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blairh

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And here is another article speaking about "significantly lower priced" compared to the current base model MBA.

I think it's very safe to assume the following:

1. Longer battery life (no idea what exactly though).

2. 11.6" screen.

3. Significantly lower starting price than $1,500.

Can't wait!:)
 

Scottsdale

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Remember two things:

Steve Jobs said during the D8 conference in june that he thinks laptops without the optical drive is the future.

John Gruber said recently that he expect a total redesigned MacBook Air. And he mentioned a story from the iPad-launch when Steve Jobs said to his MacBook designers that he wanted a sleep/wake-button on the MacBook like the iPad have.

Which leads me to think that we not only will see a MacBook Air, but a redesigned MacBook-family.

And please, let the bickering be until wednesday. I like to hear what you guys think after the Back-to-Mac event. Have a nice weekend.

I agree with a lot you have mentioned. For example, the MBA will be what is coming from the MB and 13" MBP and Mac mini too. It is already time to update them all, as they're all stuck with C2D and Intel is done with C2D in less than three months.

One thing I found shocking from the RUMOR was that it mentioned another C2D update. I don't see that as possible, but anything is possible. In addition, I wouldn't think that an 11.6" MBA means that the 13.3" MBA is gone. Why not cater to many groups of people? For example, keep the 13.3" MBA for those of us who want a luxury MBA with high-end components and features focusing on performance... then make an 11.6" MBA for those who don't want any computing capabilities other than an Intel IGP can provide and some low-end components with it to get the price down and put a 10-hour battery in it to keep that crowd happy. It's obvious that there is a group who want something completely different than the MBA currently is... those aren't current MBA users, but could be low-end MBA users if it had the big ole battery keeping them all happy... with low-end specs not requiring much performance or battery to keep it going. Basically, an iPad killer... oopps, did I really say that?
 

CaoCao

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I agree with a lot you have mentioned. For example, the MBA will be what is coming from the MB and 13" MBP and Mac mini too. It is already time to update them all, as they're all stuck with C2D and Intel is done with C2D in less than three months.

One thing I found shocking from the RUMOR was that it mentioned another C2D update. I don't see that as possible, but anything is possible. In addition, I wouldn't think that an 11.6" MBA means that the 13.3" MBA is gone. Why not cater to many groups of people? For example, keep the 13.3" MBA for those of us who want a luxury MBA with high-end components and features focusing on performance... then make an 11.6" MBA for those who don't want any computing capabilities other than an Intel IGP can provide and some low-end components with it to get the price down and put a 10-hour battery in it to keep that crowd happy. It's obvious that there is a group who want something completely different than the MBA currently is... those aren't current MBA users, but could be low-end MBA users if it had the big ole battery keeping them all happy... with low-end specs not requiring much performance or battery to keep it going. Basically, an iPad killer... oopps, did I really say that?

I realized that the obvious solution to battery life is for Apple to sell universal battery packs like hypermac
 

puma1552

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This would defeat the point of the MBA being ultraportable, super lightweight/thin, having a 13.3" LED display, and a full sized keyboard.

Actually, a crappy battery in a machine designed and marketed as an ultraportable defeats the purpose of it being an ultraportable; you always talk about how heuty-teuty-executive-level-Mr.-Important the MBA user is, well if they are really SO important, wouldn't they be traveling constantly and giving presentations on the move constantly and flying constantly, and constantly need something better than a laughable 2-3 hour battery? The oxymoron in the MBA lies in its crappy-ass battery.

Scottsdale said:
I believe the vast majority of these people want a 10-hour battery because it's "MORE." More more more, better better better, faster faster faster, etc. etc. etc. People just think they need more.

You drone on and on about this "wanting MOAR" crap. But do you not do the exact same thing? How many times did you champion 2 GB of RAM, saying (as you tend to do) that nobody else needs more than 2 GB of RAM, that 2 GB of RAM is PERFECT for an ultraportable? Then a few months later I saw you agonizing over 2 GB of RAM, and how 4 GB was the new gold star that would just make your heart pitter-patter. Then a few months later, I saw you post repeatedly about how ungodly amazing and necessary 8 GB of RAM now is; in fact I saw you post nearly verbatim, "I don't need 8 GB of RAM, but if Apple offered it I would buy it in an INSTANT." The thing is, I have pointed this progression out to you several times in the last year, and each and every time you conveniently don't respond to it.

Battery life is one of the most important factors when considering a laptop. This becomes magnified when considering an ultra-portable because it will often be used in travel situations or places where a power cord is unavailable. That's why we want and need a longer battery life in our MBA's. To insinuate that most people are "just fine" with 3+ hrs is ridiculous. To state that I and others want our ultra-portable laptops to last much longer simply because "it's MORE" is both condensing and completely inaccurate.

