Nice picture, also the case around a 12.9" makes it exponentially heavier because it has to cover more area. I always felt the 12.9 was fine weight wise, but as soon as I put a leather case on it, it became really heavy. I wonder how, but I still managed to travel around with it for one year now..
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New 12.9" worth it over last years model?
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I honestly didn't feel a big difference with the feel of the touch input and response times. I played with a 2017 12.9 at BestBuy and it felt the same as my 2015 12.9. (I did not bring my iPad in for a Side-by-Side Comparison)
In spite of that, the upgrade would be worth it in my opinion. The new screen is gorgeous. The higher max brightness is a significant factor. The camera is a huge upgrade. The processor boost is useful (as a musician using 6+ apps simultaneously this is significant). I'll likely be looking for a way to save up funds to make the upgrade within a few months.
In spite of that, the upgrade would be worth it in my opinion. The new screen is gorgeous. The higher max brightness is a significant factor. The camera is a huge upgrade. The processor boost is useful (as a musician using 6+ apps simultaneously this is significant). I'll likely be looking for a way to save up funds to make the upgrade within a few months.
Just odd to me but holding the 12.9 on it’s own doesn’t feel that heavy at all and not a problem just using it to browse or type. People saying it’s not portable I dunno to me I have no issues using it on it’s own at all.
I'm not saying it's unmanageable, but it's definitely far less comfortable than using the smaller iPads, and that's a deal breaker for some people.
Hi Channan, I understand what you are saying about the distribution of weight. I just don't really ever hold my iPad with one hand. Not at all discounting your experience. My perspective is that I thought the weight would be a problem for me prior to the purchase--not because of the additional weight, more because I expected it would be unwieldy for me. I have been pleasantly surprised for my use scenarios. So what do you think about the 10.5" screen size -- is it a lot more useable than the 9.7"?
It will "feel" slow because of the framerate. Imagine running an animation at 10 frames per second vs 20 frames per second
You have a point on the screen going from A to B
At 10 FPS it is
A - - - - - - - - - - B
At 20 FPS it is roughly
A-------------------B
So it still takes the same time for the graphic to go from point A to point B, so it is not really any slower, but how it moves is what makes it fast because you can see the pixel appear along the line more frequently.
Now you have that in 120 FPS which is 2x what we see now.
It is like Special Relativity tbh. Time will feel slow even if it isn't.
I upgraded last week (sold my 2015 IPP, which netted me 60% of the cost of the new one). TOTALLY worth it. In addition to what we've heard about proMotion (which, by the way is AMAZING. But, you notice it best when you go back to an older iPad), True Tone is beautiful (I was jealous of the 9.7 for this reason), and the wide color gamut makes the 2015 display look dull.
BUT, BUT...... the biggest improvement is in power management. The battery life is much longer, the Apple Smart keyboard doesn't cause the massive battery drain that it used to, and the battery actually gets a usable charge from a non-Mac usb port. (I used to get so frustrated trying to use it a work -- the crappy Windows PC wouldn't charge the battery at all. No problem now with the 2017 model.)
Double the storage is a big deal to me, and using the Apple Pencil now feels like I'm REALLY writing.
I truly feel this is the best product Apple currently makes.
Soooooo glad I upgraded!
Can anyone confirm this? I thought they didn't update the keyboard, does it really drain less battery? I didn't even know the old one had an issue with this...
I use the ASK as smart cover all the time on my iPad 12.9 and never ever realized that it would drain excessiv battery power.
I didn't say the Apple Smart Keyboard was updated. The new 12.9's improved power management makes using the keyboard less of a battery drain. This was an often reported issue when the IPP was first released in 2015.
Yeah and I'm not saying it's a problem for everyone or that it's not worth the bigger screen for some people. I'm just saying it is a problem for some people and others shouldn't give them a hard time for it.
I don't own a 10.5" Pro. I still have an Air 2. My dad got the Pro so I just got to play with it a little. The bigger screen didn't really seem more usable to me since it's not significantly larger, but it is really nice having smaller bezels. His iPad just looks nicer.
The point that @Channan brings up regarding the larger iPads has a scientific explanation, and it's called Torque.
I've already discussed this in great detail in another thread so I'm just going to link them:
The problem is when you are holding it with one hand. When holding it at one corner and using the other hand to touch the screen, the distance of the center of gravity to the axis of rotation is going to be more, especially if you're holding it in portrait mode. It's not just a matter of the mass of the device, the size of the device also matters, because the center of gravity is going to be further away from your hand.
As a very simple illustration, if a device has a diagonal twice as long, and is twice as heavy, the resultant increase in torque (when holding it in portrait) is going to be quadruple. i.e. 4 times more difficult to hold.
If you're still not convinced, try taking a MacBook (or any laptop), open it up while standing, hold it on one corner and type on it. Do that for half an hour (while holding it all the while with one hand on the corner) and tell me that it's not incredibly uncomfortable.
The fact that the typical laptop is a clamshell device actually increases the COG distance by a third dimension, magnifying the torque even more.
Rant aside, the nice thing about the 10.5" is that because the overall physical dimensions haven't changed too much while having a larger screen, the torque increase due to larger area is generally minimal.
