I have an old Intel MacBook Pro (I think it's 2013, 2014, or 2015) - do you know if I would be able to use that with the Studio Display?
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New 32-inch iMac Pro - do you think it's coming or not?
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I have an old Intel MacBook Pro (I think it's 2013, 2014, or 2015) - do you know if I would be able to use that with the Studio Display?
But it loses appeal to the many of us who like the aesthetics of an AIO solution. Obviously Apple doesn't think there are enough of us though.
If it’s a high end 2015:
- Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 3840 by 2160 pixels on up to two external displays, both at millions of colors
Then probably not. I don’t think it can power a studio display at full res.
Because if Apple made such an animal, they'd want four thousand dollars, and, if the screen is half as delicate os the 27s, users won't be impressed.
And if that screen is superior to the present Studio Display (e.g. ProMotion, perhaps tandem OLED) and available with a VESA mount then I’d only wait on Thunderbolt 5 before purchase.
If it had none of my wish list then I’d have to think long and hard before probably just getting a Mac Studio…
These stats are no more correct than those which claim Apple only sells a handful of Mac Pros per year. Do laptops outsell desktops? Absolutely. Is it 9:1? Unlikely. And even less likely is that the MacBook Pro outsells (handily, at that!) the “most popular laptop in the world”…
Apple has no plans to make a 27-inch iMac with Apple Silicon
No big screen all-in-one for you.www.theverge.com
Apple was very clear that they had no plans to bring back a 27" iMac, so everyone just upped the rumor to 32". It was always wishful thinking. I don't think it's going to happen. Over the last couple years we have gotten bigger iPad Air and bigger MacBook Air, because those are products that were already selling very, very well. With iMacs making up about 4% of total Mac sales, I doubt they have interest in adding even more SKUs and more inventory to the product (as well as more R&D, marketing, etc.). A 32" iMac would probably just end up cannibalizing Mac Mini and Mac Studio sales anyway.
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But back to your statements: while I can quibble with the details, the main thrust of the argument is likely correct. I also do not expect Apple to release a 32” 6K iMac. But I hope they do… my OG 5K iMac remains the sole faultless computing device in my history but Apple is correct: with a 24” iMac holding up the bottom there is no point in a 27” model and I will never buy a 24” iMac (my needs are MxPro, 32GB RAM, 4TB SSD… my wants are 32”, MxMax, 48GB RAM, 8TB SSD…)
32" iMac Pro is only a dream, But I think if they offered just 1 model of Pro a 27" iMac Pro with a Pro M4 chip and had tiers up to 48GB RAM, they would sell a lot. it's that space that doesn't want to buy a separate monitor, doesn't need a 32" but 24" is well only OK, but 27" is better, and doesn't need the Ultra power and more than 48GB RAM.
I think it's a large population of current 27" iMac holdouts and people like me that do OK with the current 24" 24GB RAM, but now we want a little more space, a little more RAM and a PRO M4. And I'll pay for it because I like the combo that much, I don't want to have to buy a monitor with a mini or or studio or need the extra power of Studio.
But if they do stop at 24GB RAM and no Pro M4 chip, I guess I'll have to go Mini, but odds are I'm buying another brand monitor and I don't want too do that.
So, today a top of the line iMac is what 2800? well I assume with the M4 it would be the same or close if nothing else changes... So upgrade it to 27" and upgrade to M4 pro with the higher graphics cores and go from 24GB RAM to 48GB, I think we're talking about 4 grand? but I'll pay, a current Mac mini with 27" studio display is about the same for the better M2 Pro 36GB RAM, maybe a little less, but I'm ready. I think I'll buy the Mini in October and Tim will announce an 27" iMac Pro in Jan, that usually how it goes.
I think it's a large population of current 27" iMac holdouts and people like me that do OK with the current 24" 24GB RAM, but now we want a little more space, a little more RAM and a PRO M4. And I'll pay for it because I like the combo that much, I don't want to have to buy a monitor with a mini or or studio or need the extra power of Studio.
But if they do stop at 24GB RAM and no Pro M4 chip, I guess I'll have to go Mini, but odds are I'm buying another brand monitor and I don't want too do that.
So, today a top of the line iMac is what 2800? well I assume with the M4 it would be the same or close if nothing else changes... So upgrade it to 27" and upgrade to M4 pro with the higher graphics cores and go from 24GB RAM to 48GB, I think we're talking about 4 grand? but I'll pay, a current Mac mini with 27" studio display is about the same for the better M2 Pro 36GB RAM, maybe a little less, but I'm ready. I think I'll buy the Mini in October and Tim will announce an 27" iMac Pro in Jan, that usually how it goes.
