New iPad Pro...first folding tablet....

[840quadra]

But you have to admit here...you are being a little defensive about the iPad bending a little too easy for most people.

Look at the original video i linked. This is just a guy bending the iPad with his hands.
Anyone can objectively see that it does bend a little too easy.
Don't bring anything else into the discussion such as other product videos. Stick to the subject at hand.

By all accounts and reviews the 2018 iPads are performance beasts! I will probably get the 11 inch one with cellular....i don't need it...but I sure want it.

I can see where you would think that I am just here to defend Apple, Quite honestly I don’t really care what others do with their products, the gripe is with the style of bend testing that is now super poplar.

And I am sorry, we are in the alternatives section, other products are always part of every discussion on here, so asking that they not be brought up is a strange request.

Actually, that test should've been done in the design phase along with four corner testing, emissions testing, etc. and not post-ship.

Plus, the CR 'scientific test' isn't all inclusive since the hand test actually better simulates real world usage scenarios as the pressure is distributed like from in-pocket, falling asleep on device, hand on screen using pencil, etc. vs point concentrated. Furthermore, if a product fails a distributed pressure test then it will only perform worse with a point pressure test.

I can see your point, though assembling a rig to test for a distributed bend wouldn’t require much work. Hand tests are just too messy and seem to be inconsistent. Thumbs touching, overlapping, gapped apart, plus the length of fingers, strength of the person / etc all play factors in it being a nebulous test.

Finding some type of standard test situation would be awesome, but, highly unlikely to be implemented. These aren’t cars that need to be crash tested, nor do people need to use their phones as some type of climbing spike.

Our views on a subject is largely influenced by experience level, biases and personal mishaps. I'm an Apple user since the 1980s but am also brand agnostic pro-consumer vs pro-big corp with experience in product development so my view will likely differ from others.

Fair enough, and I am in a similar boat after being in IT since the late 90s, and having grown up in a house with Mac and PC equipment, as well as a few flavors of Linux.

Amazing how far tech has gone, and how advanced these devices (some we argue about) are these days! I still remember being excited about having a color screen on a flip phone back in the day, and being able to use it as a Modum for my beige Toshiba laptop with a passive matrix screen!

 

[zhenya]

Apple 100% does rigorous testing of this sort in-house. They have a target value and the device meets that standard.

Of course these devices can be bent when you put your thumbs at the bend point and use the leverage created by a relatively large slab. These videos are 100% click bait (and yes, you should feel bad for clicking, worse for posting this garbage). It’s also entirely within reason to suspect that the device was heated before-hand to soften the glue that is known to act as part of the structure of the device.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

For something that expensive, it should NOT bend that easily. No excuses!!!!

Don't wanna hear the wrong and right way to bend stuff, when there are products that can barely be bent.

If you know that your the type to fall asleep while using it on your bed or couch, maybe you should give this purchase a second thought. The same if you travel a lot, or have small kids that are prone to picking up everything they see.(kids are damn strong, LOL).

 

[mi7chy]

Okay, I finally watched the entire video. I have to say the scratching of the back and front glass demo is the most unfair and stupid testing I've ever encountered on any product.

The scratch and burn test on the screen, and the scratch test on the back of the iPad Pro is totally "click bait". Really? I can't think of one thing I own that would stand up to this kind of abuse AKA testing. Well maybe the diamonds in my wedding ring might survive this idiotic testing.

The bending test is also something I question.

Only someone who understands the reasoning and have historical perspective will see the value of these tests.

Common sand is a 7 on the Moh's scale so it will scratch most glass at level 6. Sometimes screens aren't even glass but instead plastic which is even worse. If you have that knowledge and are around sand like the beach then you'd want to put a screen protector on hence one of the reasons why screen scratch test is performed.

This video needs to be watched to have the historical perspective for scratch testing the back.

Forward to 1:00

Displays react differently to heat. Sometimes it's recoverable while other times it's not. Some screens have turned yellow from device load heat.

Companies love when you don't care or not informed because they can cut expenses on strengthening, materials and testing and you'll likely spend money to replace your device sooner.

 

[jazz1]

Only someone who understands the reasoning and have historical perspective will see the value of these tests.

Common sand is a 7 on the Moh's scale so it will scratch most glass at level 6. Sometimes screens aren't even glass but instead plastic which is even worse. If you have that knowledge and are around sand like the beach then you'd want to put a screen protector on hence one of the reasons why screen scratch test is performed.

This video needs to be watched to have the historical perspective for scratch testing the back.

