Problem is the web app isn’t fully compatible with Team apps and some things like the background filters are much worse than the Native App. Also some issues with screen sharing as well.
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MS Teams....very depressing.
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Gotcha. Yeah, I don’t do too much with it now that we are back in the office a lot more.
Note that I wasn’t trying to run SwiftUI on Mac or via Catalyst in that example. But a SwiftUI/UIKit iOS app on AS macOS. The crashes weren’t even from the UI layer, but from underlying components that were oddly enough working in the Mac native version as-is, which is the surprising part. The graphical glitches were from the SwiftUI->UIKit bridging I was using that works fine on iOS, but behaves differently on Catalyst and in the compatibility layer and would need to be fixed/addressed. I was more pointing out that running the iOS app on AS macOS using Apple’s compatibility layer isn’t a guarantee of a good experience or a replacement for engineering/QA energy to bring an app to the Mac. I.e. someone in management still needs to fund the thing.
Catalyst is fine, and I agree it should be straight-forward so long as you support enough of the iPad-focused tools UIKit gives you such that you aren’t spending time dealing with tech debt there. I don’t use Teams on iPad, so I don’t know where they are at there. And as I’ve stated before, I would absolutely support them going with Catalyst on the Mac here. It’d be worlds better than Electron, and should let them use their iOS devs effectively on the Mac.
We live in Teams, as do all of our customers since a major portion of your business is 365/Azure implementation and management.
Teams on a PC is pretty stable but then again we're all using high end laptops. The app never was great, the memory usage is insane. I can say with supporting over 1,000 users in 20 some different environments we do not have that many problems with it but people tend to be pretty tolerant over raw performance.
The consumer version of Teams has already been re-written and was released on Win11 a few months ago but we are still waiting for the business version.
Teams is a perfect example of what makes MS a good and a bad company. They do make some great software from a value and functional standpoint but they also do not seem to think ahead.
They come out with a product, have huge adoption in the enterprise and then have another great idea, but adding that great idea onto the current product will break the enterprise they swore to support, so they come out with another app that does everything the first one does, plus more...then the same cycle happens again, and again.
It is why there are 4 task management and collaboration options in 365 instead of just 1 that has new features.
It is a mess on the backend too. Each Team has a group(which is from Outlook), which then also has its own SharePoint site which also had its own group name but it was separate from the outlook group, oh and then there is a security group for access...they finally merged those together but it is a highwire act how they keep all the old and new stuff running at one time.
Teams on a PC is pretty stable but then again we're all using high end laptops. The app never was great, the memory usage is insane. I can say with supporting over 1,000 users in 20 some different environments we do not have that many problems with it but people tend to be pretty tolerant over raw performance.
The consumer version of Teams has already been re-written and was released on Win11 a few months ago but we are still waiting for the business version.
Teams is a perfect example of what makes MS a good and a bad company. They do make some great software from a value and functional standpoint but they also do not seem to think ahead.
They come out with a product, have huge adoption in the enterprise and then have another great idea, but adding that great idea onto the current product will break the enterprise they swore to support, so they come out with another app that does everything the first one does, plus more...then the same cycle happens again, and again.
It is why there are 4 task management and collaboration options in 365 instead of just 1 that has new features.
It is a mess on the backend too. Each Team has a group(which is from Outlook), which then also has its own SharePoint site which also had its own group name but it was separate from the outlook group, oh and then there is a security group for access...they finally merged those together but it is a highwire act how they keep all the old and new stuff running at one time.
Microsoft could fix this in a moment with an option to install the iOS version but it's blocked from the iOS AppStore section on the M1 Macs. They could also use the universal version of Electron framework for the desktop app.
They instead offer the option of running it on Microsoft Edge, which of course is a browser lock-in because any links people post also open in Edge.
That all said, it's an appalling system anyway but corporates can't afford to not use free enterprise stuff.
They instead offer the option of running it on Microsoft Edge, which of course is a browser lock-in because any links people post also open in Edge.
That all said, it's an appalling system anyway but corporates can't afford to not use free enterprise stuff.
It could be we are gonna get a new updated version very soon as things are moving forward that way especially since a couple of weeks ago they mentioned they’d upgrade soon to the new Electron version.