Seeing how the original iMac Pro base model was $4999, you can bet that a 32" model will be $6999 and above if one ever gets released.
I'm waiting to replace my 2017 iMac with either an M4 32" iMac or an M4 Mac Studio...whatever comes first.
It's going to be interesting to see the announcements at their October event, especially the new Mini and the M4 generation in general.
I'm hoping for Thunderbolt 5 controllers in the M4 package as this will allow for 120Hz 5k/6k displays (although such a display would also first have to be announced by Apple).
The new Mini might give some hints on the future Studio design, ports, etc. Also, I hope the new mouse and keyboard will be announced with USB-C.
Maybe, the road forward will be a bit clearer after the October announcements and we get a clearer picture of what to expect next in terms of Apple desktops...
It's going to be interesting to see the announcements at their October event, especially the new Mini and the M4 generation in general.
I'm hoping for Thunderbolt 5 controllers in the M4 package as this will allow for 120Hz 5k/6k displays (although such a display would also first have to be announced by Apple).
The new Mini might give some hints on the future Studio design, ports, etc. Also, I hope the new mouse and keyboard will be announced with USB-C.
Maybe, the road forward will be a bit clearer after the October announcements and we get a clearer picture of what to expect next in terms of Apple desktops...
...actually, the US price is more like $2000 (Studio) + $1600 (Display) + $150 (Keyboard) + $100 (mouse) = $3850 - remember that UK prices include 20% VAT. OK, some of us have to pay the UK price but if you want to compare things it's easier to stick to US prices.
Spec-wise, it's impossible to really compare like with like, but the M1 Max Studio, at launch, was probably comparable to the top-end i9 iMac. On things like I/O capacity it was half way between that and the $5000 iMac Pro. The Studio Ultra is more in $7000+ higher-end iMac Pro territory. The top iMac was $3199 plus $600 for the upgrade to 32GB RAM. (OK, cheaper RAM was available, but that option was always going away with Apple Silicon).
So the only real loss has been the lowest-end, sub-$2000 5k iMac - now you have the option of a Studio Display + Mac Mini starting at $2300 - which will probably run rings around old entry-level 5k iMac.
Up to you. You can get third-party stands for both configurations.
With the regular-M3 MBPs you can only drive two displays total, so you have to close the lid to run dual displays. Non issue with the M3 pro/max chips.
I used to use a laptop with an "elevator" stand to keep it open and level with the large external monitor so I could use both screens.
I don't think anybody doubts that desktop sales are a small, and declining, fraction of laptop sales - ISTR Apple came up with the 1-in-10 figure back in 2017 and it probably hasn't gone up since then - so the 9% in the CIRP data is probably on the optimistic side.
However, I wouldn't give the time of day the actual figures and breakdown between models in that chart. No confidence intervals, no details of methodology, no dimensions (is it unit sales or revenue? both are common) => not worth the pixels it is rendered on. Then add the overall implausibility - if those were the actual unit sales its doubtful that Apple would bother making those models.
Being based on revenue would explain a lot - e.g. each Mac Pro equals 10 Mac Minis worth of revenue - but we just don't know. I suspect the low-end, regular M3, MacBook Pro sells in quite large numbers, or Apple wouldn't have such a large overlap between the top-end Airs and low-end Pros.
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I think the future of the Studio will depend on what happens at the top end of the M4 processor series. The main design goal of the Studio seemed to be to provide enough power and cooling for a M1 Ultra - and the Studio Max didn't originally appear until the M1 Ultra chip came out.
M3 Ultra was a no-show, M3 Max was a 12+4 CPU core beast (but showed no sign of having a fusion connector to make an Ultra version), and M3 Pro was more efficiency-oriented (6 perf + 6 eco cores) rather than being a Max with some GPU cores lopped off. Quite a significant change in the relative strength/weakness of the processor. So far, we've only seen the regular M4 - and it looks as if one of the distinguishing factors - the number of TB controllers.- has changed, which may ripple through to the Pro and Max variants.
There have also been murmurs that Apple were working on a true workstation chip. OTOH, I can't imagine the Mac Pro "PCIe slots but no GPUs" market being any more than a rapidly shrinking niche - and the Studio Ultra as the "son-of-trashcan" Mac Pro that Apple always wanted.
Now, if Apple had stuck with the classic Mac Mini design, along with the lower power consumption of the M4, I suspect it would have been easy to make a M4 Max Mini, and keep the "Studio" design for whatever the future "M4 Ultra" turns out to be. If they're determined to go for a palm-sized Mini Mini, though, that might not be able to handle a Max (both in terms of thermals and being able to support lots of ports).
