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MP 1,1-5,1 My new? Mac pro 4.1/5.1

Hi Macschrauber,
Thank's for that, I was scratching my head, knowing that years ago there was a way to select the whole disk and not just the main partition.... I have downloaded your firmware BU tool, but will now continue tomorrow...

Thanks again.

Mel.
 
@ dayo

Hi,
Well it's been a bit of a frustrating day (or 2) Think I've tried 3 times to get Windows on my Mac, using Dayo's Bare metal on cMP. It all goes fine until you have to kill the VirtualBox and reboot, in each case I just boot back in to the OS (Mojave) I have ran Mybootmgr, which I think should give me a choice at boot up??
I just can't see where I'm going wrong. If this is a simple way, then what will I do with Opencore???

Best wishes.

Mel.
 
Hi Mac
Yes I made sure it was MBR, it seems the problem may be although I installed MybootMgr, I though that was it, but now I see a folder with apps in it, but which do I use with Dayo's method? and how!
 
I cant follow where you are and what folder of apps you are refering to.

RefindPlus is running and has an NTFS Efi driver in Drivers?
 
@Dayo

Hi Mac,
Oh if only I could work that out! The folder is at /Users/Shared/MyBootMgr/MyTools/ do I need to do anything with these? before I start with the formatting the disk and creating and running the VirtualBox?

All goes well until windows is installing and on windows reboot, you have to stop and power down the VirtualBox, then reboot the Mac.

At this point I would imagine a boot screen would appear as you are told to now boot/select windows and carry on with installing windows... BUT I just get re-booted to my OS screen.

Chaps I may be OK programming micro-controllers, building old Z80 stuff, whizz with the soldering iron, BUT a lot of what you say is a little beyond me at the moment.

Macschrauber said:
RefindPlus is running and has an NTFS Efi driver in Drivers?
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Sorry are you asking me, or telling me? I suppose if I dig deep enough I'll find it.

Again thanks for your help.

Screenshot 2021-08-25 at 19.35.32.png
 
Start with configfactory, continue with deployconfig

Detailed instructions are in the 1st post of the thread

forums.macrumors.com

MyBootMgr: RefindPlus|OpenCore

This is a guide to using OpenCore and RefindPlus, to multiboot Classic MacPros (3,1 to 5,1) as well as equivalent Xserve (2,1 and 3,1). It involves booting Mac OS from one or more OpenCore instances chain-loaded from RefindPlus and booting other OS types directly from RefindPlus. The guide is...
forums.macrumors.com forums.macrumors.com

guess you have not RefindPlus working
 
Cactusface said:
Chaps I may be OK programming micro-controllers, building old Z80 stuff, whizz with the soldering iron, BUT a lot of what you say is a little beyond me at the moment.
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From what I can see, you are trying to follow the Bare Metal Windows Installation Guide.

It appears you cannot access a pre-boot screen setup and thus, when you got to the point where you need to reboot into Windows, you just get back into Mac OS.

You have then apparently checked the instructions and noticed that it does say you need a pre-boot screen and that you can use MyBootmgr to set one up and provided a link to a separate thread for that.

However, for some unclear reason, it seems you have visited that thread and skipped reading the instructions of how to actually set that separate process up but decided to just download and run the stuff linked there.

After hitting a foreseeable roadblock of not knowing what next steps to take with MyBootMgr, it is not clear why you haven't simply gone back to the source to read/follow the previously ignored instructions there.
 
Hi Mac
Thanks for a simple straight forward answer! just ran the programs, hopefully pressed the right buttons and now I have the boot screen, just need to re-run the drive prep and VirtualBox install, etc and hope to be up and running with Windows (I only need to run a few things on it).

Again thanks for the input, I'm leaning a lot, quickly.....
 
Horray!! Many thanks to everyone who helped and guided me. Yes I now have a dual boot Mac pro, spent a lot of time moving (Well copying) windows stuff over to the new Windows 10(Pro) from the PC.
Next move more memory, will a 3.33GHz CPU make use of the faster 1333 ram?

