laptop.

Its going to kill sales.

The air is not for pro user/mac forum geeks who lick batteries between final cut editing sessions. This is for fashion models (and the 90% of the population that wants to be a fashion model) who don't know or care the first thing about battery replacement. It goes way beyond the ultra portable niche in that it has a full size screen and keyboard - so no significant user compromise. It's a sexed up macbook that every non pro user will want and will seriously consider paying an extra chunk of change for.

A girl in my office is seriously considering selling her brand new macbook to get one. The only downside will be most of the sales will be at the cost of macbooks....
 

AidenShaw

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Feb 8, 2003
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I have to chuckle when I read a post suggesting that people who buy the macbook air can restore the functionality and extend the capabilities to meet their needs by carrying extra little boxes for usb hubs, external drives, cables and as yet not invented battery extenders.. without seeming to recognise that those extras increase the total volume and weight that they are paying a price premium to have apple remove from their laptop.

What to you want to bet that those same people brag about how small the Mac Mini is - yet their Mini is kind of hard to see because of the motley assortment of external drives, USB gizmos, cables and other stuff that would fit nicely inside a mini-tower case?
 

drsmithy

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Sep 13, 2006
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Sorry, but for someone who travels a lot, a 40-50% reduction in weight is not 'relatively insignificant'.

I do travel a lot, and the weight reduction of 0.9kg is insignificant. *Especially* in the fact of a) how much functionality is lost to gain that weight; and b) other laptops which fit the "portability" requirement far better.

If you can handle the functionality cut of the MBA, you can certainly handle the (relatively smaller) functionality cut of the Vaio TZ or Toshiba R500 and have a much more portable machine due to their smaller footprints.
 

lowbuzz

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Jan 17, 2008
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Oh well, my Macbook Flair joke didn't even wake the crickets.

But my fave on here is the guy who defends it cuz he doesn't have enough strength to lift the extra 3 ounces or whatnot :) The back and forth on that was hilarious!

I just keep picturing this guy, laying down his MacBook Air and saying,

"Honey, I gotta go. Y'know I can't do this by myself anymore."

Hopefully they'll make a catheter dongle and make it the PERFECT laptop for the poor guy.
 

inmyname

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Jan 12, 2008
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Is it lacking in ...

bluetooth as well????

Wow.. a really minimal yet expensive laptop that isn't much smaller than the macbook..

I think I can imagine how the latest "get a mac ads" will play...

[Fanfare!]
Introducing the New Mac Book Air!
Camera shot of an extra ordinarily beautiful woman's face.

"Hi! I'm the new Mac Book Air!! Hello Mac, Hello PC!!"

Simoultaneously drooling PC and Mac reply - "Hello Macbook Air!! You're really slim and beautiful!"

Camera pulls back to reveal more of Macbook Air. She waves and smiles!

PC- "Say gorgeous, how about you and me get together and do something.. later? Play some games or something??"

MacBook Air - "Sure, I have all the capabilities of my fully featured relative, the macbook. We can do that!"

PC-" What do you mean fully featured? Is there something wrong with you?"

Macbook Air - "Oh no, silly! I was designed like this. You see to get as slim as this, I had to have one of my arms amputated!"

PC - "Oh???"

Macbook Air - " And one of my breasts"

PC - "Umm.. really? And you can do everything with just one arm and one breast?"

MacBook Air -" Of course silly! A mac computer is much more than just two arms and two breasts!!"

Macbook chips in- "And two legs"

Macbook Air - "Oh..[sounds sad]"

Camera pulls back and reveals MacBook Air has no legs either.

PC -" Umm, do you still have somewhere to plug an ethernet cable in?"
 

50548

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The X1 (http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/dell-latitude-x1/4505-3121_7-31320873.html) also has a dirt slow processor (I guess we know what Intel did with all those Pentium M processors instead of throwing them in the dumpster where they belong), 1/4 the RAM, just over half the maximum RAM, smaller screen, half the hard drive size, 3 hour battery life, and $200 more than the MBA. Oh, and that doesn't even mention that the X1 is no longer available and forces you to use Windows or Linux.

No wonder you advocate Windows - if you consider that to be a reasonable comparison.

Don't worry, Aiden Shaw always does that...he NEVER acknowledges anything good in Apple products, and always tends to forget the competitors' shortcomings...

