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Standards

Originally posted by tompatros
They could make a browser out of a monkey, some flash cards and a blue highlighter for all I care, as long as it is W3C COMPLIANT. Please don't make all the designers + developers of the world have to worry about yet another browser with its own idiosyncracies.
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Funny. LOL. Seriously. But aside from that, you have no need to worry. Chimera is the Gecko engine with an OS X native GUI. In other words, it's essentially 100% standards compliant.
 
Re: Chimera usability

Originally posted by Zaren
The latest update of Chimera rocks.

I'd agree with that... if not for the fact that Chimera crashed on me one night, and hasn't managed to restart since then. It launches, shows the splash screen... and that's it. Force quit every time to get out of it.

This is Chimera 0.6, Dec. 4th build, running on 10.2.2. I'm now using Mozilla 1.2.1, which is a damned sight improved from the 1.1 beta I was running previously.
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Save your bookmark file and trash the chimera folder and its preferences. It should work after that.
 
I agree that Apple needs a browser of it's own. I've been hoping for one for quite awhile.

I also agree that Apple needs Microsoft, but Microsoft also needs Apple. Microsoft would probably be fine in not having Mac compatible versions, although it could be like trying to kill of the Mac.

Consumers are very, well...consumer oriented. They see 2.66 Ghz on a computer compared to a dual 1.25Ghz computer, and they automatically think it's faster, regardless of whether it is or not. When they see IE or MS Office on the Mac, they see that as an upside. They don't know that Appleworks and other browsers will probably work just fine for their needs.

If Apple does come out with it's own browser or an MS Office competing Appleworks, I don't think it is going to hurt Microsoft all that much, as long as it is still available for the Mac. Apple's campaign can become one of "here's the app we give you, but if you want to go get something else, go ahead". Microsoft just forces the user to use their products, and doesn't want you to use anything else. Apple can give you choices.

The reason I don't see Microsoft abandoning the Mac platform, is because that can be a marketing thing. "IE and MS Office compatible with both PC's and Macs". Sure, some people wouldn't go Mac if they didn't see IE and MS Office, but if it is still available to them, then that would be good for both sides. Heck, people could start using an Apple browser and Appleworks, and find it suits their needs perfectly. I honestly don't see Microsoft discontinuing IE or MS Office for the Mac. I just think the pricing for MS Office sucks, and that Apple doesn't like it either. Apple wants to put something out there that their users can use, and not have to pay nearly $500 more for (sorry, don't mean to wander away from the web browser).

Besides, if there is still IE compatibility, people can just go download it. No problems.

-Natron
 
autofill rocks the house

gimme autofill on Chimera and its a done deal. I agree about the flagrant Microsoft bashing, especially about IE. It's a fine browser, and has some rather nice features. I am currently using Chimera however, because it seems a bit faster, and i'll admit it, I like the way it feels.
 
Tabs.

It's all about tabbed browsing. Once you've used those, you're hooked. I keep IE around just because there's some sites I visit that have old browser recognition scripts ( Mozilla 1.2.1 reads as Netscape 6. Idiots.), but I love my tabs.

I don't think that this feature will migrate to IE as a Microsoft "innovation". Windows users are too accustomed to either alt-tabbing through active IE windows or clicking on the task bar for each one. The idea that one window may show multiple pages make cause them to seize up a la "Scanners". :)
 
Re: Blog?

Originally posted by Schlomo
Boy.. I was hoping to find some juicy bits in that weblog.. what a snore it was to read.. I guess SJ and company wouldnt like it too much if he was talking about his project at Apple.
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if your caught talking about stuff your fired automatically.

iJon
 
"Long-time Apple fans will remember that Apple had marketed their own browser years ago - Cyberdog... which was subsequently discontinued along with their OpenDoc technology."

Nooo... not this one again! Cyberdog was not a web browser, it was an OpenDoc container application that just happened to support web browsing abilities. I can just see the headlines next year:

Apple Releases Second Web Browser After Failed First Effort

Please spare us this fate. It was bad enough to lose OpenDoc without it being called a "web browser."
 
Originally posted by sparkleytone
sorry but i dont see it happening. chimera is fine...so is ie. just dont see it happening. ie crashes no more than its windows counterpart.
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I have to disagree with you there. On both points.

But more specifically about windows IE crashing as much as OS X IE.

Windows IE is much more stable than IE on the mac. I use both all day long(mac OS X and win 98se). IE on windows will crash about once a week, IE on mac once a day(at least).

The major diffrence???? When IE on OS X crashes, i don't have to reboot. :D

EDIT: and on the xp machines i've used, i haven't had IE crash yet.
 
IE on windows/Mac

I use IE on various forms of windows at work, and on my OS X machine at home. IE on Widows, crashes at least once a day if not more. I might get IE to crash once a week on my computer. The only time it crashed more was when I was having some technical problems with the machine. Now its smooth.

I would love an Apple browser. I would love to have the integration between it and other iApps.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Re: IE on windows/Mac

Originally posted by Wyvernspirit
I use IE on various forms of windows at work, and on my OS X machine at home. IE on Widows, crashes at least once a day if not more. I might get IE to crash once a week on my computer. The only time it crashed more was when I was having some technical problems with the machine. Now its smooth.

