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teohyc

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Fun Fact - The nano-glass surface is very different from a regular matte screen.
Oh, how very different may I ask?

Because I have actually tried all those products that I have listed. Some aren't as good, but the Huawei MatePad PaperMatte, Huion Kamvas Studio 16 and LincStudio S1 are almost identical to Apple's. Same look, same feel.
 

H_D

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Just some fun info for the interested...

There has been many tablets with matte glass before it's marketed as the nano texture by Apple.

Wacom MobileStudio Pro
Xppen Magic Drawing Pad
Huion Kamvas Studio 16
LincStudio S1
Huawei MatePad 11.5 PaperMatte 2023
Huawei MatePad 11.5S PaperMatte 2024
Lenovo Tab P12
I just had the Wacom Movink in the studio – matte, OLED, on paper quite identical (except 1080p). It's not even close to the NanoDisplay of the iPad.The Wacom feels plasticky and sticky, while the Apple Display is silk-smooth to the touch, absolutely nonstick, you really have to get used to a different way the pencil and your fingers glide over the surface. I also had the Remarkable (which I liked a lot for its specific use case) and some other tablets – the micro-texture by Apple feels much more high-end. Hard to describe and if you look for more texture to slow down the pencil, it's not quite like Paperlike, RockPaperScissors et al, almost the opposite but in a good way. It's something that surprised me in the store & I was not sure it would work out, but so far is really an upgrade to the regular display (which I loved).
 
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H_D

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PS: I'm not sure I would like this on MBP or the StudioDisplays (frankly, I'd rather finally have a hardware-self-calibrating-Apple-Display, how hard is that), but the combination of the matte surface, the silky touch feeling and the portability with the thinner form factor is almost eerily like having paper/photopaper texture. It adds a sense of haptics, tactility and reality to digital media that surprised me. Photos edited with a bit of grain and «analogue» feeling in LR for example look almost like printed. It adds to the feeling of a magical piece of paper in your hand. (Also really good: The nonsticky surface helps with finger drumming in Logic ;-))
 
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Nikhil72

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PS: I'm not sure I would like this on MBP or the StudioDisplays (frankly, I'd rather finally have a hardware-self-calibrating-Apple-Display, how hard is that), but the combination of the matte surface, the silky touch feeling and the portability with the thinner form factor is almost eerily like having paper/photopaper texture. It adds a sense of haptics, tactility and reality to digital media that surprised me. Photos edited with a bit of grain and «analogue» feeling in LR for example look almost like printed. It adds to the feeling of a magical piece of paper in your hand. (Also really good: The nonsticky surface helps with finger drumming in Logic ;-))
Analog is exactly how I’ve been describing it. There’s something distinctly “non-digital” about it despite how fast and fluid it is. For instance, people keep describing the text as slightly “blurry” but I actually think it‘s that it looks less digitally sharpened? Not too distinct from reading print or my Kindle where text is crisp but slightly “soft” or less harsh.

As for the contrast effect, that’ll mainly be noted in rooms with ambient lighting. On the flip side, if I’m watching video (where contrast is arguably most needed), a black background on top and bottom of the video reflects my face in the glossy screen while I just see content on the nano display. It’s quite impressive in daily use.

And photos definitely have a slightly analog matte paper look to them; I always use a touch of grain in my edits and the full effect is lovely.
 
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teohyc

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I just had the Wacom Movink in the studio – matte, OLED, on paper quite identical (except 1080p). It's not even close to the NanoDisplay of the iPad.The Wacom feels plasticky and sticky, while the Apple Display is silk-smooth to the touch, absolutely nonstick, you really have to get used to a different way the pencil and your fingers glide over the surface. I also had the Remarkable (which I liked a lot for its specific use case) and some other tablets – the micro-texture by Apple feels much more high-end. Hard to describe and if you look for more texture to slow down the pencil, it's not quite like Paperlike, RockPaperScissors et al, almost the opposite but in a good way. It's something that surprised me in the store & I was not sure it would work out, but so far is really an upgrade to the regular display (which I loved).
Wacom unfortunately don't use good matte glass. They like to use those that have noticeable grain/colour noise.

I tested Huion Kamvas Pro 19 recently and this does not have grain/colour noise but the visuals are soft.

Also tested the Huawei MatePad PaperMatte. This one is identical to Apple nano-glass.
 

Nikhil72

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Wacom unfortunately don't use good matte glass. They like to use those that have noticeable grain/colour noise.

I tested Huion Kamvas Pro 19 recently and this does not have grain/colour noise but the visuals are soft.

Also tested the Huawei MatePad PaperMatte. This one is identical to Apple nano-glass.
For the PaperMatte, did you notice a difference with respect to OLED vs LCD and max brightness on each?
 

bushman4

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It’s not for everyone. Yield most likely the reason it’s only available on the higher end models
Using it indoors doesn’t give you a big advantage, outdoors yes
 

h2ofun

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It’s not for everyone. Yield most likely the reason it’s only available on the higher end models
Using it indoors doesn’t give you a big advantage, outdoors yes
When the salesman took my new ipad with nano out of the box in the verizon store, he was just shocked to not see the reflection of the ceiling lights on the screen. He just kept looking at it and saying wow. So yep, I can
see a big advantage with some indoor use also.
 

geoelectric

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It’s not for everyone. Yield most likely the reason it’s only available on the higher end models
Using it indoors doesn’t give you a big advantage, outdoors yes
I actually disagree with this. Outdoors or under studio lighting it incrementally reduces glare and lowers the impact of reflections, albeit by a big increment, but you can still see them on the screen. Indoors in normal house lighting it makes reflections virtually disappear without visible artifacts.

Considering nano strictly as a luxury option, since I’m not a pro artist, going from some to none feels like a bigger impact to me than going from more to less.

So while I’d agree outdoor is where it’s more *needed*, I’d say indoors is where it’s more effective.
 
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The Cockney Rebel

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256GB is plenty enough for me.

I’ve installed a Paperlike screen protector on mine, which helps with some glare, and also make writing & drawing experience better.
 
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