I think this thread alone is a good indicator that there is support for mouse support and that there is a use for it. It would have no impact on any one who doesn't want a mouse. Win-Win as far as I can see.
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iPad Mouse Support - The Missing Elephant
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You don't need a physical keyboard in order to actually use the iPad. You don't need a stylus either. Many people, myself included, choose those peripherals because they make using iPads better for a whole variety of reasons. Many people don't. My entire family is iPad only and none of them even uses a keyboard, and they're perfectly happy with their setups.
There's no reason for Apple to not introduce mouse support as an optional accessory, much like the pencil and keyboard are, for those of us who would find it valuable. Obviously they wouldn't make mouse usage mandatory like it is on macOS, so those of us who wouldn't need it can just go on as they currently are and happily ignore it. Personally I'd love to use my Magic Mouse on iOS. I'd probably even spring for a trackpad if they implement it right.
On a side note, I've never understood it when people argue against the addition of a software feature when its existence can just be totally ignored if you don't need it. It just seems like such a waste of energy! People who don't use the Apple Pencil aren't negatively affected by its existence in the ipad ecosystem. Like let us have our mice, you don't need to use one if you don't want it
There's no reason for Apple to not introduce mouse support as an optional accessory, much like the pencil and keyboard are, for those of us who would find it valuable. Obviously they wouldn't make mouse usage mandatory like it is on macOS, so those of us who wouldn't need it can just go on as they currently are and happily ignore it. Personally I'd love to use my Magic Mouse on iOS. I'd probably even spring for a trackpad if they implement it right.
On a side note, I've never understood it when people argue against the addition of a software feature when its existence can just be totally ignored if you don't need it. It just seems like such a waste of energy! People who don't use the Apple Pencil aren't negatively affected by its existence in the ipad ecosystem. Like let us have our mice, you don't need to use one if you don't want it
Apple knows everyone wants a trackpad or mouse support...they will use each and every one of you for more profit when this becomes their last resort feature to make iPad seem like a real laptop replacement. It's a shame they do this to their dedicated iPad fanboys.
I agree on just about everything. And mouse/trackpad support would threaten to cannibalize the low(er) end MacBook market, I imagine.
You don't need a physical keyboard in order to actually use the iPad. You don't need a stylus either. Many people, myself included, choose those peripherals because they make using iPads better for a whole variety of reasons. Many people don't. My entire family is iPad only and none of them even uses a keyboard, and they're perfectly happy with their setups.
There's no reason for Apple to not introduce mouse support as an optional accessory, much like the pencil and keyboard are, for those of us who would find it valuable. Obviously they wouldn't make mouse usage mandatory like it is on macOS, so those of us who wouldn't need it can just go on as they currently are and happily ignore it. Personally I'd love to use my Magic Mouse on iOS. I'd probably even spring for a trackpad if they implement it right.
On a side note, I've never understood it when people argue against the addition of a software feature when its existence can just be totally ignored if you don't need it. It just seems like such a waste of energy! People who don't use the Apple Pencil aren't negatively affected by its existence in the ipad ecosystem. Like let us have our mice, you don't need to use one if you don't want it
Exactly.
And who the heck needs an Apple Pencil when you have 10 fingers and 10 toes??
I have a hard time understanding why a mouse could do more than an apple pencil. I am only on a medium tech ability level tho so maybe its just me. I have a Magic Mouse to use on my mbp and when using it to edit my photos (affinity photo) I find I like the ipad/pencil better. On my mbp, if I need to zoom into the photo, I use the magic mouse but there is that gesture capability with your fingers on the ipad screen. And that pencil does the same on my ipad for tasks even beyond photo editing, as the mouse does on my mbp. And my point is, this narrows down the need for apple to add ipad mouse support for just a niche group of users.
i've always longed for mouse support, but the more i think about it the more i wonder how cumbersome a mouse might be on an ipad, even the 12.9.
i question this because i've been using the Pencil as a mouse alternative for the last year or so to such brilliant use and finite precision it really does make me second guess if i'd now use a mouse. to that end, give the Pencil a button or 2 then that really would be dandy
i question this because i've been using the Pencil as a mouse alternative for the last year or so to such brilliant use and finite precision it really does make me second guess if i'd now use a mouse. to that end, give the Pencil a button or 2 then that really would be dandy
The beauty of adding mouse support is that you could do it all. No need to choose between mouse or pencil. Use either or none or both. The iPad Pro itself is a niche product so I'm not sure I understand your point there. Why not turn on mouse support? Again, the mouse would be OPTIONAL to use. Surely after reading this thread, you can see there is a demand for it.
