New Apple TV coming in 2016?

[d21mike]

Really depends on the Apps you buy or plan to buy. By far Games are the most usage of storage.
But the Channels App for Live TV now allows for a 8GB buffer to be used for PAUSE/REW/FF.
Because of the Games I bought (mainly for the grandkids) I have about 43gb left on my 64gb version. So you subject 8gb from 43gb then I am down to 35gb while watching Live TV. Getting pretty close to maxing out a 32gb.

I am not suggesting you will ever need more then a 32gb version but I am happy I got the 64gb.

 

[nebo1ss]

The current Apple TV already has 4k output capability. It's CPU/GPU are quite capable of streaming 4k content. This is a pretty durable hardware platform that could have 4k enabled via a software update. There is nothing that would be required of this box for the next few years that would require a hardware update.
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Clearly... lol

This is clearly wrong since there is a hardware upgrade needed to support HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2

 

[gugy]

I really don't see Apple releasing an ATV so close from the announcement of last year. Sorry but maybe 2017 we might see an update but not this year. Apple will first build confidence with the app development and then eventually down the road bring new hardware features and 4K. This year is all about software/apps.

 

[mcdj]

There have been 4 Apple TVs in 8 years, or one every two years. I would not expect that rate to change for 2016.

 

[Snoopy4]

This is clearly wrong since there is a hardware upgrade needed to support HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2

You can run 4K at 30fps on a 1.4. It's not spec'd as 2.0 and 2.2, but it's possible it's just a spec. The hardware itself may be in the unit itself just not functional without an upgrade. This is the optimism in me hoping, but in all likelihood we'll need a new unit. I think this thing was spec'd long before 4K was finalized and it's delays to market resulted in dated hardware. I mean we were hearing about this thing for well over a year.

I'm also a bit concerned that Apple is foregoing picture and sound quality on this in an effort to save bandwidth rather than simply put out the best and most technically advanced product they could. It seems like they simply don't care figuring people will use ATV exclusively to feed secondary rooms in the home and mobile devices where 1080p and 5.1 is plenty rather than make it the main hub for a home theater. 7.1 audio is doable now yet they don't offer it in the media files themselves while other services have moved on. Further, they have made a mess of 5.1 with some sort of bastardized signal processing.

The other problem is they don't participate with the entire digital copy environment (UV) so a lot of physical media purchases need to be duplicated in iTunes to complete a collection. We don't use ATV in the theater because all streaming is garbage on a large screen, but it sure as heck would be nice to use it. I mean the whole idea of digital copy was buy physical media, leave that in your main viewing area and redeem a digital copy for your mobile devices and streaming devices in other rooms. They got that down, but then they want to insist this is the future of television. Well if it is the future of television, then you need to participate in the entire digital copy environment and your goal needs to be not to compliment physical media, but to supplant it.

It's a little frustrating, at least for now. They stepped into the videophile room with this thing so I think a lot of demand to keep up will force their hands to improve the product, but there is nothing more frustrating than waiting for your choice of ecosystem provider to catch up with the competition.

 

[mattopotamus]

I would not be surprised by a new ATV very late this year or by March next year. IMO they were smart to wait on 4K to mature before implementing it. Is there even a streaming device with 4K HDR support, outside of the 4K blu ray players?
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You can run 4K at 30fps on a 1.4. It's not spec'd as 2.0 and 2.2, but it's possible it's just a spec. The hardware itself may be in the unit itself just not functional without an upgrade. This is the optimism in me hoping, but in all likelihood we'll need a new unit. I think this thing was spec'd long before 4K was finalized and it's delays to market resulted in dated hardware. I mean we were hearing about this thing for well over a year.

I'm also a bit concerned that Apple is foregoing picture and sound quality on this in an effort to save bandwidth rather than simply put out the best and most technically advanced product they could. It seems like they simply don't care figuring people will use ATV exclusively to feed secondary rooms in the home and mobile devices where 1080p and 5.1 is plenty rather than make it the main hub for a home theater. 7.1 audio is doable now yet they don't offer it in the media files themselves while other services have moved on. Further, they have made a mess of 5.1 with some sort of bastardized signal processing.

The other problem is they don't participate with the entire digital copy environment (UV) so a lot of physical media purchases need to be duplicated in iTunes to complete a collection. We don't use ATV in the theater because all streaming is garbage on a large screen, but it sure as heck would be nice to use it. I mean the whole idea of digital copy was buy physical media, leave that in your main viewing area and redeem a digital copy for your mobile devices and streaming devices in other rooms. They got that down, but then they want to insist this is the future of television. Well if it is the future of television, then you need to participate in the entire digital copy environment and your goal needs to be not to compliment physical media, but to supplant it.