Besides, just let me know when Dell has the same industrial reliability as Apple, the same level of design and innovation and runs OS X...in other words, never... ;)

This just in, for instance; any comments, Aiden? ;)

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drsmithy

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Sep 13, 2006
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Or perhaps this is one sign of Apple going after the corporate market. There have been a number of articles recently indicating that Apple should do more to get the corporate market. *

Difficult to see how. The MBA is a poor fit for typical corporate needs (if for no other reason than the lack of a docking station), with the possible exception of the "Executives' latest gadget" demographic. When most business employees get a laptop, they're expected to use it as their only machine. The MBA is a poor fit for this requirement.

BTW, you are aware that you can use Windows on a Mac, right (either within Mac OS X via Fusion or Parallels or as the primary OS)? If you find that the feature set and price of the MBA is competitive, why not wipe the hard drive and install Windows if that's what you need? (In the past, I felt there were few cases where this made sense, but given the MBA's price advantage against the competition, this might be one of them).

Quite aware. I am eagerly awaiting the MBP update to see if it's added enough stuff to make up for the lack of a docking station. But the point is I *don't* find the MBA's feature set and price to be competitive. A Vaio TZ or Toshiba R500 is more portable, a Dell D430 (or even regular MB) is vastly more capable, only slightly larger and a lot cheaper.

It's just not a sane option for anyone after a *tool* rather than a *toy* (and, hey, if you have the kind of income to splash that sort of $$$$ on a toy, then don't be scared to live it up).

[/quote]

Indeed. The bloke nails it to a T. The MBA is for people with money to spare who are more interested in a fashion accessory than a practical tool.

The more I think about it, the more I agree with people drawing parallels between the MBA and The Cube. It will sell well to people who have money to burn, but not so well to the market at large.

(There's also the "never buy version x.0 of Apple hardware" rule of thumb to further make it unattractive to the experienced purchaser.)

Now, lest people get the wrong idea, I will certainly agree that the MBA is a beautiful piece of hardware. I just don't think it's suitable for anyone who needs a computer to do something apart from look good on a business class tray or overpriced cafe table.
 

Drannore

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Jan 17, 2008
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It is so niche...

Apple really has not released a niche product in a while. If you discount the Mac Pro (which is not really that niche) then you are left with a lot of products that anyone would like. The problem is that the Macbook Air, by its very classification, is a niche product.

It all boils down to priorities: do you want a desktop-class notebook with all kinds of expandability and a reasonably small form factor? Then you get the Pro.

If you are an average consumer or a student who wants a nice, middle-class laptop that has enough of what you need, and is portable enough, then you should get a Macbook.

However, the Macbook Air is really about priorities. If you love power and expandability, then just ignore this--and every other--subnotebook. If you want a really light laptop that has a full screen and keyboard, and are willing to pay for portability, and love the way this awesome computer looks, then you are the market for the Air.

Also, if you want this thing, you will probably also want an N router. As for me, I have wireless, so ethernet is nothing. I love light laptops, and this one in particular. I also hate working with photos and such on trackpads, so the gestures are something that I would use constantly. And for soon-to-be university students like me, this would be ideal for hauling around. I love this laptop. I actually don't mind the trashing, so keep it up, but I would appreciate all of you not resorting to personal attacks.
 

rstansby

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Jun 19, 2007
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I prefer built in batteries, the initial cost is less, and don't fall off accidently.

I can see arguments for and against the built in battery, but not being an Engineer, I'm curious if having a 'built-in' battery versus a user replaceable battery gives the consumer any real advantage (outside of designing a thinner device)?

Everybody has the right to their own opinion. Personally I have a strong preference for built in battery. I have never replaced a battery in a cell phone, but I have had a cell phone turn off because the battery accidently disconnected. A built-in battery prevents this. If I do choose to replace the battery there will be a cost regardless of whether I can do it myself. It might be inconvenient to send in the phone, but that inconvenience will be over after a couple days.

As far as laptops go, I have an iBook and after years of abuse the battery doesn't fit well. I would prefer a built in battery..

Finally there is an additional cost to making the battery removable. I would rather save that money when I buy the device, and then use that money to pay for the battery replacement in the unlikely event I need to do that.

Some folks use 2 batteries frequently, those folks are welcome to buy computers with easily removable batteries, it won't hurt my feelings.
 

rstansby

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Jun 19, 2007
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I have to chuckle when I read a post suggesting that people who buy the macbook air can restore the functionality and extend the capabilities to meet their needs by carrying extra little boxes for usb hubs, external drives, cables and as yet not invented battery extenders.. without seeming to recognise that those extras increase the total volume and weight that they are paying a price premium to have apple remove from their laptop. I wonder how big the padded laptop bag to carry all that around in is and how much it weighs.