I never once said or implied a 10-hour battery. Please don't put words in my mouth. And if you think the new MBA won't have a longer lasting battery than what it currently has you are sorely mistaken.

Agreed 100%. Expect around a 7 hour battery, or thereabouts, WITHOUT the expense of precious, precious weight. I don't get it; I really don't mean to pick on you Scotty, but I see you gripe and moan so much about how it would be a life-shattering event if the MBA was a gram heavier, but I've somehow never seen you complain about having to lug a bulky power adapter around? Not only is that weight, it's also size and shape.

I bet that more people have use for better battery than they have for better GPU...

Sometimes you (Scottsdale) just cross the line with your posts. You aren't the only one who can posts his opinions here. We've heard what you want from the next MBA for 1 000 000 times. If some of us want MBA with better battery life, then we want one. Just like you want one with discrete GPU. I don't want to carry the freaking power adapter with me everytime I go somewhere, it's not portable anymore if it has to be plugged in all the time. It's not your job to decide what WE want.

True. This is why I too hardly ever frequent this forum anymore. Every thread is just the same old ranting and raving rhetoric, most of which is so far detached from the reality of Apple's core philosophy.

I look at it this way too... if Apple could give me the exact same MBA as right now with a 10-hour battery at 3 lb. or a 5-hour (as now) battery at 2.5 lb., I would take the lightweight option. Again, I find that in reality people don't need or use a 10-hout battery, and it's just part of the wanting "MORE" mentality. Apple has done this to itself by making a 10-hour battery standard in the MBP... I believe it's a waste.

Sounds to me like you have a textbook case of the "wanting more" mentality too--wanting more in terms of less weight. Really, you'd give up something infinitely useful to go a half a pound lighter? Is your current MBA really breaking your back? Do you NEED to go a half pound lighter? "Wanting more," no doubt...

Even if they could get a 10-hour battery in a 3 lb. MBA, I believe they would drop the weight and go thinner trying to make it a 2.5 lb. MBA vs. making a true 10-hour MBA. I believe this is what the ultraportable user wants... not weight and thickness for a ten-hour battery.

I think what the true ultraportable user wants is a machine that is useful, not something reverting to a $2500 pricetag for what amounts to nothing more than heuty-teuty status points. I did see you mention that a lot lately, that you want the MBA to take a price hike back to the $3k zone. Coupled with how you drone on about what an executive-level machine the MBA supposedly is--which originates from a flaming liberal green hippie company--something just sounds to me like you just want a status symbol.

Really not trying to pick on you man, but damn is your schtick here old. No matter how little Apple actually delivers, you will still buy one immediately citing "Hey its only a few extra days' worth of consulting," and then come here and agonize over how it didn't deliver the moon, just like you have done for every single revision.

I owned a Rev. B. Apart from the laughable screen (which has made it's way from Rev. B to Rev C and is still the line-filled garbage on store shelves two years later), it was an OK computer, but there was really nothing remarkable about it at all. It was a basic computer in a small package with a horrible lack of ports. Big deal. As far as I'm concerned the MBA can barely be considered a full-function computer in its current state, nearly three years after it was released.
 

Scottsdale

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Actually, a crappy battery in a machine designed and marketed as an ultraportable defeats the purpose of it being an ultraportable; you always talk about how heuty-teuty-executive-level-Mr.-Important the MBA user is, well if they are really SO important, wouldn't they be traveling constantly and giving presentations on the move constantly and flying constantly, and constantly need something better than a laughable 2-3 hour battery? The oxymoron in the MBA lies in its crappy-ass battery.



You drone on and on about this "wanting MOAR" crap. But do you not do the exact same thing? How many times did you champion 2 GB of RAM, saying (as you tend to do) that nobody else needs more than 2 GB of RAM, that 2 GB of RAM is PERFECT for an ultraportable? Then a few months later I saw you agonizing over 2 GB of RAM, and how 4 GB was the new gold star that would just make your heart pitter-patter. Then a few months later, I saw you post repeatedly about how ungodly amazing and necessary 8 GB of RAM now is; in fact I saw you post nearly verbatim, "I don't need 8 GB of RAM, but if Apple offered it I would buy it in an INSTANT." The thing is, I have pointed this progression out to you several times in the last year, and each and every time you conveniently don't respond to it.



Agreed 100%. Expect around a 7 hour battery, or thereabouts, WITHOUT the expense of precious, precious weight. I don't get it; I really don't mean to pick on you Scotty, but I see you gripe and moan so much about how it would be a life-shattering event if the MBA was a gram heavier, but I've somehow never seen you complain about having to lug a bulky power adapter around? Not only is that weight, it's also size and shape.



