More post processing choices

[stillcrazyman]

@ClintBaber - I'm not sure why your raw images are not getting processed in a good way. It might be an issue with your camera type. ON1 did mention that some camera profiles - especially older ones, may not get the full processing capabilities. You could certainly provide this info to them. Perhaps they could direct you to a solution.

 

[ClintBaber]

@ClintBaber - I'm not sure why your raw images are not getting processed in a good way. It might be an issue with your camera type. ON1 did mention that some camera profiles - especially older ones, may not get the full processing capabilities. You could certainly provide this info to them. Perhaps they could direct you to a solution.

Good point. I will do that. I am sure the fix will come at some point. Like I said LR works fine with these Raws. What is your experience so far?

 

[stillcrazyman]

Good point. I will do that. I am sure the fix will come at some point. Like I said LR works fine with these Raws. What is your experience so far?

So far, ON1 RAW is alright. It's missing some features, but the ones that are implemented seem to work well. I do like the program and it's ability to process raw images. That's the whole point with the new program.
The effects and editing tools will be added and improved over the next few months. I can live with that. Others have written differently about their experiences.

So for now, I'll use both ON1 RAW and ON1 Photo 10 to edit my photos. I may even get a full version of Luminar to add to my set of tools. I still have Lightroom if I want to torture myself

 

[MCAsan]

I had earlier versions of On1 Photo because Lr had a library and basic develo module ' however, Lr does not have the more advanced processing abilities such as dynamic contrast and layers. So if I can one stop shopping at Photo RAW by mid 2017, that will be great. Macphun customers might get the same when Luminar adds their browser/dam.

Always good to have choices.

 

[maflynn]

So if I can one stop shopping at Photo RAW by mid 2017

Do you think that we'll see some of that in the newer version or LR in 2017?

 

[MCAsan]

Once On1 gets the migration tool ready. I have yet to hear of an Lr that does the range of features in RAW. Of course some folks will prefer the raw conversion and feature set in Lr, C1P, or other packages. I want 1 app for 90% of my images. I understand I may need other apps for special tasks like focus stacking, HDR, or others. I do not like doing raw conversions in Lr and basic edit and having to round trip to another app only to get a TIF or PSD back. I want one raw and 1 or more sidecars (1 for each version of the image).

 

[stillcrazyman]

Once On1 gets the migration tool ready. I have yet to hear of an Lr that does the range of features in RAW. Of course some folks will prefer the raw conversion and feature set in Lr, C1P, or other packages. I want 1 app for 90% of my images. I understand I may need other apps for special tasks like focus stacking, HDR, or others. I do not like doing raw conversions in Lr and basic edit and having to round trip to another app only to get a TIF or PSD back. I want one raw and 1 or more sidecars (1 for each version of the image).

I think we might be looking for the proverbial 'unicorn'.

 

[MCAsan]

Miracles happen every day.

 

[HantaYo]

I think we might be looking for the proverbial 'unicorn'.

I just saw one in the forest, but unfortunately my camera battery was dead and the only proof I have is my memory. Keep believing because they are out there

 

[robgendreau]

Once On1 gets the migration tool ready. I have yet to hear of an Lr that does the range of features in RAW. Of course some folks will prefer the raw conversion and feature set in Lr, C1P, or other packages. I want 1 app for 90% of my images. I understand I may need other apps for special tasks like focus stacking, HDR, or others. I do not like doing raw conversions in Lr and basic edit and having to round trip to another app only to get a TIF or PSD back. I want one raw and 1 or more sidecars (1 for each version of the image).

I doubt Lr will ever do some of the features you've mentioned in the analysis of Photo RAW and Luminar. Layers, for example. That's what Ps is for. I guess many here only have the Lr stand-alone so perhaps a layer capable add-on to Lr would be great (I think the easier to use layers in Macphun's stuff are great, even though I do have Ps and use it for more complicated stuff). A notch above Luminar and Photo RAW is of course Affinity Photo; it has some cool new focus stacking features for example. But I doubt any of these will approach Lr in the DAM end of things. Even C1P took forever to get just hierarchical keywords, and Mylio still doesn't have 'em.

But query why an Lr-like DAM is even necessary these days? One can do an awful lot of organizing with just something like Photo Mechanic, or even just Graphic Converter. And the Finder. And you can always use Lr for free, just sans the Develop, Map and Lr Mobile features. That leaves all you'd need to work around the absence of a DAM in DxO, Macphun, Photo RAW, Billy Bob's Bait and Photo Editor, etc. So stop waiting for that unicorn; it looks pretty but may not be that necessary.