And for those folk who suggest that air owners shell out for a wireless router.. I guess you'd have to hope that the office you try and visit don't mind you plugging that wireless router (that you carried!!!) into their ethernet network, making the patch live, and checking to make sure its secure enough to not fret that some drive by hacker is going to take advantage of the new signal.

To be honest, I might suggest any smug macbook air owner who tried to share my CD-ROM/DVD drive over wifi that they should have brought one of those with them too! How light is that envelope now mister? I wouldn't let an untrusted person access my office network.. they might try and steal my data, or expose my systems (and data) to something harmful.

And if in order for that macbook air to share my drive, I needed to install some other software on my computer??? hahahaaaaaaa. You think I trust you? Are you going to accept liability if something goes wrong with my computer/network or mys software mysteriously stops working properly afterwards? I'll make you come fully equipped to do what you need to do or don't bother showing up.

There are a large number of users who rarely use an optical drive. The others can always buy a macbook or macbook pro.

I think it would have been pretty silly for apple to make a macbook air that was just as bulky and heavy as the other Macbooks.

Most cars don't have a pickup truck bed for transporting whole sheets of plywood. Does that mean that just because some people want to transport plywood these cars are useless?
 

jragosta

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Jun 9, 2004
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I do travel a lot, and the weight reduction of 0.9kg is insignificant. *Especially* in the fact of a) how much functionality is lost to gain that weight; and b) other laptops which fit the "portability" requirement far better.

Then don't buy one. Lots of people like the MBA and don't see that any important functionality is lost.

If you can handle the functionality cut of the MBA, you can certainly handle the (relatively smaller) functionality cut of the Vaio TZ or Toshiba R500 and have a much more portable machine due to their smaller footprints.

ROTFLMAO. Less functionality loss with the TZ? It's got a dirt slow processor and a tiny screen. That is far, far greater functionality loss than the MBA's removal of features that I don't use when I'm traveling, anyway.

Difficult to see how. The MBA is a poor fit for typical corporate needs (if for no other reason than the lack of a docking station), with the possible exception of the "Executives' latest gadget" demographic. When most business employees get a laptop, they're expected to use it as their only machine. The MBA is a poor fit for this requirement.

Since when is a docking station a requirement? I use my laptop when I'm traveling and a desktop in the office. No need to dock the laptop. I don't have to transfer all that many files, but when I do, email or a USB stick does the job quite nicely.



Quite aware. I am eagerly awaiting the MBP update to see if it's added enough stuff to make up for the lack of a docking station. But the point is I *don't* find the MBA's feature set and price to be competitive. A Vaio TZ or Toshiba R500 is more portable, a Dell D430 (or even regular MB) is vastly more capable, only slightly larger and a lot cheaper.

That's pretty funny. The Vaio is $900 more, tiny screen, dirt slow processor (and Windows as an additional disadvantage). Sorry, but explain again why I should spend $900 more to get a smaller screen and slower processor just to retain a few features I don't use when I travel, anyway?

(There's also the "never buy version x.0 of Apple hardware" rule of thumb to further make it unattractive to the experienced purchaser.)

Strange 'rule'. When did they come out with that? And if that were true, why are Apple products consistently related as the most reliable in the industry across the board?

You are confusing functionality with performance. Not having Firewire is a functionality loss as there is no way to connect firewire devices. A smaller screen and a slower processor is a performance loss. Meaning you can still do the job, it just takes longer and/or is not as comfortable. Also while the TZ screen is smaller (11.1") it actually has a slight higher resolution...

Call it what you want. The TZ is way slower, smaller screen (at roughly the same resolution, that makes it harder to read), and so on - at $900 more. None of the 'missing' features in the MBA matter to me.

So call it functionality or performance or gobbledigook. Buying the TZ would be a foolish move for me.
 

azentropy

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ROTFLMAO. Less functionality loss with the TZ? It's got a dirt slow processor and a tiny screen. That is far, far greater functionality loss than the MBA's removal of features that I don't use when I'm traveling, anyway.

You are confusing functionality with performance. Not having Firewire is a functionality loss as there is no way to connect firewire devices. A smaller screen and a slower processor is a performance loss. Meaning you can still do the job, it just takes longer and/or is not as comfortable. Also while the TZ screen is smaller (11.1") it actually has a slight higher resolution...
 

mojohanna

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Jul 7, 2004
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Pointless ... why have a ultra portable version thats not fully suitable to those on the road.

Those who aren't making a big deal about it don't travel for business :D

Thats a crap statement. I travel for business and travel extremely long distances (13-15+ hours on planes). I have an extra battery for my 17"PB, but I never really use it. Here is why. I have an airline power adapter and am able to power/charge the laptop without needing the battery. This also works in a car as a normal power inverter. And by the way, it was only $80.

