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Your friend is right about system images or clones, no matter the OS. To have the ability to painlessly revert to a known stable point, after a bad update or a malware incident, is priceless. Whichever OS you choose, learn about the softwares available to accomplish this. It's time well-spent.
I just Googled recovering from an image and it is definitely seems more complex than what I have to do on my Mac.o_O
 
Any drivers needed should be downloaded from manufacturer's website as related to video cards or other components.

I'd update this to "if you want the latest video drivers (for latest hardware support, latest bug fixes, or best gaming app optimizations), get them from the video card's website".

In reasonable time, the card manufacturers submit their driver updates to WHQL and the fixes show up in Windows Update.

For the workstations that I support at work, I run two updates:
  • Windows update. On Win7, set to "notify me to install". On Win10, "ask me before rebooting"
  • Vendor's update on occasion. (Lenovo "System Update", Dell "Dell Command | Update",...) This gets BIOS updates, other firmware, important vendor driver updates (if they weren't submitted to WHQL)
For most people, this is all you need. Definitely run the OS update regularly - since every time a security patch is issued the bad guys immediately reverse engineer the patch and send out exploits to catch people who are slow to patch. (This applies to Linux, AppleOS and Windows equally.)

[EDIT: If you have a laptop, definitely regularly run the vendor's update program. The power management, support and other drivers are customized for the individual laptop model - they don't show up on Windows Update or the component manufacturer's websites (e.g. Nvidia).]

I bought a Dell Precision T3610 for myself for my home PC. (Same basic system as MP6,1 hex core, but with PCIe slots, 8 DIMM slots and eight internal drives.) On that system, I'm a bit more compulsive, I run:
  • Windows Update ("ask me before rebooting", since it's Win7->Win10).
  • Samsung Magician on occasion. 5 of the internal drives are EVO and PRO 1TB and 2TB drives. Magician will check for wear issues and keep firmware up-to-date. Magician is nice in that when I have a rare reboot - it will run and I'll get a popup that a firmware update is available.
  • "Dell Command | Update" on occasion.
  • On occasion, get the latest Quadro mainstream drivers from Nvidia. (I have a couple of 4K monitors on my Maxwell, and there were some early issues that have settled down.)
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I just Googled recovering from an image and it is definitely seems more complex than what I have to do on my Mac.o_O
Because it's actually more complex, or because you're familiar with the process on AppleOS?

I'd have exactly the same (or exactly the opposite) impression. Doing a bare metal restore for my Windows systems is simple as pie, but for an Apple it's a complete mystery.

Not because Windows is easy and Apple is hard, but because Windows is familiar and Apple is a mystery. (For example, the Apple instructions might say something like "load the disk image" - without adding the crucial (but obvious to Apple users) tidbit that the ".dmg" file is the disk image.)
 
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Because it's actually more complex, or because you're familiar with the process on AppleOS?
Here's what I have to do if I notice a problem on my OS HD:
1. Restart holding down the option key which allows me to select the backup OS disk to boot from (if I can't restart, then I can shutdown and hold down the option when booting)
2. Erase the OS disk
3. Run Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the backup disk to the OS disk
4. Restart
Maybe I misunderstood the procedure since I am unfamiliar but my steps seem more direct?
 
Here's what I have to do if I notice a problem on my OS HD:
1. Restart holding down the option key which allows me to select the backup OS disk to boot from (if I can't restart, then I can shutdown and hold down the option when booting)
2. Erase the OS disk
3. Run Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the backup disk to the OS disk
4. Restart
Maybe I misunderstood the procedure since I am unfamiliar but my steps seem more direct?
There's a lot of Mac knowledge behind those steps.
 
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Here's what I have to do if I notice a problem on my OS HD:
1. Restart holding down the option key which allows me to select the backup OS disk to boot from (if I can't restart, then I can shutdown and hold down the option when booting)
2. Erase the OS disk
3. Run Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the backup disk to the OS disk
4. Restart
Maybe I misunderstood the procedure since I am unfamiliar but my steps seem more direct?
I'd do a network boot from my backup server, select the appropriate (perhaps not the latest) backup synthetic image, and say "Restore".

And, BTW, "Carbon Copy Cloner" isn't part of AppleOS. :eek: Why aren't you using "Time Tunnel" or whatever Apple ships for backups?
 
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I'd do a network boot from my backup server, select the appropriate (perhaps not the latest) backup synthetic image, and say "Restore".
So it doesn't involve any more steps just a different methodology (not that I would have a network server for images:))

And, BTW, "Carbon Copy Cloner" isn't part of AppleOS. :eek: Why aren't you using "Time Tunnel" or whatever Apple ships for backups?
That's why I use CCC. I'm no fan of Apple's backup or saved versions (don't get me started on that one!:mad:).
 
So it doesn't involve any more steps just a different methodology (not that I would have a network server for images:))


That's why I use CCC. I'm no fan of Apple's backup or saved versions (don't get me started on that one!:mad:).

No you make your clone to your other disk, when you boot hit F12 or whatever boot from you cloned image then clone back just as you would with CCC and Apple..

The better question is why is your CCC disk in the machine it sorta defeats the point of having a good viable clone if it's powered up in the machine.
 
They'll have a new tube this year for sure; there are numerous leaks indicating TB3, Broadwell-EP, AMD Polaris, etc.

I want to believe the "Mac Pro Rising" rumor, but it's contrary to online leaks and what I've been hearing in meatspace.
New tube, (nice), or updated tube, (fail)?
 