True. This is why I too hardly ever frequent this forum anymore. Every thread is just the same old ranting and raving rhetoric, most of which is so far detached from the reality of Apple's core philosophy.



Sounds to me like you have a textbook case of the "wanting more" mentality too--wanting more in terms of less weight. Really, you'd give up something infinitely useful to go a half a pound lighter? Is your current MBA really breaking your back? Do you NEED to go a half pound lighter? "Wanting more," no doubt...



I think what the true ultraportable user wants is a machine that is useful, not something reverting to a $2500 pricetag for what amounts to nothing more than heuty-teuty status points. I did see you mention that a lot lately, that you want the MBA to take a price hike back to the $3k zone. Coupled with how you drone on about what an executive-level machine the MBA supposedly is--which originates from a flaming liberal green hippie company--something just sounds to me like you just want a status symbol.

Really not trying to pick on you man, but damn is your schtick here old. No matter how little Apple actually delivers, you will still buy one immediately citing "Hey its only a few extra days' worth of consulting," and then come here and agonize over how it didn't deliver the moon, just like you have done for every single revision.

I owned a Rev. B. Apart from the laughable screen (which has made it's way from Rev. B to Rev C and is still the line-filled garbage on store shelves two years later), it was an OK computer, but there was really nothing remarkable about it at all. It was a basic computer in a small package with a horrible lack of ports. Big deal. As far as I'm concerned the MBA can barely be considered a full-function computer in its current state, nearly three years after it was released.

Not trying to pick on me? HUH?

Whatever...

I keep cheap shots out as I give opinions... people like you take your cheap shots and then try to make yourself feel better about it.

I am free to share my opinions. People are free to have their own opinions too. I thought these forums were for debate and discussion about Apple products and decisions not a place to sit and criticize other people all the time?

I take positions and give opinions while others somehow feel threatened by my opinions being sometimes different than theirs... and they do what you do, make a personal attack in response. Personally, I don't respect those moves... so I don't care what a person like you has to say about me, as you don't know anything about me.

I am here to share opinions. I don't know why people are so threatened by those opinions... it's not like I am making any decisions about final products. I have been called so many names just for having different opinions or for stating something to the contrary of Apple or Steve Jobs's positions.

People need to see that a debate and opinions are not ever personal attacks. Some people hate my posts, other people love my posts. I say what's on my mind and I don't hold back... I also don't take cheap shots or call people names as others here do. I am here to talk about Apple products and it appears that SOME NOT ALL others are here just to make personal attacks.

It's quite disgusting really... I don't know why people feel threatened for someone posting a contrary belief to theirs. I don't know how it's condescending or bullying or whatever other words people want to come up with... so I assume it's their own insecurities leaving people down those paths of attack rather than debate positions. I don't care if people have differing opinions than mine, so I find it hard to believe that people care so much when my opinions aren't exactly a reflection of theirs.

All I have to say is WHATEVER. People can read my posts or not, but I am going to debate positions and give my opinions. If people feel offended because I don't want a 10-hour battery in the MBA, that's their own problem.

My posts aren't personal attacks, but many others make personal attacks on me all of the time.

I never tell people they shouldn't be on these forums or their post was stupid or they're ignorant or they're this or that... but when I say that I don't want a 10-hour battery in the MBA I am condescending... it doesn't make sense to attack people with different opinions, but it does make sense to debate against or for their positions. I like debate though, and apparently others just want everyone to agree with them. Well, I refuse to agree just to make people happy. To me, life's pretty boring if we cannot discuss our opinions freely...

So keep on making your personal attacks, then free up your conscience by saying you're not trying to pick on someone...

Or you could just make a meaningful argument/debate against my opinions and positions... probably more what this forum is meant for than the personal attacks, but you keep doing what makes you happy and sleep well at night...
 

blairh

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If you believe the latest from Apple Insider it appears there will be both a 11.6" and 13.3" model. Wow. That is fantastic.

Also it appears the 11.6" model will be the "aggressively-priced option". As long as the guts aren't pathetic that is probably the one I will be getting. For years I've been yearning for a smaller version of the MBA. It might be finally coming!

(And "The base component of both models is just slightly thicker than a standard USB port at its thickest point." Ah!!!)
 

macbook123

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I never saw a post by Scottsdale that seemed offensive towards others, except for one recently were he seemed to mock me a bit. For sure a lot gets lost in writing, as it's hard to see the real tone behind e.g. capitalized words. Then people attack each other based on (partial) misunderstanding, and threads like this one get eaten up by personal arguments.

Back to the Mac. I think this whole development is really promising. Apple is actively working on light laptops that are freed of their optical drives, AND they are apparently going to come out with different sizes, which to me means they're starting the transition to removing OD's from their laptops overall. That way the technologies going into Air-like laptops will get refined, and cheaper in the very near future.
 