The MBA is a perfect solution for me. I don't watch videos on my laptop, I watch them on my touch. I don't need an optical drive. I never use on the one on my current laptop (other than SW installs, but that has been covered). I need something that is much lighter and smaller than this 17"er that I lug around now.

I just don't think that I can justify the $1800 price point. I can get everything I need out of a base model MB and save $700. I sacrifice 2 pounds, thiness (not all that much) and gain some extra speed in the processor and the HD all with enough left over to pick up my D40X!!!
 

AidenShaw

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Don't worry, Aiden Shaw always does that...

And, Mr. Lawyer always attempts to change the topic when he realizes that his argument is in trouble...

As in this case, replying to a discussion about style similarities between two laptop computers with a chart about operating systems....
 

AidenShaw

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Thats a crap statement. I travel for business and travel extremely long distances (13-15+ hours on planes). I have an extra battery for my 17"PB, but I never really use it. Here is why. I have an airline power adapter and am able to power/charge the laptop without needing the battery.

I never have a problem in business class on trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic flights either. There's always a power adaptor at the seat and in the airlines club lounge.

It's the flight to Chicago, or the all day conference in an auditiorium when I need the extra battery.

sorry about the adjacent posts, I wasn't counting
 

jragosta

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Jun 9, 2004
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I never have a problem in business class on trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic flights either. There's always a power adaptor at the seat and in the airlines club lounge.

It's the flight to Chicago, or the all day conference in an auditiorium when I need the extra battery.

Why in the world would you need an extra battery to get from SF to Chicago? The MBA will easily get you that far.
 

drsmithy

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Sep 13, 2006
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Since when is a docking station a requirement?

For whenever someone doesn't want the hassles of having to do this:

I use my laptop when I'm traveling and a desktop in the office.

Having multiple computers is a massive PITA unless you have a trivially small amount of data to interact with, or said data is extremely static. You might be lucky enough to fall into that category, but a significant proportion of business customers do not. They want a single machine that they can use comfortably at their desks, then sweep into a briefcase without a second thought to take home or on a plane to continue working.

The only people in our entire organisation who have a laptops but not docking stations are the travelling salesmen who are in the office so infrequently they don't even have a desk (and most of them have one at home). Of the few people I've known who have spent a few weeks without a docking station, or have done the two machines thing, they've hated every minute of it - everything from having to plug in the monitor[/keyboard/mouse/network/printer/external drive/cardreader/etc] to turning up to the tenth client's site for the day and realising they forgot to copy a file off their other computer.

Considering a docking station a requirement for a business-targeted laptop is not at all unreasonable.

That's pretty funny. The Vaio is $900 more, tiny screen, dirt slow processor (and Windows as an additional disadvantage).

The Vaio TZ has a processor ~1.5x as fast and a screen <8% smaller than the 12" PB did when it came out in January 2005.

When Tiger came out in April, 2005, how well would you say a 3-month-old 12" PB ran it ? "Slow as dirt", perhaps ? Did the 12" PB have a "tiny screen", or was it big enough ?


Indeed, this comparison really does drive home what Apple *could* have done if they'd updated the 12" PB like people have been asking them to do for 2-3 years now, rather than building a flashy toy for people with too much money.

(It's also a near certainty the Vaio will be updated with a faster CPU in the near future as well - the same one that's gone into the MBA.)

Strange 'rule'. When did they come out with that? And if that were true, why are Apple products consistently related as the most reliable in the industry across the board?

New Apple hardware is renowned for having quirks and/or being replaced by something substantially more capable in fairly short order.
 

jragosta

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Jun 9, 2004
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Considering a docking station a requirement for a business-targeted laptop is not at all unreasonable.

Perhaps for you. Fortunately, the whole world isn't like you. As I've already explained, I don't have a docking station for my laptop - and see no reason why I'd want one. Nor do lots of other people.

You see, the MBA is not Apple's only laptop. If you want all the ports, you can get them.[/QUOTE]



The Vaio TZ has a processor ~1.5x as fast and a screen <8% smaller than the 12" PB did when it came out in January 2005.

It's also a lot faster than my Mac Plus.

If it ever becomes logical to buy a computer by comparing it to a 3 year old model, let me know. For now, the TZ you're bragging about has a smaller screen, a vastly slower processor and a $900 higher price tag than the MBA.
 

AidenShaw

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Do the math

Why in the world would you need an extra battery to get from SF to Chicago? The MBA will easily get you that far.

AA shows the flight from SFO to ORD as 4hr 15min.