I'd hope they stick with a Studio Max with 6xUSB-C and front ports - that would make up for the Mini Mini - even if the "Ultra" turns into an off-the-price-scale 2023 Mac Pro replacement.
No, currently both require their own power. A rumor is however that the new mini (or whatever it is called) could be USB-C powered meaning it could get power from the Studio Display and provide video over one cable (like the MacBooks can). Taking that a step further - My hope is that they take a new approach with a new Studio Display line and the new Mac where it could basically attach it without the need for any cables using a new connector that could handle both. Maybe something similar to the port on the iPad Pros and the Mac would either magnetically attach or snap/screw onto the ASD. Basically making it a modular iMac.
IF this were to happen, it would happen together with (or after) updated Studio and Pro displays, and it would be for a consumer device, with the base M4. It would not be an "iMac Pro" as it were. There is zero chance of that.
I still think a 30" Retina (3240p, 3x1080p) IPS panel would be a good compromise. It could go into both a larger Studio Display and a larger consumer iMac. It would not be an XDR display, but it could have ProMotion. I know there were rumors at one point that ProMotion was coming to the Studio Display...
I still think a 30" Retina (3240p, 3x1080p) IPS panel would be a good compromise. It could go into both a larger Studio Display and a larger consumer iMac. It would not be an XDR display, but it could have ProMotion. I know there were rumors at one point that ProMotion was coming to the Studio Display...
It's survey data, so not perfect. It is also a survey of US population, so not worldwide distribution. And Apple doesn't revise all models each year, so there are some pretty big swings on what is the most popular from year to year.
Here is 2023 as a comparison. More desktops last year, but still 77% laptops and MacBook Pro still has the top spot over the Air. I actually expected gains from the Air with those M1 ones being cleared out at Walmarts for cheap.
With most of the desktops being on M2 still, I am not surprised it dropped from nearly 4:1 to 9:1.
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Yes. They have been crystal clear—they even officially said they are not making the 27" iMac anymore. If they make a 32" display, it won't be in an iMac—it will be a new 32" display they sell seperately.
There are no market forces that make it plausible they would do this.
We keep talking about it because people wish it were true, but it is not happening.
Do we see there that the Mac Pro (3%) is outselling the Mac Studio (1%) ???Apple has no plans to make a 27-inch iMac with Apple Silicon
No big screen all-in-one for you.
Apple was very clear that they had no plans to bring back a 27" iMac, so everyone just upped the rumor to 32". It was always wishful thinking. I don't think it's going to happen. Over the last couple years we have gotten bigger iPad Air and bigger MacBook Air, because those are products that were already selling very, very well. With iMacs making up about 4% of total Mac sales, I doubt they have interest in adding even more SKUs and more inventory to the product (as well as more R&D, marketing, etc.). A 32" iMac would probably just end up cannibalizing Mac Mini and Mac Studio sales anyway.
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That can't be right?
Depends. Is this chart percent of revenue or percent of units shipped?
If the M4 Mac Mini is as mini as the rumors say, then look for a Studio Display coming soon with a built in dock to replace AIOs moving forward. That way people can choose their combos of CPU and screens or choose to purchase ala carte and attach to a Mac Studio or LG or M8 monitor or whatever they want. Remember, you heard it here first! 😉
No, I don't think it's coming.
There's been no substantial leaks, or really any at all. And no leakers or analysts have mentioned it in months or years.
And if it ever arrives, then its dropping years from now.
What I’d really really would like to buy is a 6K 34’ widescreen double layered OLED screen with antiglare and 240Hz. With both Thunderbolt and Display port. From any reputable brand. For $2000.
I can dream can I?
I wouldn’t want to hamstring such a device by building in a Mac. I ‘ll buy that desperately, thank you very much.
I can dream can I?
I wouldn’t want to hamstring such a device by building in a Mac. I ‘ll buy that desperately, thank you very much.
Because Apple has dragged their feet in the past with glacially slow product updates.
Personally, I've given up on the all-in-one form factor. I would much rather invest in a quality display that I'll likely keep for a couple of cycles of processor upgrades going from my M2Pro Mini now to an M6-ish processor in the future and then perhaps an M10 when they get to double digits... MUCH more flexibility.
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I think the real problem here is that a late model 27 inch iMac was a hell of a deal, expandable, cpu swappable, ssd could be changed, etc. all starting on a regular sale at like 1599. There’s no way to get an equivalent deal with a cutting edge monitor for the same price. Apple killed it, I suspect, because it made to much financial sense for the buyer. The fact that so many folks replaced them with minis or studios with the LG 5k display or a Dell doesn’t seem to bother them.