 

[maflynn]

But query why an Lr-like DAM is even necessary these days? One can do an awful lot of organizing with just something like Photo Mechanic, or even just Graphic Converter.

Interesting points.

Can those apps, rate a given photo, i.e., 5 stars, or 3 stars? Can they also easily keyword a given photo? The DAM features of LightRoom are such that I'm having trouble finding a replacement.

I use smart collections quite a bit, and rely on ratings and keywords. I also in the past used a color label as well, and then filtered the collection based on what ever I was trying to accomplish.

When I looked at Capture 1, I was very impressed with its RAW rendering and editing capabilities, but its keywording is rudimentary, and lack of smart collections or other similar type tools limited its appeal to me.

 

[r.harris1]

Interesting points.

Can those apps, rate a given photo, i.e., 5 stars, or 3 stars? Can they also easily keyword a given photo? The DAM features of LightRoom are such that I'm having trouble finding a replacement.

I use smart collections quite a bit, and rely on ratings and keywords. I also in the past used a color label as well, and then filtered the collection based on what ever I was trying to accomplish.

When I looked at Capture 1, I was very impressed with its RAW rendering and editing capabilities, but its keywording is rudimentary, and lack of smart collections or other similar type tools limited its appeal to me.

Not familiar with the other ones mentioned but Photo Mechanic definitely does do ratings and very easily allows keywording on photos. In fact, I'm not sure I've seen its equal in the metadata space. The UI is fairly outdated, but the functionality is stellar. It's also lightening fast, certainly more so than what I've experienced in LR.

 

[ClintBaber]

Not familiar with the other ones mentioned but Photo Mechanic definitely does do ratings and very easily allows keywording on photos. In fact, I'm not sure I've seen its equal in the metadata space. The UI is fairly outdated, but the functionality is stellar. It's also lightening fast, certainly more so than what I've experienced in LR.

I agree about the UI in Photo Mechanic, sometimes I think they stop caring about it. The performance is pretty good. I stick with Aperture for most of my photo management. Way better than Lr and better than Photos for sure.

 

[robgendreau]

Interesting points.

Can those apps, rate a given photo, i.e., 5 stars, or 3 stars? Can they also easily keyword a given photo? The DAM features of LightRoom are such that I'm having trouble finding a replacement.

I use smart collections quite a bit, and rely on ratings and keywords. I also in the past used a color label as well, and then filtered the collection based on what ever I was trying to accomplish.

When I looked at Capture 1, I was very impressed with its RAW rendering and editing capabilities, but its keywording is rudimentary, and lack of smart collections or other similar type tools limited its appeal to me.

If by "those apps" you mean browsers, sure. Many don't do hierarchical keywords though. Photo Mechanic can, and is far better than Lr for extensive entry of keywords, locations, and other metadata. WAY better, but more for entry than finding and organizing; most use it with Lr. Graphic Converter can do keywords and labels, and ratings, and even some more sophisticated metadata operations than Lr. If you are comfortable with Terminal, exiftool can do even more (and there are plugins that let you use within Lr). FastRawViewer is also great for ratings, picking and so on. Mylio too, although again no hierarchical keywords.

One key thing to understand is that in the area of flags/picks, labels, and ratings there aren't the same standards as for other metadata. As those of us who migrated from Aperture discovered. Easy enough (and sometimes preferable) to use keywords for the same info.

Also, collections, albums and other virtual containers aren't as often replicated in the browsers. Mylio and Bridge can do them, not Graphic Converter. GC works pretty much just with the filesystem, although its filtering and batching is fast and accurate. And you lose stuff that is often overlooked, esp publishing, printing and so on. But the browsers are often worth having for certain tasks where it's just easier to accomplish something than in Lr. Like Mylio's synching, or GC's dexterity with file conversions and metadata changes.

 

[OreoCookie]

I doubt Lr will ever do some of the features you've mentioned in the analysis of Photo RAW and Luminar. [...] I guess many here only have the Lr stand-alone so perhaps a layer capable add-on to Lr would be great (I think the easier to use layers in Macphun's stuff are great, even though I do have Ps and use it for more complicated stuff). [...] But query why an Lr-like DAM is even necessary these days?

Because competition always improves all products, and because none of the apps you mention address a pain point that most DAMs have: good photo management and a good UI. In fact, many (such as Photo Mechanic and On1) eschew the management bit by design, and while that may be a great fit for some, it's exactly what others want and therefore find them lacking. Personally I can say that I want the app to take care of file management (and ideally I would like to retain the option to do it manually).