Get through security an hour before, work in the lounge. Hope the flight isn't delayed.

Getting *awfully* close to that advertised 5 hour battery life... And if you load the system such that you don't get the 5 hours, you're SOL.
 

jragosta

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AA shows the flight from SFO to ORD as 4hr 15min.

Get through security an hour before, work in the lounge. Hope the flight isn't delayed.

Getting *awfully* close to that advertised 5 hour battery life... And if you load the system such that you don't get the 5 hours, you're SOL.

Every airline lounge I've ever been in has a power outlet.

As for flight time, you can't use the computer for the full time. 4 hr 15 minutes is time from leaving the gate to getting to the gate. Actual computer usage time is AT LEAST half an hour less. Plus, American is one of the worst for padding their estimated flight times, so actual flight time will generally be less.

And if the flight's delayed, more often than not, you'll be in the lounge and not on the plane. In a very few rare cases, you'll be on the plane.

Fortunately for me, I get my work done ahead of time so I don't need to spend every single waking minute on the computer.

Oh, and on American, at least, most of the flights between SFO and ORD have power outlets - even in coach.

I'm still waiting for evidence to back up the claim that you're not going to get the 5 hours. Virtually every recent report says that Apple easily meets their estimated times.
 

AidenShaw

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MacWorld testing showed MacBook Pro LED getting half what Apple claims...

I'm still waiting for evidence to back up the claim that you're not going to get the 5 hours. Virtually every recent report says that Apple easily meets their estimated times.

Apple: (http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html)

o 15-inch MacBook Pro
--- 60-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 6 hours of battery life

MacWorld: (http://www.macworld.com/article/58476/2007/06/macbookprorev.html)

The Santa Rosa chip set, as well as the switch to LED backlighting in the 15-inch models, boosts the MacBook Pros’ battery life.

In our testing, both the 15- and 17-inch models delivered an impressive 3 hours, approximately, of DVD playback. This represents a gain of 11 percent for the 15-inch models and 14 percent for the 17-inch model over the previous generations.

Surprisingly, we didn’t do as well—about 2.5 hours—in our wireless productivity test (writing in Microsoft Word while listening to streaming audio and checking e-mail via AirPort) on the 15-inch unit. Without the streaming audio, however, the batteries lasted just over 3 hours.


In my book, that's pretty good evidence that actually *using* the laptop means that your battery life will be far less than Apple claims. Simply running Word and checking email drops the runtime to half of Apple's claim.



As far as electrical outlets in airport lounges go, we must not go to the same class of airports. The ones I go to usually will have a couple of outlets scattered about, often with white plastic power bricks already plugged into them.

You did say "Every airline lounge I've ever been in has a power outlet" so I suppose that you're correct. One power outlet for the 200 people waiting for the plane, though, isn't very good odds.


And for power in the cabin, it depends on the airline and the plane. (American's 757s and 767s between SFO and ORD have power ports in every 3rd row from the wing to the back, the MD-83 has ports in 15 of 25 rows http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_B.php)

Depending on getting power in the plane isn't much better than in the lounge. The spare battery in my bag is much better for odds.


Except you forget that the airline's math is flawed....

While on the plane you can't use it for the first 20 -30 minutes and last 20-30 minutes of the flight anyway. I also doubt that you would be spending every moment on the plane feverishly taxing you MBA to the max and running the battery low.

The only "math flaw" is believing 100% in Apple's claims about battery life regardless of the use of the system.

The MacWorld test shows the MBP getting 50% of Apple's claim when under light use (Office Word and email, not "feverish use").

50% of the Apple's MBA claim is 2.5 hours. Take your 30 minutes front and back off the 4 1/4 hour plane flight, and that's a potential 3 1/4 hrs on the plane. Use it for 30 minutes at the gate, and that's an easy 3 3/4 hours with a machine with a probable 2 1/2 hour battery using Office to work on my presentations, sort email, maybe do some coding and testing.

My math comes up with two alternatives:
  1. Buy a First Class ticket, where most planes have power ports.
  2. Buy a laptop that lets me swap in a spare battery over Nebraska.
Unfortunately, my company's travel guidelines make #2 the only possibility. Although, even if I could fly First Class all the time I'd still want a battery that I could swap. The SFO->ORD flight isn't the only time I'd want a laptop to go longer than 2 1/2 hours.


While working in the lounge, you can easily plug in, same thing holds true if you are going to be delayed.

Where do you people find these airports that have a power outlet by every seat in the gate waiting area?


'nuf said on this topic - if you don't believe in this use case for a replaceable battery yet, your mind won't change no matter what arguments are made.
 
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