It's a little frustrating, at least for now. They stepped into the videophile room with this thing so I think a lot of demand to keep up will force their hands to improve the product, but there is nothing more frustrating than waiting for your choice of ecosystem provider to catch up with the competition.

But HEVC has to be present to stream, which is hardware.

 

[Snoopy4]

But HEVC has to be present to stream, which is hardware.

As understand it, it's present in other devices but off at the moment. No reason it can't also be present on ATV4, but off.

 

[NotTheOne]

My guess is it'll just be a minor revision to cut manufacturing costs this year or maybe a small minor feature update if at all. Bigger updated and 4k in 2017 is more likely giving Apple's history.

 

[mattopotamus]

As understand it, it's present in other devices but off at the moment. No reason it can't also be present on ATV4, but off.

What devices? I can not think of a single device that supports HEVC where it is not advertised. It reminds me of the first sony fmp 4k player. It does not have HEVC, so it cannot stream from netflix, amazon, etc.....it can only download sony store content.

Everyone hoping there are hidden gems in the current ATV are living under a rock. I will eat my shoe if the current ATV streams 4K.

 

[Snoopy4]

What devices? I can not think of a single device that supports HEVC where it is not advertised. It reminds me of the first sony fmp 4k player. It does not have HEVC, so it cannot stream from netflix, amazon, etc.....it can only download sony store content.

Everyone hoping there are hidden gems in the current ATV are living under a rock. I will eat my shoe if the current ATV streams 4K.

Yes, it's called an iPhone.

 

[mattopotamus]

Yes, it's called an iPhone.

I guess I mean HEVC to decode 4K. Is there any streaming device that has later activated HEVC? Apple would definitely make that information public if it was the case. That would be like having NFC but never mentioning it.

 

[Snoopy4]

I guess I mean HEVC to decode 4K. Is there any streaming device that has later activated HEVC? Apple would definitely make that information public if it was the case. That would be like having NFC but never mentioning it.

4K is just the package contents. HVEC is the vehicle.

 

[Blujelly]

I'd say 2-3 years tops before we see another ATV which I can imagine to have 4K capabilities, plus some other twerks every thought it was missing.

 

[Wando64]

Apple hasn't made any announcements about a new ATV -- so any type of answer would be speculative and rumor...

You might need to take another look at the name of this website.

 

[benjitek]

You might need to take another look at the name of this website.

Why's that...?

 

[GoCubsGo]

Why's that...?

Because the premise of this site is about rumors.

 

[benjitek]

Because the premise of this site is about rumors.

Right... but the OP didn't start out requesting "rumors" -- thanks though for stopping by

 

[GoCubsGo]

Right... but the OP didn't start out requesting "rumors" -- thanks though for stopping by

True, but you brought up the fact that it would be speculative and a rumor and that is what the other member was referring to. Glad I stopped by, you can sit down now.

 

[Wando64]

Why's that...?

Top left of this page "MacRumors, News and rumours you care about"
Do you need more clues?

 

[benjitek]

Do you need more clues?

Plenty of factual info to go around here as well, maybe just not from you...?

 

[blackmagicsmith]

Apple TV 5 is coming this October that will feature faster CPU for better video games, 4k/HDR, and bluetooth 4.2 for connected home hub. Most don't realize that the current apple TV only supports bluetooth 4.0 which is not as good for connected home. The next update of TvOs will feature Siri & Homekit SDK support to allow partners to create Echo like accessories. Apple needs to compete with Amazon, Google, Roku, etc. who are doing annual releases and lower the Apple 4 price to make it more accessible. As far as 2017, the Apple 6 will feature new remote design with TouchID( home shopping) and sensors.

 

[Mac... nificent]

Apple TV 5 is coming this October that will feature faster CPU for better video games, 4k/HDR, and bluetooth 4.2 for connected home hub. Most don't realize that the current apple TV only supports bluetooth 4.0 which is not as good for connected home. The next update of TvOs will feature Siri & Homekit SDK support to allow partners to create Echo like accessories.

Thanks for your best guess. Got the correct lottery numbers for tomorrow?

