Never buying another Apple product again... sigh...

[xyian]

Thank you Mr.Green for putting my sentiments in a more tactful manner. If you don't like your Mac and don't want to use it again, shut up! Go elsewhere. I don't troll around on Windoze forums and gripe about how crappy it is to have to use their sh*t at work, yet I go home and enjoy my computing experience. There was no point to the OP other than to complain.

I disagree. The OP served no point. It was a troll/rant about how his MacBook sucks. If he had asked a question, "what can I do about this?" or "are these problems indicative of other Macs?" I would care. It wasn't. I know there are lots of issues with MacBooks... we ALL know it. Overall, they're pretty decent machines. I mean, I wonder what the replacement/repaid rate on them is compared to a lower price Dell laptop? Probably similar.

At any rate, the OP was simply "I hate Macs, my computer sucks, I'm never getting another one". On a Mac FAN site. So, ya, Adios Amigos, take it to ihatemacs.com or whatever. I don't think that makes us smug just don't want people who aren't either Mac users, or interested in being Mac users to clog up the board with trolls.

 

[ssledoux]

I probably shouldn't even respond at all I'm so far down here, but I just have to throw in a plug (as a fairly new Mac user) for the Macs.

Frankly, I am just sick and fed up with Windows in any way, shape or form. We are down to one Windows laptop, and as soon as I can afford to replace it with another iBook, I will.

I bought my first Mac last November. I've always wanted one. (I like the all-in-one style of the eMacs and iMacs) I purchased a used eMac from ebay. It had no warranty or anything. It's a 1.25mhz, g4 processor with 512mb ram. It did have airport in it and a superdrive, both of which appealed to me.

I paid $500 for it and the guy shipped it free. I am typing on it now. I have never had the first problem with it and I knew instantly that I would NEVER go back to a windows machine.

Around that time, my kids were getting into iPods. We had 4 iPod minis. It didn't take long before they sold them and purchased 2 video iPods, a Nano and a shuffle.

My daughter graduated from home schooling in May. She wanted an Apple laptop. This was JUST when the MacBooks were coming out. She decided, to save some money, to purchase a slightly used iBook instead of the MacBook. We got a great deal on a nearly new iBook that still had 8 months of warranty. It arrived and it was better than Christmas! That thing was just gorgeous to us, and it was so cool how it just automatically did everything when you turned it on. You just answer questions and fill in blanks and you have this perfect computer ready to go!

It didn't take long before she was drooling over MacBooks though. Two of her friends had purchased them with graduation $$. She decided to sell her iBook and go for the MacBook.

I purchased the iBook from her for my 15 year old. It was our goal to get each of the kids a Mac this year, and it seemed logical to get this one from my daughter because we knew it was perfect! My oldest then purchased her MacBook. It arrived and it was even cooler than the iBook (though I still love those iBooks). She loved it.

Sunday night I purchased yet another iBook for another of my daughters. One for my son won't be too long coming. We have also sold 1st gen Nano and shuffle and purchased 2 new Nanos in the last few days.

So, within one year, we have purchased/owned the following Apple products:

eMac
4 iPod minis
2 iPod videos
1 iPod Nano
1 iPod shuffle
2 iBooks
1 MacBook
2 2nd rev. iPod Nanos

Obviously, we are here to stay! I have converted several friends, and just cannot understand why everyone doesn't use Macs.

 

[26139]

Huh?

Apple basically ships these things out the door regardless of condition, so with Macs you get worse odds than "any other computer". Quite frankly apart from refurbs I never had good experiences with any of my Macs either.

I think you MIGHT be making that up.

 

[jeremy.king]

I think you MIGHT be making that up.

Would you expect any less from the ultimate Mac hater?

 

[Silverbird0000]

You're telling me you *cannot* *absolutely* play games on a MacBook, from the benchmarks I've seen the Vcard is better than or equal to anything inside an iBook. Guess what? I have an iBook which plays games fine.

