GimmeSlack12 said:
Thats hardly fair on the poor guy. Don't act like the typical smug mac guy please, there is enough negative types on these boards without you.
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Thats hardly fair on the poor guy. Don't act like the typical smug mac guy please, there is enough negative types on these boards without you.
StartTday said:
So you got a bum machine and are going to go back to generic Windows machines, thinking you'll get better reliability and stability?
You know what? Good. I can't take it any more... I'm sorry all you folks have had crap MacBooks. Out of the millions and millions of people who haven't had trouble, you got a lemon. Sucks to be you, but since you are getting rid of you Mac and not buying another one please head over to the Dell forums. Good luck!
CrackedButter said:
I disagree. The OP served no point. It was a troll/rant about how his MacBook sucks. If he had asked a question, "what can I do about this?" or "are these problems indicative of other Macs?" I would care. It wasn't. I know there are lots of issues with MacBooks... we ALL know it. Overall, they're pretty decent machines. I mean, I wonder what the replacement/repaid rate on them is compared to a lower price Dell laptop? Probably similar.
At any rate, the OP was simply "I hate Macs, my computer sucks, I'm never getting another one". On a Mac FAN site. So, ya, Adios Amigos, take it to ihatemacs.com or whatever. I don't think that makes us smug just don't want people who aren't either Mac users, or interested in being Mac users to clog up the board with trolls.
i'm not even going to bother reading through this whole thread.. all I have to say to the OP is good luck and best wishes with your dell.
Documentation of Laptop Reliability
"Once again, Apple is at the top. Its overall score, 9.1, is significantly better than the average for Windows notebooksand a full seven-tenths of a point better than Lenovo's overall score, 8.4. Its scores for reliability (9.2), tech support (8.5), and likelihood of recommending (9.4) are also significantly better than average. Yes, its score on percentage needing repair is merely average, but at 16 percent, it's the lowest of the survey (alongside Sony's 16 percent).
Dell is certainly improving. On first-year notebooks, all of its scores are better than last year's. Unfortunately, Dell still struggles when it comes to work notebooks: Its overall score, 7.9, is worse than average, as is its tech support score, 7.0."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2006499,00.asp
Rest of the article here.
mrgreen4242 said:
"Once again, Apple is at the top. Its overall score, 9.1, is significantly better than the average for Windows notebooksand a full seven-tenths of a point better than Lenovo's overall score, 8.4. Its scores for reliability (9.2), tech support (8.5), and likelihood of recommending (9.4) are also significantly better than average. Yes, its score on percentage needing repair is merely average, but at 16 percent, it's the lowest of the survey (alongside Sony's 16 percent).
Dell is certainly improving. On first-year notebooks, all of its scores are better than last year's. Unfortunately, Dell still struggles when it comes to work notebooks: Its overall score, 7.9, is worse than average, as is its tech support score, 7.0."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2006499,00.asp
Rest of the article here.
drake said:
"Because" the "world" doesn't "work" like "that".
Apple doesn't know how much you're going to put your laptop through in three years, but it feels comfortable guessing how much you'll put it in over the course of one, so the waranty is one year.
1st of all, learn your spelling, it's tiring to read your postJo-Kun said:
the poster to whom you replied to certainly did NOT say that all macbooks are perfect, thus there is no bubble to burst (you just learned that phrase, didn't you).. he sure didn't say that all macbook are the greatest mac its owner ever had
you gotta be kidding me to compare a macbook to a powermac G5 (assuming that's what you meant, or did you mean the mysterious mac pro G5 that's floating around occasionally
)... one most powerful machine running natively, the other lower end machine running, not natively...
I'm not being smug I'm just practicing my Spanish.CrackedButter said:
(but between you and me, I am the guy from the Mac commercials).
mrgreen4242 said:
So you wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe think he is too pissed off to want to find a solution to his troubles and his only thought is to get rid of it and just do some good old venting? I understand what you are saying but I wouldn't label him a troll just yet. In any case, if he has got a gripe about a mac product, where else would he go, pcworld.com's forums? Makes sense.