Thanks again...
BootManager-01.jpg
BootManager-02.jpg
 
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Congrats Mel!

Looks like you spend a little while with your new Mac Pro ;)


Cactusface said:
will a 3.33GHz CPU make use of the faster 1333 ram?
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Yes, the 6-core Westmere will run RAM at 1333MHz , when the modules are 1333MHz.
Note that the fastest setup is with 3 modules (or 6 for dual CPU) aka triple channel.
 
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KeesMacPro said:
Yes, the 6-core Westmere will run RAM at 1333MHz , when the modules are 1333MHz.
Note that the fastest setup is with 3 modules (or 6 for dual CPU) aka triple channel.
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Hi Kees,
Yes I noticed that before, can't understand why 3 memory sticks work faster then a full set of 4? Anthing to do with it being a 6 core CPU?
 
Hi,
This seems a little odd! I was planing on getting 24GB of 1333MHz ram, but taking a look I have 1333 memory fitted, but in the INFO tab it says 1066MHz !! Also if we only fit 3 modules, did I see somewhere you use slots 1,2 and 4? Any help!

May be my mistake it says it will take 1066 Ram, but perhaps that's set in stone (firmware) and not changeable whatever is fitted?

P1110820.JPG

Screenshot 2021-08-29 at 18.48.47.png
 
Cactusface said:
Also if we only fit 3 modules, did I see somewhere you use slots 1,2 and 4?
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No, the modules should be in 1,2 and 3 (and 5,6,7 for dual CPU).
Cactusface said:
May be my mistake it says it will take 1066 Ram, but perhaps that's set in stone (firmware) and not changeable whatever is fitted?
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This is not set in stone, but depends on the RAM and CPU installed i.e. a CPU compatible with 1333MHZ and 1066MHZ RAM modules will result in 1066MHZ. A CPU compatible with 1066MHZ and 1333MHZ RAM modules will also result in 1066MHZ.

The screenshot post #1 shows 3,33GHz 6-core which means AFAIK that this is a X5680 or a W3680 Westmere = compatible with 1333MHZ RAM speed....
 
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The memory configuration parameters are set inside a extremely tiny SPI flash memory on each RAM module. A 1333MHz module have different configuration parameters for different processors (there are Nehalem/Westmere Xeons with memory controllers that run at 800/1066/1333MHz) and will work at 800/1066/1333MHz depending on the Xeon model installed.

Apple sold 1066MHz Xeons with all single CPU Mac Pros and most of the dual ones. Almost all Mac Pros manufactured after sometime back in 2010 have from factory 1333MHz DIMMs, the memory industry changed from 1066 to 1333MHz RAM very fast - even some early-2009 have from factory 1333MHz DIMMs but a 1066MHz Xeon.

When the memory controller is initialized for the first time, the DIMM SPD SPI flash memory is loaded via I2C protocol and the appropriated configuration parameters are saved inside the NVRAM, one MemoryConfig variable per memory slot. Also is saved a cache of the SPD, since loading it via I2C at every boot is extremely slow.

So, there are situations when you have 1333MHz DIMMs with a 1066MHz Xeon running the memory at 1066MHz and since the memory parameters are still set/cached inside the NVRAM, if you later change to a 1333MHz Xeon, the memory controller still runs at 1066MHz since it's what are stored inside the MemoryConfig variables. Please note that this is only valid for dual rank DIMMs, 2Rx4. DIMMs that use quad rank configuration, 4Rx4, will run at slower frequency - it's a design limitation of the Nehalem/Westmere memory controller.

To solve this issue you need to do a deep reset of the NVRAM, doing a 4-times continuously NVRAM reset with a wired keyboard. Power-on, then press CMD-Option-P-R and only let go of the key combination after you hear the 5th chime.

The deep reset forces the re-initializion of the memory controller data saved inside the NVRAM variables, the cache of the SPD and if the Xeon and the DIMMs support 1333MHz, it will be the frequency used from now on.
 