There is literally no downside to offering it.
That's the point I think some folks are missing, they seem to think that adding the mouse will detract from the iPad but quite the opposite, it will be even more useful. Its not an either/or issue, you can choose to use it, or ignore the mouse if its not needed.
The mouse support would then be a niche group within a niche group, still a small area for apple to consider. "you could do it all", so educate me, what could you do with a mouse on an ipad you couldn't with a pencil?
the convenience of mouse buttons. (Pencil buttons would be a great addition). other than that i actually think the Pencil would be a better option these days
precise input with vertical screen (eg text selection). it sucks to use fingers or the pencil when the screen is vertical while you type with the smart keyboard. Apple itself recognizes that, and it's the reason why Macs don't have a touch screen.
btw: this has been written already multiple times in this topic.
Maybe, or they could be the silent majority (to steal that 1980's term). I think this feature may find quite a following but I agree on the surface with Apple's touch first approach its more niche then anything.
Well - it may not be a full win-win. In order to support a mouse the device may have to get heavier/bulkier/whatever. That would affect everyone that didnt use a mouse negatively. I never felt that the iPad needed mouse support. Its a touch device and always has been.
For anyone that is doubting the use of a mouse on the ipad, just try a samsung mouse on the Samsung Tab S2. It makes a world of difference. Certainly doesn't make the Samsung Tab S lineup any thicker than the IPads. I miss the mouse on my Tab S2 but prefer my new IPad Pro 10.5.
The iPad would not need any physical change. Its entirely an issue of software.
The example in your previous post was about a specific task, photo editing. You are correct in that for image manipulation and general graphics tasks, the Pencil is more "natural". But there are far more tasks being performed on the iPad than just that. Productivity tasks. Working on documents, spreadsheets, and presentations (hardly niches) can be done more effectively and efficiently by using a mouse.
Mostly because one doesn't keep the Pencil in their hand while typing out documents, formulas, or slides. In these scenarios, the hands are usually on the keyboard. To select a set of cells in a spreadsheet, it would be a simple matter of tapping and swiping on a touchpad. With the Pencil, pick up the pencil, touch the screen, swipe the cells, put the pencil down.
Then there are are tasks where neither the Pencil, mouse, or even physical keyboard are helpful.
Picture sitting at a regular computer. You have a keyboard, mouse and monitor in front of you. Let's assume the monitor is touch enabled and you have a pencil too. Can you honestly say that you would find it more natural/comfortable/desirable to reach up and touch the monitor or pick up the pencil then tap the monitor vs just moving your hand horizontally to the mouse which is right beside the keyboard? I sure don't think so.
When the iPad is propped up in the Smart Keyboard, it is essentially the same situation. Interacting via touch on a vertical screen is not comfortable or accurate. Adding to the awkwardness is having to pick up the pencil while using the keyboard. Much better to have a mouse or a track pad in this case.
Again, there is NO downside to offering this ability. If you don't like to use a mouse, then you don't use a mouse. It's not one or the other. It's simply having the option. And it's an option that obviously many want, more than just niche IMO. Apple could offer it just on the Pro iPads just like the pencil support.
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There IS a downside to offering this ability. With "choice" comes the need to "decide". Generally speaking, people who buy Apple products prefer less options, less choice, less need to decide what to choose. Most of those extolling the virtues of the Apple Pencil now were denouncing the concept as being unnecessary. This is why I don't try to "educate" those who don't see the benefits of something that Apple is not currently offering.
just like I ignore the pencil but it is a great option to have available if I would need it.
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