Personally I think 2 years is a hell of a waiting time to get an universal app.
Teams is not free for the Enterprise/Business use.
Also: why in the world can't you use multiple accounts in the Teams desktop apps. That's the absolute worst to deal with when you work with different teams/companies.
Yeah for sure I linked in the Universal Apps.
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You can even comment on it saying we want updates for macOS version. Regarding Electron it was posted on the official user voice forums where you can suggest improvements here's a link - Check on the performance of Teams on MacOS · Community (microsoft.com)
As always guys, the important is to comment and show our frustration so we can at least get a roadmap going even if it's just a Technical Preview release, like Discord had that completely changed the way we interact with our machines because of these apps that take YEARS to do anything about it.
Is this not an option on the Mac client? It is for sure part of the Teams Infrastructure.
I do not see why not. There is guest user access which honestly is terrible but there is also federated access.
We are on all of our customers Teams and use it extensively to communicate they just show up as a regular Team/Channel except for an icon to show it is external to the org.
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You can. My last company had used this features greatly for accounts associated with different sub-brands.
Each Sub-brand was legally a separate company. I'm not sure why you would need to have a full account in each company unless you are administrating those companies IT. In ANY business that I have worked if you were a contractor or consultant, unless you are working Full-Time for us you would have a Guest account associated with your personal/professional email, which you'd see as a dropdown switchable toggle on the top right of your Teams.
That depends on what you are paying Microsoft already. At my previous company it was given free.
Yeah no. Maybe an option for some people, but they wouldn’t have the option to sign into multiple accounts in the mobile app otherwise.
I mean, it’s even worse in Windows 11, where you have to deal with two separate iterations of Teams that can either do private or business accounts. It’s terrible
Unless I was using it wrong, but I thought iPad version of Teams is terrible from user experience point of view, in a call for example, you can't see video and chat at the same time, you will have to flip back and forth between them.
I use it for both my work and an evening degree I am doing, while work is fine, people hardly post anything in the chat, but in lectures it is not usable.
I use it for both my work and an evening degree I am doing, while work is fine, people hardly post anything in the chat, but in lectures it is not usable.
I tried to add Teams as an Edge PWA, but… where the heck does it get installed? Can’t find it anywhere.Scroll down to "workaround"
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The performance hit isn't that bad that I need to go through a workaround. It's aggravating that it's not M1 native, but it's not a deal breaker. Unfortunately, I can't stop using Teams because of my work. However, I'm not on a Teams meeting 8 hours/day where it significantly drains battery life or causes my MacBook Air M1 (or Mac mini M1) to come to a crawl. Yea, I'd love for it to be native and efficient, but it's not so much of an issue that I need to do a workaround to get it closer to running natively.
Nothing free about it.
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A PWA does not get installed, it's more like a browser tab that runs individually and gets it's own shortcut to open it. The Teams website also does not support the local installation as a PWA, unlike for example Outlook online. You get a dedicated installation button in the URL/Search field of edge if it does.
You can only use Chrome's/Edge's "install as a desktop application" workaround, which is not the same though.
I'm speaking about the "installation" of a PWA from the browser. It's a different story if a developer publishes a PWA to the Microsoft Windows Store. I think this app uses an Edge Webview then and get's installed locally
All Enterprise licenses include Teams, only the E5 license includes the phone bridge for Teams meetings.
IIRC technically all M365 plans include Teams (Home, Business, Enterprise and Government), you only get the phone bridge for meetings with Enterprise/Government though.
But yeah it isn't free per se, if you are paying you do get it for no additional monies...
No, I get that it’s a dedicated browser window with a shortcut, but I did the whole “install as app” thing. Both Chrome and Edge for Mac looks like it completes, but I can’t find the dedicated shortcut button anywhere. With Gmail, I get a window without the URL bar… With Teams, I have to open in a regular browser window - can’t find the dedicated shortcut button. It’s odd.
Oh I see. Does Edge add Teams to the list of “installed apps” in the menu? It should be in the place where you clicked the “install as app” option.
If it’s there you can also open manage apps or what it’s called in English and try to create new shortcuts from there.
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