New Canon 30D First Impressions

[law guy]

The 17-40 f4L is going for $629 on B&H using the psmar promotional code...and starting April 1st, there will be a rebate of $50 on it too, bringing it down to $580 which is a much more reasonable price. I'm also looking at the new Tamron 17-50 f2.8. However, If I could justify it, I'd be getting the Canon 17-55 f2.8 IS...but that is way more expensive.

I saw the rebate info on another forum - although it looks like it was removed (can't find it again). How does one use a promotial code at B&H - I tried putting the 17-40 in my cart and going to check out to see if I could get a promo code box, but I didn't see anything.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

How much do you know about the promo from Canon, cause thats when I'm gonna buy my next camera, as soon as they have a promo. If the price difference between 20D to 30D is 200-300 bucks I'll get a 30D. If any more difference the feature set just isn't worth it. I was hoping for a 10MP sensor, everything else is just right. Where is the new sensor though?

There are rebates coming from Canon, but not on the 20D or the 30D, as of now.

 

[law guy]

30D Information on the Net - some useful or at least interesting links

I have spent some time surfing around looking at sites with information on the 30D and thought it might be useful for others to put together a brief set of links re: the 30D. There are a lot more "previews" out there, but those seem to be write-ups based on press releases more than anything else, so I didn't iinclude those.


From the Canon Digital Learning Center page:
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/index.html
Vincent Laforet with some nice photographs and some interesting narrative from Hawaii

Review from DC Resource:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_30d-review/index.shtml

Patrick Singleton's review from digital camera info.com
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-30D-First-Impressions-Review-.htm

CNET review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_EOS_30D_with_18mm_to_55mm_lens/4505-6501_7-31755772.html

UPDATE (April 4): DPReview just posted: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/

Manual:
From the Canon web site (it's the first .pdf):
http://alpha02u.c-wss.com/inc/ApplS...LA=1143811904722&SV=WWUCA900&menu=MA&TRF=MAIN

 

[jared_kipe]

There are rebates coming from Canon, but not on the 20D or the 30D, as of now.

Really? I'm disappointed, do you have a link to the form?

 

[law guy]

Really? I'm disappointed, do you have a link to the form?

Jared - a scan of a paper list is over on POTN - here's the link, scroll down a bit, it's a b&w xerox-looking scan, but it's legible. The rebate period is April 1 to July 15.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152774&page=2

 

[jared_kipe]

Jared - a scan of a paper list is over on POTN - here's the link, scroll down a bit, it's a b&w xerox-looking scan, but it's legible. The rebate period is April 1 to July 15.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152774&page=2

Very disappointed. I was really counting on this in hopes of affording a 30D. Now it looks like I might just have to get an old 20D.

 

[fitinferno]

I have spent some time surfing around looking at sites with information on the 30D and thought it might be useful for others to put together a brief set of links re: the 30D. There are a lot more "previews" out there, but those seem to be write-ups based on press releases more than anything else, so I didn't iinclude those.


From the Canon Digital Learning Center page:
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/index.html
Vincent Laforet with some nice photographs and some interesting narrative from Hawaii

Review from DC Resource:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_30d-review/index.shtml

Patrick Singleton's review from digital camera info.com
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Canon-EOS-30D-First-Impressions-Review-.htm

CNET review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Canon_EOS_30D_with_18mm_to_55mm_lens/4505-6501_7-31755772.html

Manual:
From the Canon web site (it's the first .pdf):
http://alpha02u.c-wss.com/inc/ApplS...LA=1143811904722&SV=WWUCA900&menu=MA&TRF=MAIN

Very nice set of links...thanks for sharing

 

[jared_kipe]

Thanks Jared - i should be more clear - wider range on the wide end. The two lenses I mentioned are aspirational at this point - the 17-40 is MUCH closer to reality than the 24-105 just given the difference between $600 some and $1200 some. I'll check out the Sig 18-50, it certainly is fast - I appreciate the recommendation. Did you have a chance to check out the distortion (more worried about barrel dist at wide end) or have you read anything about how it performs? I was thinking about the 20-35 canon in the near term, but the wide end distortion has gotten a fair amout of criticism on-line, and I'd be using it at the wide end quite a bit.

CP - appreciate your message; thought I should try to explain because I knew you were wondering a bit.

I lived in DC for 8 yrs and I do miss having flowers out at this time - nothing like that will be sprouting in NE for awhile. Let me know what your shop is via PM if you'd like - it's good to know good photo shops to frequent down there.

I missed that you asked about barrel distortion. Here is another review that covers that kind of stuff. http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/sigma_1850_28/index.htm

EDIT: Damn, I was gonna buy the 30D today, but nobody has it in stock.
EDIT2: I hate camera store people, several people told me today that "canon isn't shipping the 30D yet" HA HA BS. So Newegg has it, and I'm ordering, 3 day shipping, which usually turns out to be 2 day thanks to my proximity to them.

