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MOSR: Apple Web Browser
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Re: Remeber...
[Winds up un-used apple trademarks machine]
iPhone, Yup it has nothing to do with phones but it will confuse the enemy.
Hehehe, I like more of a iSurf .
Yeah that or.
[Winds up un-used apple trademarks machine]
iPhone, Yup it has nothing to do with phones but it will confuse the enemy.
Hehehe, I like more of a iSurf .
ummmmmmm......
Phoenix is already a browser and they're changing it's name in January because there is yet another browser called Phoenix so I don't think Apple will adopt that name anytime soon.....
Netscape
What, am I the only person here who uses Netscape?
And since I'm one of the financially strapped Mac folks still using a pre-OSX system, I'm glad Netscape builds in email functions.
There are occasional crashes, true enough, but in general I like "my father's browser." (Actually, my father uses IE on Wintel, and I'm always preaching otherwise.)
Has anyone here even tried the latest Netscape version 7??
What, am I the only person here who uses Netscape?
And since I'm one of the financially strapped Mac folks still using a pre-OSX system, I'm glad Netscape builds in email functions.
There are occasional crashes, true enough, but in general I like "my father's browser." (Actually, my father uses IE on Wintel, and I'm always preaching otherwise.)
Has anyone here even tried the latest Netscape version 7??
I always (well i switched only about a year ago) used IE on the Mac until i downloaded Mozilla 1.2.1 a couple of days ago. I find it quite good; the look and feel is way better than IE, and once it is started (very very long start) it is at least as fast as IE, and it doesn't crash every now and then. Now as other people on that thread have said, to do online banking and some other stuff, i have to go back to IE, but i try to do it as rarely as possible. But the thing is IE doesn't always work perfectly on the Mac either. So for me it is Mozilla (80%) and IE(20%).
But even so, i would love an Apple Browser based on a good rendering engine (gecko ?) that would be part of the OS. Because other apps have to render web pages (Help, Mail.app when you receive a html message, etc...) and OS X would benefit a lot from tight integration of the rendering engine (I know it sounds awfully familiar with the IE/Windows, but that's probably the way forward for Apple).
My 2 cents
NicoMan
But even so, i would love an Apple Browser based on a good rendering engine (gecko ?) that would be part of the OS. Because other apps have to render web pages (Help, Mail.app when you receive a html message, etc...) and OS X would benefit a lot from tight integration of the rendering engine (I know it sounds awfully familiar with the IE/Windows, but that's probably the way forward for Apple).
My 2 cents
NicoMan
The thing that annoys me to no end about IE on the Mac is that it is not 100% compatible with IE on Windows. The cde is so different from IE on Windows that most servers think it is a Netscape browser. Lotus Notes webmail doesn't work with it at all (by the way, NO Mac web browser works with it ... very annoying because I can't access my work e-mail from my iMac at home.)
So there's absolutely no reason to stay with IE. It doesn't take advantage of Quartz. It's slower than Mozilla, Chimera, OmniWeb, etc. Let it die. No one will miss it.
So there's absolutely no reason to stay with IE. It doesn't take advantage of Quartz. It's slower than Mozilla, Chimera, OmniWeb, etc. Let it die. No one will miss it.
Re: Netscape
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but under osx, netscape and mozilla are bloated and slow (we already have a mail app and a chat app and an irc app, so about the only other useful feature is the html editor and xul is much slower in x). chimera also renders faster than moz or ns, so in x, there's really no point of using netscape.
i use netscape 7 under 9.2.2 and it works excellently (i love how you can choose which features to install, unlike the monolithic mozilla builds, although i like moz a little better). xul is very fast under os9 and i find ns7 to be the best classic browser (although cyberdog does a lot of my surfing for sentimental reasons
)but under osx, netscape and mozilla are bloated and slow (we already have a mail app and a chat app and an irc app, so about the only other useful feature is the html editor and xul is much slower in x). chimera also renders faster than moz or ns, so in x, there's really no point of using netscape.
