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motion777

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Here are some metal geekbench 5 numbers that I ran:


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Here are some metal geekbench 5 numbers that I ran:
Thanks ! looks really impressive numbers especially the 6800XT, very close to the 6900XT.
Thanks also to everyone else who posted their results.

As promised I prepared a motion file that could be used to test real life performance of the card:
1. Real time playback (FPS)
2. Ram preview
3. Export time

I couldn't attach the file here ( its 44 mb) so I uploaded it to google drive:

Could you please test the different cards in the three scenarios above ?
Before running the tests its important to clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
Also please make sure that you have Full, Best and Depth of field ticked in Motion’s render dropdown menu. For the export you can keep everything as is by default. Please let me know if you need anymore info and thanks again for the time you're putting into this.
 

motion777

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^^^^Just to add on my RX6800 on a 7,1 Mac Pro I get:

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With my W580X MPX I get:

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Lou
Hi Lou,
Thanks for posting these results. If you have Apple motion installed on your system could you please run the test I prepared? I posted a link in the reply to rondocap where it could be downloaded. It will be interesting to compare also the W580X. Thanks!
 
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OkiRun

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Hi Lou,
Thanks for posting these results. If you have Apple motion installed on your system could you please run the test I prepared? I posted a link in the reply to rondocap where it could be downloaded. It will be interesting to compare also the W580X. Thanks!
I tried to open zip and download but nothing click properly to initiate download. Is there something I might be not doing correctly?

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Oh ~ I see. At the top there is a small box that says, Open with.... and you have to choose a zipunzipper app to get the job done. I did that. And the file, which is crazy light show, did open and I have on desktop. When editors are done with machine tonight, I will try to open Motion and run this. How do I tell real time playback (fps) in Motion?
 
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motion777

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Great, happy it worked ! As for the FPS you can see it on the top left hand side of motion's preview window. ( I attached a screen shot ) it appears there on playback. When testing please wait for the last 10 sec or so of the video, that's when it stabilises on the lowest FPS number which is what I would like to have as a reference.
 

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OkiRun

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Great, happy it worked ! As for the FPS you can see it on the top left hand side of motion's preview window. ( I attached a screen shot ) it appears there on playback. When testing please wait for the last 10 sec or so of the video, that's when it stabilises on the lowest FPS number which is what I would like to have as a reference.
FPS 29

How do I do RAM preview in Motion?
 

motion777

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FPS 29

How do I do RAM preview in Motion?

I Guess it's the RX6800 ? it's really high FPS. The test file I made was quite challenging for the GPU. (many layers , effects, particles and replicators ). Could you please check the same with the W580X ? and again just look at the FPS in the last 10 sec of the timeline.
For the Ram preview :
1. Clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
2. Lunch the ram preview by Mark> Ram preview> All
And measure the time until it completes.
Thanks!
 
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I Guess it's the RX6800 ? it's really high FPS. The test file I made was quite challenging for the GPU. (many layers , effects, particles and replicators ). Could you do please check the same with the W580X ? and again just look at the FPS in the last 10 sec of the timeline.
For the Ram preview :
1. Clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
2. Lunch the ram preview by Mark> Ram preview> All
And measure the time until it completes.
Thanks!
It takes less than one second to complete ram preview all.
I only have vega ii duo.
 

rondocap

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Thanks ! looks really impressive numbers especially the 6800XT, very close to the 6900XT.
Thanks also to everyone else who posted their results.

As promised I prepared a motion file that could be used to test real life performance of the card:
1. Real time playback (FPS)
2. Ram preview
3. Export time

I couldn't attach the file here ( its 44 mb) so I uploaded it to google drive:

Could you please test the different cards in the three scenarios above ?
Before running the tests its important to clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
Also please make sure that you have Full, Best and Depth of field ticked in Motion’s render dropdown menu. For the export you can keep everything as is by default. Please let me know if you need anymore info and thanks again for the time you're putting into this.
Hi, sure I will do these as soon as I can

for reference, what is the current numbers that you have or the Apple results? Just so I can compare against my results
 

motion777

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Thanks, I appreciate it. I prepared the test myself so no official numbers from Apple.
It includes many layers, effects, particles and replicators with the idea to challenge the GPU.

For the moment I have these results:

OkiRun tested the Vega II duo:
Real time playback: 29 FPS
Real time preview: Less then a second

On my x2 D700
Real time playback:7 FPS
Pre render: 3 min.
Export render: 3.30 min.
I’m about to buy the Mac Pro 7,1 and with the help of these tests I get a better idea of the performance of the different GPU’S before deciding on the configuration.
I'm interested to see the results from your system, if similar to the Vega II duo, I might need to make the test bit more difficult for the GPU to handle.
 

rondocap

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Thanks, I appreciate it. I prepared the test myself so no official numbers from Apple.
It includes many layers, effects, particles and replicators with the idea to challenge the GPU.