I also like to point out that you have given only one reason as to why a MBP is better than a MB and thats because it plays games better, how else do i respond to that?

Yes raw power isn't the indicator of a machines status but thats all you have talked about it being so far. But then in your last sentence you state again the MBP is better without telling me why. You haven't given me a new reason for it being any better!

Here is a few things that the MB is *better* at than the MBP.

1) Its smaller and weighs less, matters to some people.
2) The bullet proof plastic is seen as more durable than aluminuim.
3) The MB generally has better battery life.

Here are a few things that the MBP is *better* at than the MB.

1: Bigger Screen, which matters to most people
2: Better Resolution, which matters to most people
3: Way better graphics card
4: Comes standard with better HD and RAM
5: The list can go on....

And yes you can play games on the MB or iBook, but they won't be as good!

 

[alFR]

PC Mags 2006 Customer Satisfaction Survey


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2006499,00.asp

About Apple laptops they said:

"Is this a function of that unique passion Apple users have for the company's products? Perhaps. But, again, it's hard to question the number of units needing repair. Among first-year systems, only 7 percent needed repair—2 points better than Sony"

Actually, the average repair rate for Macbooks and MBPs is about 13%, with over 20% of MBPs needing repair:

"Repairs by Model
Overall repairs: 13% of all MacBook and MacBook Pro computers in this survey were repaired.

Fewest repairs:
6.3% 17" MacBook Pro
7.7% Black MacBook

Most repairs:
24% 15" MacBook Pro/1.83GHz (January) MA091LL/A
23% 15" MacBook Pro/2.0GHz (March) MA464LL/A "

From:

http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/macbooks.html

Not terrible compared to the rest of the industry, but not quite as rosy as the PCmag survey implies (particularly for the MBP). Taking that into account, I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that the Intel machines have had a few "teething troubles", esp. the MBP.

 

[emorydunn]

Prolly cheaper for apple that way

With all this negativity I might just invest in appleCare for my upcoming purchase (well I should anyhow), but my student budget is really stretched thin
Ah well, I hope it'll turn out better for you in the end, I have a hard time believing apple quality has detoriated that much since I brougth my last comp.

AppleCare is ALWAYS a good idea, extended waraties on computers are one of the few things that really need it. And if your budget is thin then think ahead: a logic board failure is like few hundren bucks, plus labor- $$$, so if you can't aforn $250 now then how can you aford $700 later. Plus the Apple Store always gives you the recit saying all of the charges and then t amount due is $0.00- its a good feeling.

 

[meepm00pmeep]

don't single out all Macs because you were the unfortunate one to get a lemon...

 

[chatin]

Just one of many to come.

Threads like this don't suprise me given how hot the Core Duo runs. Apple should adobt a multi vendor stategy and just put in what works.

The 64-bit AMD X2 Turions would run cool and work much better over the long haul!

 

[bankshot]

don't single out all Macs because you were the unfortunate one to get a lemon...

Yeah, that was my initial thought upon reading this thread. Too bad it seems the original poster has gone already.

I've had the first two issues that were described, and I can directly sympathize that it's very frustrating. The shutdown, in particular, was maddening. Many curses ensued as work was randomly lost. However, we brought the machine to the Apple Store on a Sunday and received it back on Thursday. Pretty darn good turnaround if you ask me, and it's been working for the last month. Still not out of the woods, as the shtudown didn't first appear until almost 2 months after initial purchase, but looking good nonetheless.

The vertical lines happened to me once, and a PRAM reset (Cmd-Opt-P-R at boot) fixed it. If that was the same as the original poster's issue, I would consider it an annoyance, but certainly not enough to leave the platform about. Every computer and every piece of software has flaws that we must live with, and if I can work around it easily myself like this case, I can live with it. At least, if it doesn't happen too often!