Browser change
Well that was me 2 days ago. Intrigued by (almost) everyone saying how great Chimera is, i gave it a go (that's the beauty with OSX, you can install and uninstall applications so easily without too much rubbish left on your HD, and even then it is really easy to find it and delete it), along with Netscape 7.
Well I've been bowled over by Chimera !!!
Sure it is not full featured yet but it does the job for 80% of my browsing, and this with a responsiveness equivalent to that of IE6 on a fast Windows PC (my opinion anyway).
Keep up the good work Chimera, and hopefully we will have a proper browsing experience... whether it is under the Apple or Chimera name .
NicoMan
Well that was me 2 days ago. Intrigued by (almost) everyone saying how great Chimera is, i gave it a go (that's the beauty with OSX, you can install and uninstall applications so easily without too much rubbish left on your HD, and even then it is really easy to find it and delete it), along with Netscape 7.
Well I've been bowled over by Chimera !!!
Sure it is not full featured yet but it does the job for 80% of my browsing, and this with a responsiveness equivalent to that of IE6 on a fast Windows PC (my opinion anyway).
Keep up the good work Chimera, and hopefully we will have a proper browsing experience... whether it is under the Apple or Chimera name
.NicoMan
Just call it Browser, like Mail is called Mail. The iApps are geared to consumers, not things like Mail, which are for all users.
With all luck, they won't pull an M$ on us and make it so the browser can't be unintsalled - then again, beez did it with iChat, so why not?
With all luck, they won't pull an M$ on us and make it so the browser can't be unintsalled - then again, beez did it with iChat, so why not?
I have used Opera a fair bit. I think it's nowhere near as fast or as polished as Chimera. I know some people are jazzed on it, but considering how long it has been around, I would have expected much more from it by now. I believe the only feature it has that Chimera lacks is autocomplete, and Chimera has some things Opera lacks.
Yeah, I'm just not swayed.
Chris
I think that an Apple-branded browser would be awesome, and based on Chimera is the way to go, but I think you are all way off on the name.
The only thing Apple would name their web browser would be the most obvious name in the world:
WEB
And they won't need to pull a M$ and make it the only browser that works. All they do is make it the best, like iTunes, and no one will want to use anything else. Besides, they have nothing to lose, since it will be free, and they could gain a lot from it. Just imagine when eveery commercial or print ad that shows a web site has the Mac OS X menubar and the Apple symbol on the browser, because all the advertising companies are using Web to browse the web anyways.
JW
The only thing Apple would name their web browser would be the most obvious name in the world:
WEB
And they won't need to pull a M$ and make it the only browser that works. All they do is make it the best, like iTunes, and no one will want to use anything else. Besides, they have nothing to lose, since it will be free, and they could gain a lot from it. Just imagine when eveery commercial or print ad that shows a web site has the Mac OS X menubar and the Apple symbol on the browser, because all the advertising companies are using Web to browse the web anyways.
JW
Lotus notes is available for the Mac.
You can download a trial version here:
http://www14.software.ibm.com/webap...2002-12-22+21:25:15.330517R&S_TACT=&S_CMP=&s=
Opera
Opera is a fast browser, but it lacks javascript support.
It doesn't even open a new window properly! I'll try Opera when you can call it finished...
I'm sorry but I disagree.
Opera is a fast browser, but it lacks javascript support.
It doesn't even open a new window properly! I'll try Opera when you can call it finished...
I don't think so. One thing that made me switch to Apple was the existence of apps with no conection to Windowsland (i.e iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iTunes, etc). I like the idea of a Mac-only browser and when I got my Pismo (what a beautiful quasi-organic piece of tech) I was thinking there was a Apple browser mostly because that myth who states the Mac and Windows world hates each other. I wasn't expecting to find the mac counterparts of ie and office. Chimera seems pretty fast for me and with IE getting older and older for mac, I guess it'll be my main browser in the next months.
Techné.
Q: About bookmarks...
Hi,
I have a question. I really don't know anything about Chimera, Opera, iCab, etc. I do use OSX IE and AOL OSX.