Mr. Savage

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If you believe the latest from Apple Insider it appears there will be both a 11.6" and 13.3" model. Wow. That is fantastic.

I'm going to go ahead and believe this. If this is true I can't imagine there being many people who are disappointed by next week's event.

To me, in the 8 years since I switched to Mac, there have been exactly 2 Apple events that have unveiled products so mind-bogglingly brilliant that I couldn't even conceive of not buying them.

One was the iPhone
The other was the original MBA.

I really hope the third will happen next week.
 

jclardy

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This is something that some people want, NOT most, and definitely not all. I would guess that less than 1 in 20 needs more than 3 hours on a regular basis. What people have a problem with is understanding that there is a 10-hour battery available in an MBA, and it's called the 13" MBP. Look at the 13" MBP, and you will see exactly what a 10-hour battery MBA would look like without completely reducing its capabilities.

Well just chiming in as a current i7 MBP user looking into the MBA. The supposed 7-8 hour battery on this machine will only last 3-4 hours if you are using the discrete card. And if you are doing something intensive then you can drop it down to 2-3 hours. But under normal conditions it will get you at least 5 hours. Even still I have been many places where I couldn't charge but I needed my laptop, and that is after having a full charge.

I also previously owned an Acer netbook which got about 2.5 hours battery. It was super portable but I had to carry the cumbersome charger with because the battery wouldn't last.

I would buy the Air if it had a 7 hour advertised (5-hour actual) battery life. I'd still be fine with a C2D but would prefer an i3 which could also improve battery life because of the improved architecture. An option for 4GB ram, and an 11-12 inch screen. Glass trackpad like the MBP line, and a price under the current $1500 one. It is probably a long shot but if they did this then I think many more people would buy the air.

In my college age group no one I know owns a current Air because while the thinness is great they can't justify the extra cost plus loss of performance and battery life compared to Apple's other machines.
 

CaoCao

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I'm hoping for MBA to refresh next year with SB because it should be at least 50% faster than the current MBA chip
 

ditosou

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11.6"

I was expecting a "top" 11.6" MBA... however, by the recent news, maybe it will differ form the 13" model to be more price competitive with other trademarks... not good news for me!
 

puma1552

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Not trying to pick on me? HUH?

Whatever...

I keep cheap shots out as I give opinions... people like you take your cheap shots and then try to make yourself feel better about it.

I am free to share my opinions. People are free to have their own opinions too. I thought these forums were for debate and discussion about Apple products and decisions not a place to sit and criticize other people all the time?

I take positions and give opinions while others somehow feel threatened by my opinions being sometimes different than theirs... and they do what you do, make a personal attack in response. Personally, I don't respect those moves... so I don't care what a person like you has to say about me, as you don't know anything about me.

I am here to share opinions. I don't know why people are so threatened by those opinions... it's not like I am making any decisions about final products. I have been called so many names just for having different opinions or for stating something to the contrary of Apple or Steve Jobs's positions.

People need to see that a debate and opinions are not ever personal attacks. Some people hate my posts, other people love my posts. I say what's on my mind and I don't hold back... I also don't take cheap shots or call people names as others here do. I am here to talk about Apple products and it appears that SOME NOT ALL others are here just to make personal attacks.

It's quite disgusting really... I don't know why people feel threatened for someone posting a contrary belief to theirs. I don't know how it's condescending or bullying or whatever other words people want to come up with... so I assume it's their own insecurities leaving people down those paths of attack rather than debate positions. I don't care if people have differing opinions than mine, so I find it hard to believe that people care so much when my opinions aren't exactly a reflection of theirs.

All I have to say is WHATEVER. People can read my posts or not, but I am going to debate positions and give my opinions. If people feel offended because I don't want a 10-hour battery in the MBA, that's their own problem.

My posts aren't personal attacks, but many others make personal attacks on me all of the time.

I never tell people they shouldn't be on these forums or their post was stupid or they're ignorant or they're this or that... but when I say that I don't want a 10-hour battery in the MBA I am condescending... it doesn't make sense to attack people with different opinions, but it does make sense to debate against or for their positions. I like debate though, and apparently others just want everyone to agree with them. Well, I refuse to agree just to make people happy. To me, life's pretty boring if we cannot discuss our opinions freely...

So keep on making your personal attacks, then free up your conscience by saying you're not trying to pick on someone...

Or you could just make a meaningful argument/debate against my opinions and positions... probably more what this forum is meant for than the personal attacks, but you keep doing what makes you happy and sleep well at night...


Well, I've given you some points to debate...get to it chap.
 
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