I'll never understand the common behavior of completely writing off an entire brand or class of products due to one bad experience. Logic dictates that we examine all the evidence (many happy Mac users) before doing so, but I guess emotion sometimes gets the best of us and directs us otherwise. Too bad.

 

[macaddicted]

I too received a bad system, a MPB. It had a bad battery and the MBP whine. That's the first Mac system I've had problems with out of the box in 17 years of purchasing Macs and probably a dozen or more systems.

I'll admit that, as my name suggests, I am truly a Macintosh addict. I purchased a Lenovo ThinkPad about the time that BootCamp came out. I didn't have enough confidence in it to try to run PC software I need for my business to buy anything but a PC, and I wanted one with a good reputation. the ThinkPad has been a good system overall but it is not up to the MBP. The silly red pointer device is cute while functionally nearly useless and why do they even bother putting a trackpad on the system if they are going to make it that small? And why does every PC come with enough stickers to make a NASCAR team owner jealous?

I had purchased an Intel iMac, which I'm going to sell now that I know my PC specific software runs perfectly in BootCamp, and the ThinkPad is going too. I love the freedom that a notebook affords me too much to go back to desktop systems, and I love OS X too much to willingly use a Window$ system if I can avoid it.

The OP got a bad system which was followed up with bad customer service. It happens, though less often with Apple than most other makers. What is unfortunate is what happened is unusual for Apple, but regularly happens with the discount PC makers. Apple is held by its users to a higher standard and often meets it. It didn't meet them in this case, which is the most unfortunate thing of all.

 

[Jo-Kun]

I'm back from my local apple dealer...

they ordered the part for the macbook and will call me when they're in... so I wont need to miss my macbook that long... that's some service ... otherwise I could have a wainting period of 2 weeks when I leave it there now... and now I can still use it... with its glitches...

they told me they have a huge backorder on motherboards... so a lot of people have the crapbook edition...

so I had a fast repair on the top yellowing part more than one month ago... and yes they will again replace that one with a new one... because it is back.

they told me the new motherboards are different than the one I have now...and are standard issue on the ones for sale now... so now I can tell a friend who wanted to buy one it should be safe now ;-)

it's the risk with revA's... we all know that... but I'm glad they'll fix it & even the 2nd top part allso ;-) hopefully when the fix is done this one doesn't have to go back again... fingers crossed

 

[generik]

Would you expect any less from the ultimate Mac hater?

I hate Macs, I like MacOS, but hey... I didn't say I love MacOS, so obviously I don't see why I have to accept the whole package like a big sucker. Likewise being big enough a sucker to get fleeced for their stuff doesn't mean I signed my soul over to Apple Inc unlike you, so I am perfectly entitled to have my own opinion on how good (or lousy more like) Apple's quality is when it comes to their hardware.

 

[a456]

Apple goes on and on

That's funny, I've never had a bad experience with an Apple product. Not one of the 10 or so Apple products, including four desktops and two laptops, that my family has bought within the last 5 years has had *any* issues whatsoever (knock on wood).

I have a PowerBook G4 867MHZ, I work at home and on the move. It is on all day every day and has been for the last five years (? - I can't quite remember). It has been dropped on the pavement from six feet in the air, and still it keeps going and is fast enough to satisfy everyday needs. No laptop I have owned before buying an apple lasted more than 1-2 years before refusing to work because its hard drive had been too shaken about. I wish I could find an excuse to upgrade, but I simply do not need to.

 

[generik]

I have a PowerBook G4 867MHZ, I work at home and on the move. It is on all day every day and has been for the last five years (? - I can't quite remember). It has been dropped on the pavement from six feet in the air, and still it keeps going and is fast enough to satisfy everyday needs. No laptop I have owned before buying an apple lasted more than 1-2 years before refusing to work because its hard drive had been too shaken about. I wish I could find an excuse to upgrade, but I simply do not need to.