I would love an Apple browser. I would love to have the integration between it and other iApps.

Just my 2 cents.
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I'm quite stunned. While i've had many problems with windows in general (grrrrrr:mad: lousy windows), IE hasn't given me too much trouble on win platforms(aside from being a memory hog). I usually have a minumum of 2 browser windows open at a time. And IE on my mac quits much more than on my windows machines(and is slow as hell on the mac). Of the 5 browsers i have on my pc's i find IE the best experience.

On my mac its Chimera hands down no contest. Fast and stable.
Just wish it had better flash support but its javascript and css support is better than IE.
 
Re: well...

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
When the Apple browser comes out, whta do you think it would be called? I can see it being called;

PHONEIX
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Why would it be named after a city in Arizona?

Anyway, I suggest:

iBrowse

(Remember, you heard it here first)
 
Originally posted by rugby


Actually iTunes was SoundJam from Cassidy and Green along with CD Master from Radialogic. Apple bought both proggies and combined them into the beast that iTunes is today.
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You got me! Thanks for the correction. I should have known better, seeing as I loved that program with all my heart. 8)

Dan
 
Re: Standards

Originally posted by Frobozz


Funny. LOL. Seriously. But aside from that, you have no need to worry. Chimera is the Gecko engine with an OS X native GUI. In other words, it's essentially 100% standards compliant.
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Until MS starts using their market clout to 'innovate' standards to work with their browser more than another-- which is why I think Apple should tippy toe quietly into their presentation of a chimera based browser, and even keep MSIE around. Because MS is not beyond giving people site building tools that would automatically check to see if Explorer is running. I know it is conceptually ridiculous for any one to limit their served content to only one browser, but that doesn't keep people or corporations from doing so.

Its a bit like OpenGL and ActiveX... doesn't really matter how open OpenGL is if everyone is coding for ActiveX.
 
iBrowse sounds too much like a bad joke waiting to happen(eye brows). Maybe ibrowser, but still sounds funny. But why does it have to be "i" something? As long as it works I don't care what they call it.
 
Hmm, i can see the possibilities for an Apple Browser. I just downloaded OpenDoc and CyberDog, and they did some cool stuff. I like how it has that opening page with search, explore, news, appletalk, etc. The whole thing is just too cute, its ashamed to see it abandoned :(

EDIT: I am currently posting this through CyberDog in OS X's classic mode.
 
Originally posted by alset
One other note - was anyone else disappointed that OpenDoc didn't succeed? Of course, I know why it didn't work during it's time... But it's a great coincidence that it was brought up after I had been reminiscing about it, along with CyberDog, just today.
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not a day goes by that i don't wish apple had kept opendoc alive. services are a joke. that report on an apple branded web browser got me all sentimental, and i went and installed opendoc and cyberdog on my 9.2.2 system. that technology was so far ahead of it's time, i'm still not quite sure what caused it to bust. i'm hoping that the only reason apple did not let brad hutchings continue development is because they are going to resurect it themselves (fat chance).

on to the browser. if apple was going to release chimera as it's own, wouldnt developing it alongside the actual chimera project be a waste of effort? either they'll wait until it's done and bundle it, or take over work from the devs.

but... let me direct you to this thread, where i made a wild assumption that sherlock will grow to include chimera as a built-in browser/help-viewer.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15193

as far as the name is concerned, i think that it would be a great opportunity to unleash Cyberdog 4.0 (i've heard that there were internal builds of cybie 3). if not, how about eWorld? apple is not beyond using defunct names for new products, just look at cocoa (it was origionally their ide for letting kids make simple games).
 
Waste of resources

I don't believe Apple is going to release its own browser, nor should it.

Most other browsers don't come anywhere close enough to be compatible with IE for Windows to be used by those of us where this is an issue. There are instances of differences between IE Mac and Windows, but for the most part it's close enough. Hell, some sites check the browser type and don't let any other browser into the site.

No other browser is ready for prime-time and is comparable to the latest IE. Most people point to Chimera or whatever and praise Tabbed Windows and Popup blocking, but I see those features being added to IE for the Mac much more likely to occur than the things missing from Chimera.

Why should Apple dedicate resources to this? There's no revenue in it for them, and they'd be competing against Microsoft...which is a no win situation. Let's say Apple only includes its own (integrated) browser, and people adopt it. Microsoft would discontinue development. There would be one browser for the Mac, Apple would be forced to continue development and costs associated with it...as opposed to letting 3rd parties develop and compete with MS, thus offering users choice.

From Apple's perspective, how much better could a browser be? It would have to be a lot better, not just slightly better. Having MS software available for the Mac is a huge thing for some people. Seeing the "e" logo is meaningful. It would be one thing if an Apple Browser totally kicked butt so significantly that Apple could show it off in demos and commercials, but that just isn't going to happen.

BTW: for a variety of reasons I prefer IE for the Mac to IE for Windows. There's only one thing that will crash IE for the Mac. It sometimes crashes when I use the browser to open a file that is in the process of being written to disk.
 
Re: Re: whynot?

Originally posted by sparkleytone


of course they didnt...they hired him to work on the Apple Help app.
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I am one the Apple Help discussion list and Mr. Hyatt is not on it.


I think he is working on a web browser for the new digital device that is coming ;•)
 
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