I just Googled recovering from an image and it is definitely seems more complex than what I have to do on my Mac.o_O
It might be nominally easier to use CCC* (you mention your use in a later post). It's part of my plan on Mac. I'm not sure what you found in your search but there's user friendly options out there. There's Macrium Reflect, Image for Windows, Paragon, etc... Many say they've had a bad experience with Windows' native back-up and/or system image. It's worked well (but slow) for me in W7. Macrium Reflect has a 'free' version that includes differential images. As a research starter, search for it on YT. There's plenty of tutorials.

*See @lowendlinux's post#57 regarding the importance of using an external drive(s).
 
I'm not sure what you found in your search but there's user friendly options out there. There's Macrium Reflect, Image for Windows, Paragon, etc... Many say they've had a bad experience with Windows' native back-up and/or system image. It's worked well (but slow) for me in W7. Macrium Reflect has a 'free' version that includes differential images. As a research starter, search for it on YT. There's plenty of tutorials.
Thanks. What I found in my search was the steps to create and recover using the native Windows tools.
 
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So at that point, the tube would just contain the CPU, memory and a PSU to power them?


Well, I meant they would gimp them, as in, include weak Polaris GPUs that are good enough for office and surfing the web, but mostly worthless for GPGPU tasks.

Just wait until they solder the RAM to the Tube's logic board and offer Thunderbolt RAM upgrade modules! Then the full potential of external expandability will finally be realized.

Eventually the Tube Pro could just be a CPU inside a Thin enclosure bunch of TB ports. Pros could create their own desktop octopus that is perfectly suited to their specific needs.
 
Well, I meant they would gimp them, as in, include weak Polaris GPUs that are good enough for office and surfing the web, but mostly worthless for GPGPU tasks.

Just wait until they solder the RAM to the Tube's logic board and offer Thunderbolt RAM upgrade modules! Then the full potential of external expandability will finally be realized.

Eventually the Tube Pro could just be a CPU inside a Thin enclosure bunch of TB ports. Pros could create their own desktop octopus that is perfectly suited to their specific needs.

Uh oh...and what happens if they also move CPU to an external enclosure ? We'd be left with an empty tube !
Now, what could we do with an empty tube...hmm... :D

OK, just joking. Fortunately, TB is not fast enough to be able to achieve speeds that will allow external RAM to speak with the internal CPU. Even GPUs seem to get a significant speed penalty when used externally. Not that apple would ever officially allow it, anyway.
 
richmlow > You are sure about moving to windows?

I recently moved from windows 10 to yosemite/ el capitan and really, they are better os's.

* I use El Capitan for half a year now on a 3,1 and never had to reinstall... (on windows 4-5 times a year)
* It has better security (like linux) (windows is known for attracting more malware, hackers and other security risks).
* It can run all software i want it to (photoshop, Lightroom and Aperture!
* I use VM Ware fusion to run windows 7 Pro (primarily for newsgroups).
* My 3,1 is a dead silent machine!
 
richmlow > You are sure about moving to windows?

I recently moved from windows 10 to yosemite/ el capitan and really, they are better os's.

* I use El Capitan for half a year now on a 3,1 and never had to reinstall... (on windows 4-5 times a year)
* It has better security (like linux) (windows is known for attracting more malware, hackers and other security risks).
* It can run all software i want it to (photoshop, Lightroom and Aperture!
* I use VM Ware fusion to run windows 7 Pro (primarily for newsgroups).
* My 3,1 is a dead silent machine!
If you had to reinstall Windows 4-5 times a year I propose the problem is not Windows.
 
Well, I meant they would gimp them, as in, include weak Polaris GPUs that are good enough for office and surfing the web, but mostly worthless for GPGPU tasks.
Ah, so Don Cook and his lieutenants will make the graphics companies an offer they can't refuse: Kneecap your cards or we will give the contract to the other guys. :)
 
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Ah, so Don Cook and his lieutenants will make the graphics companies an offer they can't refuse: Kneecap your cards or we will give the contract to the other guys. :)

Who is "Don Cook"?

If you had to reinstall Windows 4-5 times a year I propose the problem is not Windows.
+1000

On my home system, I've done a clean install once since 1997 - when I upgraded to an x64 Vista beta. That system is now Windows 10 (latest).
 
@skwareman,


You bring up very reasonable points.

I also feel that OS X is a better operating system compared to Windows (in terms of overall stability, ease-of-use, security, etc.). However, the hardware that Apple currently offers is severely lacking for my workflow. I need a rock-solid platform which can be easily expanded and last for 10+ years.

richmlow


richmlow > You are sure about moving to windows?

I recently moved from windows 10 to yosemite/ el capitan and really, they are better os's.

* I use El Capitan for half a year now on a 3,1 and never had to reinstall... (on windows 4-5 times a year)
* It has better security (like linux) (windows is known for attracting more malware, hackers and other security risks).
* It can run all software i want it to (photoshop, Lightroom and Aperture!
* I use VM Ware fusion to run windows 7 Pro (primarily for newsgroups).
* My 3,1 is a dead silent machine!
 
@skwareman,


You bring up very reasonable points.

I also feel that OS X is a better operating system compared to Windows (in terms of overall stability, ease-of-use, security, etc.). However, the hardware that Apple currently offers is severely lacking for my workflow. I need a rock-solid platform which can be easily expanded and last for 10+ years.
None of which is really the case.
 
@mildocjr,

=)

I will try to have the best of both worlds.

I'll always have a backup macOS system for mission-critical tasks. However, I'll also use a Windows machine for scientific computing and games.


richmlow


If you do decide to move to Windows I have only this to say:

See you soon.
 
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@mildocjr,

=)

I will try to have the best of both worlds.

I'll always have a backup macOS system for mission-critical tasks. However, I'll also use a Windows machine for scientific computing and games.


richmlow

I hear ya on that, my iMac is my production computer and my Windows PC is made for gaming. Have to pick your battles :D
 
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