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Apple TV 5 is coming this October that will feature faster CPU for better video games, 4k/HDR, and bluetooth 4.2 for connected home hub. Most don't realize that the current apple TV only supports bluetooth 4.0 which is not as good for connected home. The next update of TvOs will feature Siri & Homekit SDK support to allow partners to create Echo like accessories. Apple needs to compete with Amazon, Google, Roku, etc. who are doing annual releases and lower the Apple 4 price to make it more accessible. As far as 2017, the Apple 6 will feature new remote design with TouchID( home shopping) and sensors.

While I've owned every model of TV including the latest, THAT is an TV I'd buy for every TV in the house. Wishful speculation or not, I hope you are right.

To that, I'd add:

• Make Homekit compatibility less costly so that the same stuff with that compatibility is not about twice as much. I don't want to pay $229 for door locks otherwise available for about $100 just so that I don't have to pull a key out of my pocket or punch in a numeric code. Convenience and "gee whiz" has some value but not 2X (or more) retail.
• Get tvOs basic video consumption features "just works" right. How about NOT having a round of the faithful spinning bugs as "just one software update" this time? Just fast forward and rewind functions locked up my "4" the other day. It doesn't get much more basic than that. Test, test, test with real people watching real video and LISTEN to what they think is not working well... then fix it before rolling it out to ALL of us. Yes, that may jeopardize the "surprise"/secrecy but "the big reveal" loses it's shine when "the big reality" is feeling like beta or alpha testers for months and months thereafter. Gen 1 felt "just works." Achieve that again.
• Go back and resurrect the better features of past TVs and past TV software. Functions and functionality have been replaced with lessor/worse/no "solutions" in the most current version. Once you achieve "just works" adopt a "if it ain't broke" mentality, instead of re-inventing anyway and creating "just DOESN'T work" replacements.
• Local storage is still a very desirable feature for some. Normalize the USB port and resurrect local storage sync from Gen 1. As an optional feature, this would affect no one happy with the "as is".
• Network storage is still a very desirable feature for some. "The Cloud" is not an answer for everyone. A "local Cloud" is a great option. As an optional feature, this would affect no one happy with the "as is".
• Flipping app to app to see what's on is NOT "the future of television." I continue to believe the at-a-glance, on-screen guide of the "old" model is far superior to having to open, sometimes login (again), close, open another, etc to find something to watch. The hopping app-to-app approach seems to doom the ability to discover new shows without other people selling us to try and locate them. Offer BOTH options?
• If this is to be the "future of television" give us a platform that directly competes with the best of what is available now. To me that means, make the video and audio hardware on par with the best we can get via BD players and adopt more modern codec support than- say- 1991's Dolby Digital. Much progress has been made in video and audio packaging. Catch up.
• I don't think one remote can ever "fit all." So, create dedicated remote codes for all functions so that people can use whatever remote they want and have as close to full control of the device as possible.
• Back off the remote-as-game-controller mandate. Instead, demote that to a desired/recommended push and embrace a real game controller(s) standard, tagging games that require a separate controller accordingly in the store. Mandating remote-as-a-controller is short-changing the gaming potential of the box and probably preventing many games from being ported.
• Make accessing the app store possible via computer and significantly improve the ability to find desirable apps.
• The al-a-carte channels or al-a-carte shows dream slung around here is immensely appealing- even if they are unlikely to be realized at the oft-slung steep discounts and oft-wanted addition of "commercial free." Still, anything in that direction is better than nothing, even if it comes with realistic pricing and leverages the subsidy benefit of at least some commercials.
• Compete with the competition by dedicating teams, money and other resources to this product and tasking that dedicated force to catch up and step ahead of the direct competitors. This product still feels like it's in hobby status. Try dedicated, FOCUSed talent, money, etc and watch this finally take off as we all know it can.

Personally, I think this could be one of Apple's best products- even a growth product itself- and would love to see Apple allocate the focus to it as if pretending like it was Apple's ONLY product... or one as important to Apple as iPhone. Imagine the possibilities if they went at it like that.

 

[Lop1]

 

[JeffPerrin]

Would love to see a "Gaming Edition" Apple TV built to take on the console game systems. IMO, it's paramount for Apple to bring A-list game developers on-board in order for the Apple TV tvOS App Store to break big (as compared to iOS).

My proposed "Gaming Edition" Apple TV specs:
- A9+ chip with high clock rate (ATV has no battery life to worry about)
- 256 GB storage ('cause games!)
- 8 GB RAM (in-line with console specs)
- Includes official "Apple Gaming Controller"

Kids these days (including my own 13-year-old) are playing casual games "on-the-go" via iPod/iPhone, while heading to the PS4/XBox for the big-screen attractions. ATV isn't even on their radar...