 

[law guy]

EDIT: Damn, I was gonna buy the 30D today, but nobody has it in stock.
EDIT2: I hate camera store people, several people told me today that "canon isn't shipping the 30D yet" HA HA BS. So Newegg has it, and I'm ordering, 3 day shipping, which usually turns out to be 2 day thanks to my proximity to them.

Thanks for the link - yes, being told Canon isn't shipping it yet is quite something, either 1) they really don't know (which is remarkable if you work in a camera shop, or 2) they do know but assume no one would discuss things like this on the internet and so just brazen it out.

The 30D is turning in some stunning results - I have a bit of a family reunion in progress - folks from the Pacific coast of Oregon, from Idaho, and my sister / brother-in-law nad new neice from London and I'm getting some really fantastic shots of my new neice and my daughter. Beautiful color. I'm taking pleanty of eh photos as well, but shooting enough that I am getting a few great moments out of every seperate situation.

My sister - who is much of a life-long photographer than I am (won awards in high school at open competitions, interned in NYC for a gentleman who shoots regularly for Nat'l Geo, etc.) has a 350D and we've had some fun checking out the other's camera. First - wow, that thing is compact - it's like a spy DSLR, although she has 28-135 IS USM on it, which gives it some real heft. Second - why, oh why doesn't Canon just label it a 350D in the US? It looks SO much more like the real tool it is without the "Rebel" badge. She, by the way, loves the 30D so I must make sure it doesn't stow away with her when they leave.

 

[bigbossbmb]

law guy, run a search on B&H for "psmar", which stands for promotional sales march, and you'll get the discounted prices for items like the 17-40L, 70-200 2.8L IS, and a number of bodies (including the 30D!).

I just ordered a 30D, 70-200 f4L, and 50 1.8...I can't wait til I get to play with the new toys

I'm going to wait to decided on mid-range zoom. It's between 17-40L, 17-55 f2.8 IS (sorta out of budget, but I can stretch), and the new Tamron 17-50 f2.8.

 

[jared_kipe]

First - wow, that thing is compact - it's like a spy DSLR, although she has 28-135 IS USM on it, which gives it some real heft. Second - why, oh why doesn't Canon just label it a 350D in the US? It looks SO much more like the real tool it is without the "Rebel" badge. She, by the way, loves the 30D so I must make sure it doesn't stow away with her when they leave.

You think thats bad, my walk around lens is the third from the left here, and the 28-135 is the third from the right. People always think its just gotta be some kinda mad telephoto lens.
"Wow, thats a huge ass lens, how far does it go"
"umm,, 24-70mm"
"...ahh ok...."

http://www.pbase.com/fstopjojo/image/41488008

 

[law guy]

law guy, run a search on B&H for "psmar", which stands for promotional sales march, and you'll get the discounted prices for items like the 17-40L, 70-200 2.8L IS, and a number of bodies (including the 30D!).

I just ordered a 30D, 70-200 f4L, and 50 1.8...I can't wait til I get to play with the new toys

I'm going to wait to decided on mid-range zoom. It's between 17-40L, 17-55 f2.8 IS (sorta out of budget, but I can stretch), and the new Tamron 17-50 f2.8.

Thanks - will do. That's a great box on its way to your door - congratulations!

Jared - nice comparison photo - that 24-70 is chunky.

 

[jared_kipe]

Jared - nice comparison photo - that 24-70 is chunky.

Its an awesome lens, its a shame that I remembered I haven't done my usual tests before I sent out my 300D to an old friend of mine.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Thanks for the link - yes, being told Canon isn't shipping it yet is quite something, either 1) they really don't know (which is remarkable if you work in a camera shop, or 2) they do know but assume no one would discuss things like this on the internet and so just brazen it out.

Depends on ones definition of a "camera shop", and the product you are talking about.

With the shop I work at, major brands and new products are communicated pretty well. Though until it hits our door step, the product isn't shipping yet.

You have to also realize that if there is more than one store front for a company, that there may be a day or two lag behind the product hitting the warehouse and it hitting the stores.

And though some of us live on the net and the forums; most sales people don't (at least at the shop I work at).

Add to the discussion, that smaller shops may be at the end of the food chain as to product shipping due to their low volume.

So in this case Newegg had it first, and the local store didn't know about Canon shipping the 30D. No big crime, or reason to slam people working with the info they are given. Constructive comments should be given to the store managers and owners so that the staff can meet these high expectations.

If one buys off the net, then remember to seek support on the net.

 

[law guy]

Depends on ones definition of a "camera shop", and the product you are talking about.

With the shop I work at, major brands and new products are communicated pretty well. Though until it hits our door step, the product isn't shipping yet.

You have to also realize that if there is more than one store front for a company, that there may be a day or two lag behind the product hitting the warehouse and it hitting the stores.