I've never owned a MacBook (or iBook), but I think they are definatly the outkasts of the Apple family (along with the Mini, though its not as bad). I've known people who've had these computers and have had problems, not all of them, but certainly more then the Pro/Desktop versions of Apples computers. I've had a PowerBook for 2 years now and not had a single problem. I also JUST got my iMac 24" today and hope I have the same results as my PowerBook. IMHO they are amazing computers and far beat a Windows box any day in my mind. I've had PC's for years and years before and after
my first PowerBook and have ALWAYS had problems with the PCs, whether it be software or hardware there has always been something. Infact my current PC desktop is on the blink so that's why I got this iMac. It's to bad your first experience has been a bad one, but I wouldn't let that destroy your view of Apple computers because for the most part they are WAY more reliable than a Windows machine.
my first PowerBook and have ALWAYS had problems with the PCs, whether it be software or hardware there has always been something. Infact my current PC desktop is on the blink so that's why I got this iMac. It's to bad your first experience has been a bad one, but I wouldn't let that destroy your view of Apple computers because for the most part they are WAY more reliable than a Windows machine.
I have never had a problem with any of the macs I own or the macs that my family owns. I have a Powerbook G4, a Macbook pro, and an Intel iMac, and not a single problem. The reason you are probably having problems with your macbook is because it is a rev.A. I would recommend returning it if possible and spending the extra cash on a macbook pro. The Pro is way faster, has way better graphics, and is just overall better. The pro level, like the poster above said, is just way better. The ibook, macbook, and mini are the outcast of the apple family. Macbook pro, iMac, Mac Pro are all great. You really do get what you pay for.
Silverbird0000 said:
Its not enough to buy a MB, but now you have to get a MBP to expect a decent level of operation when it comes to using a mac? I thought that argument was used solely against windows laptops? Damn I only have an iBook. Also don't exagerate the performance capabilities of the MBP, its not that much faster processor wise over a MB and how are the graphics *better* exactly? You look like a newbie and you talk like a newbie.
Also the whole REV.A. thing is a poor excuse which I'm getting tired of.
CrackedButter said:
Don't get me wrong. The Macbook is still a way better computer than a PC, but it is the bottom of the barrel as far as macs go. The hardware isn't that great, but the OS is the best. If you want a top of the line computer, go for the pro level. The Macbook is a Rev. A. They have not worked the kinks out yet. Just like when a new car comes out that has never been out before, it has problems, then they are fixed. The macbooks will get better, but they will never be at pro level. That is why they are almost $500-$1000 bucks cheaper then the Macbook Pro.
Also, I am new on these post, but i've been using macs all my life. The graphics card on the MB is 64mb, and I believe it's shared at that. They MBP has 128-256MB. Way better! I've used both, and with games on the MB it is slow and jumpy, but the MBP is perfect.
Silverbird0000 said:
What? Bottom of the barrel? Hardware isn't great? Here is a question for you, would you say the MB's are *better* than a powerbook? You seem to suggest that raw power is the indicator of a machines status and ifs thats the case then the MB or better than last years powerbook's which were pro level machines.
Regarding better Vcard in the MBP, its better because it plays games better and this is the best reason you can come up with for somebody to buy the MB over the MBP?
Also car manufacturers sort out the kinks of their products by getting the public to purchase said vehicles and use them? You've heard of the words "liability" and "public safety" right?
Do you get the impression that i don't believe a word you're saying?
CrackedButter said:
The current MB's are better than last years powerbooks, except for the graphics card. And no, your are turning my words around. You should not buy a MBP just for games. I don't even play games that often. But I like the fact that I can. With a MB you really can't. And Raw power is not the indicator of a machines status. It has to do with alot more than that. Just overall the MBP is a better machine, or it would not be a PRO!
Silverbird0000 said:
You're telling me you *cannot* *absolutely* play games on a MacBook, from the benchmarks I've seen the Vcard is better than or equal to anything inside an iBook. Guess what? I have an iBook which plays games fine.
I also like to point out that you have given only one reason as to why a MBP is better than a MB and thats because it plays games better, how else do i respond to that?