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Hi All,
Once again thanks for your replies and help, Firstly here's the results of Latebloom!

I am now going to try the deep reset which I have seen mentioned before and see what that does.

Mel.

Code: 
Warmboot





no Open Core flavor detected





no latebloom.kext found in kextstat





Timestamp                       Thread     Type        Activity             PID    TTL  





Real model decoded from serial number: Mac Pro 2009 (MP4,1)





1 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X5680  @ 3.33GHz





CKxxxxx920H


NVIDIA GeForce GT 710


running at 10.14.6 18G9323 Kernel 18.7.0





boot-args    -no_compat_check











Hardware:





    Hardware Overview:





      Model Name: Mac Pro


      Model Identifier: MacPro5,1


      Processor Name: 6-Core Intel Xeon


      Processor Speed: 3.33 GHz


      Number of Processors: 1


      Total Number of Cores: 6


      L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB


      L3 Cache: 12 MB


      Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled


      Memory: 16 GB


      Boot ROM Version: 144.0.0.0.0


      SMC Version (system): 1.39f5


      SMC Version (processor tray): 1.39f5








    System Software Overview:


      System Version: macOS 10.14.6 (18G9323)


      Kernel Version: Darwin 18.7.0





Network:


      Type: PPP (PPPSerial)


      Hardware: Modem


      Service Order: 0


      Type: Ethernet


      Hardware: Ethernet


      Service Order: 1


      Type: Ethernet


      Hardware: Ethernet


      Service Order: 2


      Type: FireWire


      Hardware: FireWire


      Service Order: 3


      Type: AirPort


      Hardware: AirPort


      Service Order: 4


      Type: Ethernet


      Hardware: Ethernet


      Service Order: 5





Wi-Fi:


          Card Type: AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x8E)


          Firmware Version: Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.106.98.102.31)





Storage:


      File System: MS-DOS FAT32


      BSD Name: disk0s1


          Medium Type: SSD


          Protocol: PCI


          Internal: No


      File System: NTFS


      BSD Name: disk2s1


          Medium Type: SSD


          Protocol: SATA


          Internal: Yes


      File System: Journaled HFS+


      BSD Name: disk3s2


          Medium Type: SSD


          Protocol: SATA


          Internal: Yes


      File System: Journaled HFS+


      BSD Name: disk4s2


          Medium Type: Rotational


          Protocol: SATA


          Internal: Yes


      File System: APFS


      BSD Name: disk5s1


          Medium Type: SSD


          Protocol: PCI-Express


          Internal: No


      File System: MS-DOS FAT32


      BSD Name: disk6s1


          Protocol: USB


          Internal: No


      File System: MS-DOS FAT16


      BSD Name: disk7s1


          Protocol: USB


          Internal: No





SATA/SATA Express:


      Physical Interconnect: PCI


          BSD Name: disk0


              File System: MS-DOS FAT32


              BSD Name: disk0s1


              Content: DOS_FAT_32


      Physical Interconnect: SATA


          BSD Name: disk3


              File System: MS-DOS FAT32


              BSD Name: disk3s1


              Content: EFI


              File System: Journaled HFS+


              BSD Name: disk3s2


              Content: Apple_HFS


      Physical Interconnect: SATA


      Physical Interconnect: SATA


          BSD Name: disk2


              File System: NTFS


              BSD Name: disk2s1


              Content: Windows_NTFS


      Physical Interconnect: SATA


          BSD Name: disk4


              File System: MS-DOS FAT32


              BSD Name: disk4s1


              Content: EFI


              File System: Journaled HFS+


              BSD Name: disk4s2


              Content: Apple_HFS





PCI:


      Type: NVM Express Controller


      Bus: PCI


      Slot: Slot-2


      Name: NVDA,Display-D


      Type: Display Controller


      Bus: PCI


      Slot: Slot-1


      Type: Audio Device


      Bus: PCI


      Slot: Slot-1


      Type: AHCI Controller


      Bus: PCI


      Slot: Slot-3





NVMExpress:





    Apple SSD Controller:





        SAMSUNG MZVLW256HEHP-000L7:





          Capacity: 256.06 GB (256,060,514,304 bytes)


          TRIM Support: Yes


          Model: SAMSUNG MZVLW256HEHP-000L7


          Revision: 4L7QCXB7


          Link Width: x4


          Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s


          Detachable Drive: No


          BSD Name: disk1


          Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)


          Removable Media: No


          Volumes:


            EFI:


              Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)


              File System: MS-DOS FAT32


              BSD Name: disk1s1


              Content: EFI


            disk1s2:


              Capacity: 255.85 GB (255,850,758,144 bytes)


              BSD Name: disk1s2


              Content: Apple_APFS








USB:


    USB 2.0 Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCIPCI


    USB 2.0 Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCIPCI


        USB Storage:


          Product ID: 0x070e


          Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec


          Location ID: 0xfd300000 / 1


              USB Interface: 0


              USB Interface: 0


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI


          Product ID: 0x4500


          Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec


          Location ID: 0x5a100000 / 1


            Bluetooth USB Host Controller:


              Product ID: 0x8215


              Location ID: 0x5a110000


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI


          Product ID: 0x1003


          Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec


          Location ID: 0x1d100000 / 1


            USB Receiver:


              Product ID: 0xc52f


              Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec


              Location ID: 0x1d120000 / 3


              Product ID: 0x020c


              Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec


              Location ID: 0x1d130000 / 2


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI


    USB Bus:


      Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBUHCIPCI





Bluetooth:


          Bluetooth Low Energy Supported: No


          Handoff Supported: No


          Instant Hot Spot Supported: No


          Manufacturer: Broadcom


          Composite Class Of Device: 0x380104


              Connected: No


              Class of Device: 0x05 0x25 0x2594


              Connected: No


              Class of Device: 0x05 0x10 0x2540


              Connected: No


              Class of Device: 0x05 0x20 0x2580





Memory:


      Upgradeable Memory: Yes


          Size: 4 GB


          Type: DDR3 ECC


          Speed: 1066 MHz


          Size: 4 GB


          Type: DDR3 ECC


          Speed: 1066 MHz


          Size: 4 GB


          Type: DDR3 ECC


          Speed: 1066 MHz


          Size: 4 GB


          Type: DDR3 ECC


          Speed: 1066 MHz
 
Hi Again!
Well the deep reset seems to have done the job, thanks tsialex. But when the Mac restarted it came up with this message about Oracle wanting to add something, what is it!! please see screen shots...

Screenshot 2021-08-30 at 08.42.24.png

Screenshot 2021-08-30 at 08.31.53.png
 
Cactusface said:
when the Mac restarted it came up with this message about Oracle wanting to add something, what is it!
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Hi Mel!
For the Legacy Windows install you installed VirtualBox from Oracle.
Not sure if you still need it (I suppose not), it may be better to ask in the RefindPlus thread/ Dayo.
 
KeesMacPro said:
it may be better to ask in the RefindPlus thread
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Much better in the Bare Metal Windows thread since the item is not to do with RefindPlus but as I have seen the query here, I might as well just give my tuppence worth.

I have no idea what the item is for but yes, VirtualBox is from Oracle so there is a good chance they load extensions and it looks like it was signed correctly on the surface.

Since the program has served its purpose however, it might be best to deny permission and uninstall VirtualBox anyway. Not good practice to leave unused/unneeded programs sitting around. I tend to keep installers around for a while in case I need to reinstall something I thought I no longer needed.

EDIT:
@Cactusface ... On a slight veer off, can you post similar pictures of the RefindPlus screen with these two legacy volumes selected?
RP_View.PNG

Thinking they might possibly need to be hidden in the default MyBootMgr output. I.E., you probably should have just had four items ... 2 x OpenCore, 1 x Mac OS and 1 x Windows
 
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