And though some of us live on the net and the forums; most sales people don't (at least at the shop I work at).

Add to the discussion, that smaller shops may be at the end of the food chain as to product shipping due to their low volume.

So in this case Newegg had it first, and the local store didn't know about Canon shipping the 30D. No big crime, or reason to slam people working with the info they are given. Constructive comments should be given to the store managers and owners so that the staff can meet these high expectations.

If one buys off the net, then remember to seek support on the net.

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Sure Chip - it just struck me that since the 30D actually was available first at the smaller shops (or so it seemed to me given the reports of who had stock on the Canon forums) (including my family run, non-chain, one location only camera shop in western MA where I purchased mine) - by two to three days or a week - over the large shops and that the camera forums have been buzzing with info on the relase date for the last few weeks, I was surprised that the camera shop employees at Jared's retailer wouldn't be keeping up with all the buzz on the web forum threads like this: http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=148701; or http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=151828&page=3&30d+release By the time Jared posted even several larger larger operations had received stock - from B&H in NYC to Ritz to Amazon to Onecall in Spokane, WA and there was widespread feedback on the forums from folks who had purchased all over the US from a few days prior from smaller shops like mine to the mid-size places like Roberts Imaging and Jano's in TX (which remarkably had them a week prior to this last Friday). So the statement "Canon isn't shipping it yet" reported on the date that Jared reported it being said to him was just incorrect - it may be the case that they weren't shipping it to that shop for some reason, but that's different from Canon not having shipped the product in general. But you're right - the folks at the place Jared went to may not be following the information on camera release themselves and may only have taken a manager's word for it.

 

[jared_kipe]

Just thought of something, how does the 30D work with Aperture? If someone wants to upload a RAW from the 30D I can see what Aperture thinks of it. Hopefully 1.1 will support 30D natively.

 

[Clix Pix]

Just thought of something, how does the 30D work with Aperture? If someone wants to upload a RAW from the 30D I can see what Aperture thinks of it. Hopefully 1.1 will support 30D natively.

Since it's a new camera it won't be supported by the current version of Aperture, but maybe it will be supported by the new version, especially since that hasn't been distributed yet. Waiting for the new version so that I'll have support for my D200....

 

[jared_kipe]

Since it's a new camera it won't be supported by the current version of Aperture, but maybe it will be supported by the new version, especially since that hasn't been distributed yet. Waiting for the new version so that I'll have support for my D200....

But everything image wise is exactly like the 20D, so I don't see why it wouldn't. Well I see why, cause in the raw file it says a 30D made the file and might make Aperture balk at decoding it. But unlike the D200, the image sensor and file type is already supported.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Since it's a new camera it won't be supported by the current version of Aperture, but maybe it will be supported by the new version, especially since that hasn't been distributed yet. Waiting for the new version so that I'll have support for my D200....

In Photoshop, there are continually updated Camera Raw verions. Replace the file and you can decode the RAW file. Unfortunately, Nikon users usually have to wait longer for Camera Raw support because they don't like telling Adobe or Apple how to decode their RAW files.

 

[jared_kipe]

Any news on 30D support in 10.4.6?

 

[law guy]

Very disappointed. I was really counting on this in hopes of affording a 30D. Now it looks like I might just have to get an old 20D.

Jared - Dell's got them for $1154 body only (down from $1399) - details:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155473

 

[Clix Pix]

In Photoshop, there are continually updated Camera Raw verions. Replace the file and you can decode the RAW file. Unfortunately, Nikon users usually have to wait longer for Camera Raw support because they don't like telling Adobe or Apple how to decode their RAW files.

Adobe has already done their bit and the D200 and a bunch of other cameras are supported now, as of the most recent version of Camera Raw, which came out about a month or so ago.

 

[jared_kipe]

Jared - Dell's got them for $1154 body only (down from $1399) - details:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155473

Thanks for emailing it to me, but alas, they seem to have taken down the deal. I went and tried, but the discount never showed up, but it probably wouldn't matter too much since they charge sales tax up here. so -13%+8% So the 70 bucks saved probably doesn't offset what I would have to do to get rid of the one I already bought. Thanks though.

 

[law guy]

Thanks for emailing it to me, but alas, they seem to have taken down the deal. I went and tried, but the discount never showed up, but it probably wouldn't matter too much since they charge sales tax up here. so -13%+8% So the 70 bucks saved probably doesn't offset what I would have to do to get rid of the one I already bought. Thanks though.

Glad to hear you already got one!
It's academic, but you might find the DP review just posted to be interesting none-the-less: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/page29.asp

 

[jared_kipe]

Glad to hear you already got one!
It's academic, but you might find the DP review just posted to be interesting none-the-less: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/page29.asp

Way ahead of you, I check Dpreview daily, just like macrumors. If their forum system wasn't utter rubbish I'd probably spend more time on there. But usually I just look for new reviews. And listen to the sound clips of the shutter.