Layers, for example. That's what Ps is for.

I disagree, why shouldn't layers be available in some form in an app like Lightroom? The distinction only makes sense from a historical perspective, but why should the editing capabilities in you favorite DAM not include some form of layering?

 

[Ray2]

I tend to agree with oreocookie. For me, DAM is the deciding point. Some of the points above don't address the fact that Lightroom has superb DAM. It may not be Aperture, may not be perfect, but it's a very broad set of tools and capabilities that no existing photo app can come close to matching.

Editing apps are all over the place. If a specific RAW type is better served my an Iridient or C1 (I use both, shoot Fuji XTrans), then it's quite easy to "edit in" with Lightroom and make a seemless round trip.

I'll stay abreast of these new developments as more competition breeds better apps. But to move from Lightroom is going to take a very solid DAM offering. Yes, people can use the Finder or browsers. Why would I ever want to do that?

 

[ClintBaber]

Here is another example from on1 and Lr. Hopefully they read this and will address the issue. No reason for me to even consider using the new on1 Raw if the initial conversion is buggy I would love to see examples from other users in this thread. Please share.

On1 Photo Raw

Lightroom

 

[maflynn]

Here is another example from on1 and Lr.

Are these untouched examples, i.e., what the initial RAW processing is showing? I ask because I see in both cases highlights set to -100 for both images.

 

[OreoCookie]

I tend to agree with oreocookie. For me, DAM is the deciding point. Some of the points above don't address the fact that Lightroom has superb DAM. It may not be Aperture, may not be perfect, but it's a very broad set of tools and capabilities that no existing photo app can come close to matching.

I think that's a good point, although Lightroom's opinionated UI design — and that's not a criticism — means that it is not everyone's cup of tea. For that reason, a similarly well-designed alternative would be great, in the Aperture 1–2 era, Adobe and Apple really duked it out. Not only giving choice to consumers, but also accelerating progress in the mean time.

But to move from Lightroom is going to take a very solid DAM offering. Yes, people can use the Finder or browsers. Why would I ever want to do that?

Yup. Although such people exist in enough quantity for Adobe to offer an in-house alternative to Lightroom with Bridge.

 

[ClintBaber]

Are these untouched examples, i.e., what the initial RAW processing is showing? I ask because I see in both cases highlights set to -100 for both images.

That is how it opens by default. Am I doing something wrong?

 

[maflynn]

That is how it opens by default. Am I doing something wrong?

I'm not the person to say you did anything wrong, its odd in both cases that the highlights are defaulting to -100.

Since its just as you imported, i will agree that On1 is not handling your examples very well.

 

[MCAsan]

That is how it opens by default. Am I doing something wrong?

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That is how it opens by default. Am I doing something wrong?

File a trouble ticket at On1 and see what they say.

 

[airbusking]

I would like your opinions / insight. I am searching for photo editing software, I just ended my subscription to Lr and thought On1 RAW just might be it ..... NOT. All I'll say is On1 has a great marketing staff. I have an iMac and canon 70D, what would you recommend? I am not a fan of the subscription model so I'll stay away from Lr. Any pro or cons with Affinity? Other? I am a novice in photography, a hobby not a business. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

 

[Macphun Team]

I would like your opinions / insight. I am searching for photo editing software, I just ended my subscription to Lr and thought On1 RAW just might be it ..... NOT. All I'll say is On1 has a great marketing staff. I have an iMac and canon 70D, what would you recommend? I am not a fan of the subscription model so I'll stay away from Lr. Any pro or cons with Affinity? Other? I am a novice in photography, a hobby not a business. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

You know we can't miss an opportunity to suggest you try Luminar for Mac (macphun.com/luminar). There's a free trial available and the software has a lot of great tools to offer (no DAM yet, but we are working on bringing it to Luminar in 2017). Take a look and check for yourself. If you have questions, email Alex at alex@macphun.com, I am happy to assist.

Alex

 

[stillcrazyman]

@airbusking - I ended up paying for the full version of Luminar. For a 1.0.1 release, it's stable, fast and has a lot of great editing features right from the get go. I'm looking forward to incorporating it into my workflow. I also am getting away from the Lr system. I've been using ON1 Photo 10.5 (don't worry about their RAW just yet) and various trials of other programs.
Certainly, any program has room for improvement. Luminar, ON1, and others - they all do.