Until Apple makes their own pixie dust coated harddrives I really find it ironic that you are using that as a reason why your Mac outlasts PCs. Ironically the most recent Mini I got died in 2 days with a crashed hard drive. Good luck with the next Mac you buy as an upgrade for your PB, it will probably do the same just 1 day out of Applecare.

 

[pjo]

You're telling me you *cannot* *absolutely* play games on a MacBook, from the benchmarks I've seen the Vcard is better than or equal to anything inside an iBook. Guess what? I have an iBook which plays games fine.

I also like to point out that you have given only one reason as to why a MBP is better than a MB and thats because it plays games better, how else do i respond to that?

Yes raw power isn't the indicator of a machines status but thats all you have talked about it being so far. But then in your last sentence you state again the MBP is better without telling me why. You haven't given me a new reason for it being any better!

Here is a few things that the MB is *better* at than the MBP.

1) Its smaller and weighs less, matters to some people.
2) The bullet proof plastic is seen as more durable than aluminuim.
3) The MB generally has better battery life.

one more: the HD in the MB is removable without taking the rest of the machine apart.

 

[p0intblank]

Generik, if you hate Macs so much then why the hell do you post here? I've always hated your posting style. In one thread you'll praise Apple for all they're worth and then in another thread, you'll be against them.

Seriously, do us all a favor and stop posting the negative comments. Keep that stuff to yourself.

 

[miles01110]

one more: the HD in the MB is removable without taking the rest of the machine apart.

The Macbook Pro ships with a larger hard drive. One less?

 

[weldon]

With all this negativity I might just invest in appleCare for my upcoming purchase (well I should anyhow), but my student budget is really stretched thin

Remember you can always buy AppleCare at any time within the first year of ownership before the original warranty runs out. AppleCare is simply an extension of your original warranty and you don't have to buy it at the time of purchase.

 

[savar]

Thats hardly fair on the poor guy. Don't act like the typical smug mac guy please, there is enough negative types on these boards without you.

The response is appropriate. If somebody comes here just to whine and complain and say they're leaving and never coming back, it's not our job to convince him to stay. It annoys me that these threads get so much attention. Who cares? I like the honesty, for one.

You had a bad experience? You'll never buy it again? That sounds sensible to me. If my first experience with a product was completely miserable I would take it back and never buy it again either. Just because you happen to be talking about a Mac, which is a machine I happen to like, that doesn't mean you're wrong and I'm right.

 

[2ndPath]

The response is appropriate. If somebody comes here just to whine and complain and say they're leaving and never coming back, it's not our job to convince him to stay. It annoys me that these threads get so much attention. Who cares? I like the honesty, for one.

If it annoys you that these kind of threads get so much attention, why do you provide the attention to it by reading it and even by posting? No one forces you to do so. If you don't like them, just ignore them.

 

[crees!]

The response is appropriate. If somebody comes here just to whine and complain and say they're leaving and never coming back, it's not our job to convince him to stay. It annoys me that these threads get so much attention. Who cares? I like the honesty, for one.

You had a bad experience? You'll never buy it again? That sounds sensible to me. If my first experience with a product was completely miserable I would take it back and never buy it again either. Just because you happen to be talking about a Mac, which is a machine I happen to like, that doesn't mean you're wrong and I'm right.

Oddly enough I stumbled across this thread and realized this is my old roommate having this problem. Yes he's pissed. Wouldn't you be if your expectations were let down as everything you've heard was praise before buying? I was one of the people behind convincing him as he always saw me using my Powerbook and asked questions about it. Cut some slack.

 

[miles01110]

If it annoys you that these kind of threads get so much attention, why do you provide the attention to it by reading it and even by posting? No one forces you to do so. If you don't like them, just ignore them.

Classic response of an idiot.

 

[2ndPath]

Classic response of an idiot.

If people have opinions you don't like, you can insult them, you can leave them alone or you can discuss with them in a reasonable mannor.

 

[slffl]

People who make their purchasing decisions based on BRAND NAMES don't deserve a mac.