For the moment I have these results:

OkiRun tested the Vega II duo:
Real time playback: 29 FPS
Real time preview: Less then a second

On my x2 D700
Real time playback:7 FPS
Pre render: 3 min.
Export render: 3.30 min.
I’m about to buy the Mac Pro 7,1 and with the help of these tests I get a better idea of the performance of the different GPU’S before deciding on the configuration.
I'm interested to see the results from your system, if similar to the Vega II duo, I might need to make the test bit more difficult for the GPU to handle.
Hi, so the first test I did was on two W5700x, 28 core Xeon for reference

I think the other poster did not clear his ram, because I also get 1 second if I don't clear the ram, but 1 minute 20 seconds with it clear - which I think is the correct number.

For FPS, I got 25 FPS with the ram not cleared, but after clearing it, last 10 minutes stabilize like below:

Real Time Playback - stabilizes about 11 FPS last 10 seconds
Ram preview: 1 minute 20 seconds
Export time: 1 minute 25 seconds
 

motion777

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It does make more sense now! I was surprised of the huge gap from the results I had on my system.
Thanks for this. I will be happy to see the results of the other cards when you have time
 

rondocap

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It does make more sense now! I was surprised of the huge gap from the results I had on my system.
Thanks for this. I will be happy to see the results of the other cards when you have time
Here are my numbers with two separate Vega ii, connected with infinity fabric:

FPS: 11
Ram preview: 1 min 22 second
Export: 1 min 32 sec

from most of my testing, in video work, the dual w5700x is very close to dual Vega ii or sometimes slightly faster!
 

motion777

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These are very interesting results ! If I understand correctly it also means that the test file I made is truly reflecting the same real life experience you had with these cards. That's good news. For me it allso narrows down the choice between single / dual W5770X and RX6800 / RX6900
 

OkiRun

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Here are my numbers with two separate Vega ii, connected with infinity fabric:

FPS: 11
Ram preview: 1 min 22 second
Export: 1 min 32 sec

from most of my testing, in video work, the dual w5700x is very close to dual Vega ii or sometimes slightly faster!
Did you export movie from motion, or send to compressor... for export?
If you tell me the exact sequence to follow I will try to time for you.
 

motion777

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I did export directly from motion:
1. Clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
2. File> Share movie> Export movie ( default )
Leave all settings on the export movie menue as they are and render
 
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I did export directly from motion:
1. Clear Motion's ram preview ( Mark> Ram preview> Clear ram preview )
2. File> Share movie> Export movie ( default )
Leave all settings on the export movie menue as they are and render
Hmmm. That took less than 2 seconds to export and the clip opened up on desktop automatically. Let me try again.
Too fast to time. No more than 2 seconds from export to an open video file to view on desktop.
 

rondocap

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Hmmm. That took less than 2 seconds to export and the clip opened up on desktop automatically. Let me try again.
Too fast to time. No more than 2 seconds from export to an open video file to view on desktop.
Need to make sure clear ram is done, export time should be close to my two vega ii, around 1 min 30 sec or so
 
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Need to make sure clear ram is done, export time should be close to my two vega ii, around 1 min 30 sec or so
What is the fast way to record desktop as this process is done. I did clear the ram. Editor is on machine now with documentary so it will be later when they are at lunch and I can sneak back in :cool:
 

rondocap

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What is the fast way to record desktop as this process is done. I did clear the ram. Editor is on machine now with documentary so it will be later when they are at lunch and I can sneak back in :cool:
I just use the stopwatch app on my phone
 
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OkiRun

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I just use the stopwatch app on my phone
I am going to screen record the process so you can see, as it seems to go very quickly to be done in the way the settings are set. I will show that the ram is clear first and then do the export with fixed settings.
 

rondocap

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I am surprised that in most of my tests, dual W5700x run pretty close to dual Vega ii GPUs. This is in Red Raw 6k, 8k, Canon raw 8k, Pro Res raw 6k, etc. Even in Octane X, and motion, they seem to run pretty even.

I wonder where the Vega ii advantage of more VRAM would come into play? Maybe I need to test noise reduction and in program affects, as export times and things like that are too close.

Now, dual 6900xt is definitely an improvement over both in the tasks I ran- seems to be at least 20% better in most cases than the other W5700x or Vega ii. Sometimes more.

Even in the candle test it's close, and the newer rocket test from here too, with blur and noise reduction. Once again the 6900xt is faster. But I'm more surprised how capable the dual W5700x is vs the Vega ii duo, much better bang for the buck for video.
 

OkiRun

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Here is the video ~ I had to use gigafile upload because it was too big size for this forum. The link is good for a month.
It took an extra second to export than the other times I think because I was screen recording at the same time. Still, it is under 5 seconds. You can tell I am not an editor as I fumble around searching for controls. Sorry for shoddy video technique. The Mac Pro editor is out to lunch now and I would be in trouble as I::m not suppose to touch it during a project even though I am boss.
The Mac Pro 7,1 is really niche computer. Its optimized for really specific types of production work flows. both hardware and software interface. When you are following that workflow, its amazing strong and fast and dependable. Also, our editor can easily use fcPX, Davinici, Logic, and Adobe cloud apps on one computer.

 

motion777

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Thanks uploading the video. It's clear now why the short Pre render / Export time and high FPS.
You need to open Motion project file that includes layers, effects and so on and not the video file that is in the media folder (I attached a screen shot ) then follow the test process, this will lead to correct results
 

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