Could Apple create a Browser that allowed you to save the bookmarks in one safe, easily accessible document on your computer (accessible in, say, the program's preference window), and portable to other iApps, capable of being backed up to .Mac, and/or even to some iPod so you can carry them with you (and not have to worry about losing the bookmarks?)
My main concern has been that although I have OS X (ver. 10.1.5) that I have had to reinstall the operating system several times over the course of owning this version of OS X due to problems I had (and got fixed) with the old hardware. As a result, I lost bookmarks accumulated at least a few times.
So, with that in mind, having a portable Bookmarks file, (I would think) might be cool so you didn't have to track down website addresses should you be using a friend's mac, or even a new mac.
Please let me know what you think. Thanks!
Hi,
I have a question. I really don't know anything about Chimera, Opera, iCab, etc. I do use OSX IE and AOL OSX.
Could Apple create a Browser that allowed you to save the bookmarks in one safe, easily accessible document on your computer (accessible in, say, the program's preference window), and portable to other iApps, capable of being backed up to .Mac, and/or even to some iPod so you can carry them with you (and not have to worry about losing the bookmarks?)
My main concern has been that although I have OS X (ver. 10.1.5) that I have had to reinstall the operating system several times over the course of owning this version of OS X due to problems I had (and got fixed) with the old hardware. As a result, I lost bookmarks accumulated at least a few times.
So, with that in mind, having a portable Bookmarks file, (I would think) might be cool so you didn't have to track down website addresses should you be using a friend's mac, or even a new mac.
Please let me know what you think. Thanks!
Re: Q: About bookmarks...
Almost all browsers have a XML, HTML or some kind of text file database for bookmarks. For Safari, look in your user directory->Library->Safari->Bookmarks.plist
For Explorer, look in your user directory->Library->Preferences->Explorer->Favorites.html
I highly recommend keeping your user Library backed up, which would include these files. My entire user Library is only 215MB, your mileage may vary, but I think for most people it should easily fit on one CD.
Originally posted by GeneR
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Could Apple create a Browser that allowed you to save the bookmarks in one safe, easily accessible document on your computer (accessible in, say, the program's preference window), and portable to other iApps, capable of being backed up to .Mac, and/or even to some iPod so you can carry them with you (and not have to worry about losing the bookmarks?)
(snip)
Please let me know what you think. Thanks!
Almost all browsers have a XML, HTML or some kind of text file database for bookmarks. For Safari, look in your user directory->Library->Safari->Bookmarks.plist
For Explorer, look in your user directory->Library->Preferences->Explorer->Favorites.html
I highly recommend keeping your user Library backed up, which would include these files. My entire user Library is only 215MB, your mileage may vary, but I think for most people it should easily fit on one CD.
Bookmark organizing in Safari
I somehow got the impression safari would have "itunes like" seaching of bookmarks... if that is the case I haven't figured it out. iTunes 1.0 maybe.
The field I thought that was used to seach bookmarks is actually a google web search.
I would love to sort through the bookmarks by name and by URL, to help corral them into meaningful groups. I was half expecting a wildcard browse type of function that searches the bookmarks in a wildcard fashion like itunes, reducing the number of bookmarks available to choose from. (Safari imported over 500 bookmarks)
I would also like a bot that would run through a set of URLs, and report dead links. I used to keep an applescript around that would open multiple windows for a text list of URLs.
I somehow got the impression safari would have "itunes like" seaching of bookmarks... if that is the case I haven't figured it out. iTunes 1.0 maybe.
The field I thought that was used to seach bookmarks is actually a google web search.
I would love to sort through the bookmarks by name and by URL, to help corral them into meaningful groups. I was half expecting a wildcard browse type of function that searches the bookmarks in a wildcard fashion like itunes, reducing the number of bookmarks available to choose from. (Safari imported over 500 bookmarks)
I would also like a bot that would run through a set of URLs, and report dead links. I used to keep an applescript around that would open multiple windows for a text list of URLs.