I've already discussed this in great detail in another thread so I'm just going to link them:
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/12-9-now-outdated.1962322/page-9#post-24151948
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/12-9-now-outdated.1962322/page-9#post-24152426
The problem is when you are holding it with one hand. When holding it at one corner and using the other hand to touch the screen, the distance of the center of gravity to the axis of rotation is going to be more, especially if you're holding it in portrait mode. It's not just a matter of the mass of the device, the size of the device also matters, because the center of gravity is going to be further away from your hand.
As a very simple illustration, if a device has a diagonal twice as long, and is twice as heavy, the resultant increase in torque (when holding it in portrait) is going to be quadruple. i.e. 4 times more difficult to hold.
If you're still not convinced, try taking a MacBook (or any laptop), open it up while standing, hold it on one corner and type on it. Do that for half an hour (while holding it all the while with one hand on the corner) and tell me that it's not incredibly uncomfortable.
The fact that the typical laptop is a clamshell device actually increases the COG distance by a third dimension, magnifying the torque even more.
Rant aside, the nice thing about the 10.5" is that because the overall physical dimensions haven't changed too much while having a larger screen, the torque increase due to larger area is generally minimal.
Obviously
If the 12.9 is more convenient TO YOU then definitely, use that.
I was responding to the assertion being made that there was no reason to go smaller.
There is, for some people. If a 10.5 feels more comfortable, use that.
It's personal preference. There is no "wrong" choice.
"Managing" to travel with something, and having something that is less of a pain to deal with are two different things.
I "managed" to lug my 15" MacBook Pro 2011 around with me through Europe, the UK, Ireland and Canada in 2012.
Did i die from exhaustion carrying it?
No.
Would an iPad Pro have been FAR more convenient and done everything that I used the MacBook Pro for whilst on holiday? Definitely. Carry on baggage weight limits are a thing, as is tray tablet space on the plane. 2.5 kg doesn't seem like much in isolation but when its on your back all day along with another 10-12 KG of stuff in a backpack (plus the power pack, etc.), it adds up.
You evaluate how often you use something whilst on the move, how much you want to use it one handed, how much you're willing to carry, etc. and you make your choice.
iPad 10.5 vs. 12.9 is the same thing, but there's just a little less difference. The 10.5 will fit in bags that the 12.9 will not, and weighs less.
The 12.9 will enable you to see more content than the 10.5. You make a choice...
After multiple threads of other users discussing what size works for them and for travel/portability, that's exactly what it comes down to, is user preference. It's all about the comfortability and what one can tolerate for holding or carrying.
Well let me as owner of both guide you:
New 2017 iPP 12.9:
Brighter Screen
Louder Speakers (Now with 9 spots per speaker)
512 GB
120Hz refresh noticable in movies and games and in mags/books.
Just a tiny bit of lighter weight.
Battery looks better but not a big deal.
That's obvious so far,
Faster Speed in menus NOT noticable
TrueTone is ******** and dislike it.
USB 3 doesnt't support your computer USB 3 ports same as first 12.9.
Hope it helps, I'll keep you updated more at this thread.
New 2017 iPP 12.9:
Brighter Screen
Louder Speakers (Now with 9 spots per speaker)
512 GB
120Hz refresh noticable in movies and games and in mags/books.
Just a tiny bit of lighter weight.
Battery looks better but not a big deal.
That's obvious so far,
Faster Speed in menus NOT noticable
TrueTone is ******** and dislike it.
USB 3 doesnt't support your computer USB 3 ports same as first 12.9.
Hope it helps, I'll keep you updated more at this thread.
You're absolutely right- I didn't die from it either but now that you mention the added travel weight in the backpack... I just had to cancel a journey through australia because I got a hernia from overweight luggage... so maybe it's a good idea to stick with the smaller, lighter model
Bookmarked so I can just link this post instead of having to explain it again myself next time.
Here's just one of the articles from that time discussing the problem:
https://betanews.com/2016/02/15/ipad-pros-fatal-flaw-fifth-in-a-series/
The relevant passage is below:
"With Smart Keyboard attached, I can deplete iPad Pro's battery in about four hours, while recharging takes six or more hours. More disturbing: When plugged into the Lightning cable and 12-watt brick, and in-use. the tablet typically reaches a steady-state where the battery charges little to not at all. Yesterday, I got the thing from 14 percent to 100 percent in under 5 hours by powering off and detaching the accessory."
My experience was exactly as the writer describes. I did solve the slow-charging problem by purchasing Apple's 29w power brick and USB-C to lightning cable, but this did not help with the excessive battery drain while using the ASK.
My new 2017 IPP is happily free of this problem.
I hardly ever hold the ipad in one hand though. It's usually either on a table or propped up on my lap in bed. If I'm using it to read a book or a magazine I hold it one hand but it's still often partly resting on something too. So even though the 12.9 is quite bulky it's not a problem for me. I certainly wouldn't stand on a train holding it in one hand though.
Yeah and Camera, But honestly i don't need Camera and even didn't test it yet like never opened its App. LOL
Exactly. People use the iPad differently. Where you normally have it propped up on something, I'm normally holding mine in one hand and manipulating it with the other.