Yes raw power isn't the indicator of a machines status but thats all you have talked about it being so far. But then in your last sentence you state again the MBP is better without telling me why. You haven't given me a new reason for it being any better!
Here is a few things that the MB is *better* at than the MBP.
1) Its smaller and weighs less, matters to some people.
2) The bullet proof plastic is seen as more durable than aluminuim.
3) The MB generally has better battery life.
bearbo said:
sorry if I make spelling errors... as you might find out... english is not my native language... but if I would write in dutch... it would be more tiring ;-) but at least I'm makeing an effort... right? and so far you're the first one that had complaints about my english here... sorry for not being perfect ;-)
bearbo said:
hmm do I sense some arrogance here?
bearbo said:you gotta be kidding me to compare a macbook to a powermac G5 (assuming that's what you meant, or did you mean the mysterious mac pro G5 that's floating around occasionally
I'm comparing speeds between a +2y old G5 and a brand new MacBook... 2x1.8Ghz vs CD1.83Ghz ok 3.5GB vs 2GB ram... 7200rpm vs 5400rpm HD
I'm not comparing them by opening my 1.2GB scans on both...
everyday use means: opening 10MPixel Nikon RAW files in PS CS2 and 'developing' them into Tiff files. tiff files wich are 28.8MB in size so the amount of ram I have doesn't infuence this (I only had it installed to work with very big files...)
most other things I do in PS are influenced by my mouseclicking speed ;-)
but if we compare other software... opening Word/Excell/Entourage takes AGES on the MacBook... and those aren't heavy programs right?
is there anyone here who has a printer on his PPC mac that is shared with his intel mac? if there are: do you allso encounter problems if you want to print a word doc or some picture in PS sent from the intel to the PPC? here the program quits unexpectedly 9 out of 10 times...
the apple 'genius' at my local apple dealer replied: why don't you send your file trough the network onto the G5 open it there and print it? hmmm why did they invent printersharing? but I have to cut him some slack (yep learend that one 5 sec ago
) he applied for his job out of love for the iPod... as did some of his colleagues..._______________________
I apologize for any spelling/grammatical errors that might have occured in my text ;-)
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I never understand why people steer clear off some brands just because of ONE bad experience, I've owned Macs all my life, sure there's been a few minor problems but its been mostly smooth sailing, I've had bad experiences with some products (like Viewsonic monitors) but I would definitely consider a Viewsonic again because I know they are solid stuff.
It's generally not a good idea to vent about something a forum dedicated to fans of the thing you're venting about.CrackedButter said:
Unless you're venting about the phone support/customer service.
StartTday, sorry about your problems. However, I will re-iterate what others here have said and tell you that Macs are generally great and reliable machines-- much more so than the average PC.
Unfortunately, it looks like you got a bad one. It happens. But I've had plenty of Macs, for over a decade, and have never had one fail me so badly as your poor MacBook. All of them have worked faithfully for me, and most of the time the problems I've had have been caused my third-party apps or hardware or RAM.
I realize how above-average the Mac is when I am forced to work on (not with!) Windoze PCs elsewhere or when I have to troubleshoot a Linux box (a great OS I'd take over Windoze any day, but still not quite there as far as ease-of-use is concerned).
It's very likely that you've posted in the hopes that we can convince you not to give up on the Mac. Hopefully this genuine post has helped. Oh, and ignore the rude posters. They're probably not bad people, just misguided.
Unfortunately, it looks like you got a bad one. It happens. But I've had plenty of Macs, for over a decade, and have never had one fail me so badly as your poor MacBook. All of them have worked faithfully for me, and most of the time the problems I've had have been caused my third-party apps or hardware or RAM.
I realize how above-average the Mac is when I am forced to work on (not with!) Windoze PCs elsewhere or when I have to troubleshoot a Linux box (a great OS I'd take over Windoze any day, but still not quite there as far as ease-of-use is concerned).
It's very likely that you've posted in the hopes that we can convince you not to give up on the Mac. Hopefully this genuine post has helped. Oh, and ignore the rude posters. They're probably not bad people, just misguided.