Forward to 1:00

Displays react differently to heat. Sometimes it's recoverable while other times it's not. Some screens have turned yellow from device load heat.

Companies love when you don't care or not informed because they can cut expensenses on strengthening, materials and testing and you'll likely replace your device sooner.

Are you suggesting the video referenced is somehow scientific? Just wondering? I'm concerned about this person's fairness. Again, scratching the back and front with a box cutter seems pretty unscientific to me. How would one measure force? How would a consumer trust this kind of testing? If this was a Consumer Reports test comparing with other tablets I'd give it some credence.

 

[mi7chy]

Again, scratching the back and front with a box cutter seems pretty unscientific to me. How would one measure force?

Did you really watch the video from 1:00 to 1:36?

 

[jazz1]

Did you really watch the video from 1:00 to 1:36?

The iPad Pro?

 

[jamezr]

I can see where you would think that I am just here to defend Apple, Quite honestly I don’t really care what others do with their products, the gripe is with the style of bend testing that is now super poplar.

And I am sorry, we are in the alternatives section, other products are always part of every discussion on here, so asking that they not be brought up is a strange request.

But you have defended Apple in this situation. Then I'm not the only one that came to that conclusion. Just read the thread.

Of course we can talk about other products here in the alternatives section of MR. Who said we could not?
That is not what I meant when I said let's stick to the thread discussion.

 

[840quadra]

But you have defended Apple in this situation. Then I'm not the only one that came to that conclusion. Just read the thread.

Of course we can talk about other products here in the alternatives section of MR. Who said we could not?
That is not what I meant when I said let's stick to the thread discussion.

I don’t think I have, and I have remained on topic.

You should know me well enough by now to understand that I am relatively platform independent. I will not refrain from calling out when Apple, google, or any brand is being treated unfairly, and that I am open minded.

Don’t confuse asking questions, with being defensive.

 

[jazz1]

When someone posts they have a new iPad, and they can honestly say that in normal use the iPad bent, warped, or the screen cracked under reasonable use Ill concede. I'm a bit wary of the "dog ate my homework". Sure, I can concede that thinner could be a concern. But, since I own one I think I can state I'm generally not buying the humidity bent my iPad

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Are you suggesting the video referenced is somehow scientific? Just wondering? I'm concerned about this person's fairness. Again, scratching the back and front with a box cutter seems pretty unscientific to me. How would one measure force? How would a consumer trust this kind of testing? If this was a Consumer Reports test comparing with other tablets I'd give it some credence.

The fact that you mentioned force, means you don't understand the science behind the scratch test. You'll end up breaking a razor before scratching a material much harder that it. Which is why harder substances like sapphire is used as a premium scratch resistant glass.

 

[jazz1]

The fact that you mentioned force, means you don't understand the science behind the scratch test. You'll end up breaking a razor before scratching a material much harder that it. Which is why harder substances like sapphire is used as a premium scratch resistant glass.

As compared to what? A diamond? Tell me what laptop> tablet can withstand a box cutter? This can’t be a real world test. BTW my fingers have not damaged my iPad Pro so far.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

As compared to what? A diamond? Tell me what laptop> tablet can withstand a box cutter? This can’t be a real world test. BTW my fingers have not damaged my iPad Pro so far.

Every material (glass in this case) has a level of hardness on the Mohs scale. Even professionals like geologists use the Mohs scale.

In layman's terms .... It's near impossible to scratch glass made from a substance with a higher Mohs scale rating, using a material with a lower rating. Which is why a razor will just glide over hard substances like sapphire or a diamond without scratching it. If you try to use too much force the razor will just break. Again, just speaking in layman's terms, there might be exceptions to the rule which is above my knowledge.

 

[1BadManVan]

Seeing them videos and threads of these new $1000 tablets bending so easily makes me happy with my thicker 6th gen iPad that definitely doesn’t have that same kind of flex lol

 

[Tsepz]

But you have defended Apple in this situation. Then I'm not the only one that came to that conclusion. Just read the thread.

Of course we can talk about other products here in the alternatives section of MR. Who said we could not?
That is not what I meant when I said let's stick to the thread discussion.

Exactly.

It's hilarious the defense that comes in when an Apple product is found to have a clear flaw.

This was not an issue with previous iPads but very clear is with the new ones.

Not worth arguing with fanboys at this point.

Hope Apple fix this soon

 

[tromboneaholic]

I've used an iPad Air 2 without a case for 5 years, and it's not bent. However, I remember a ton of videos that came out at the time about how easy it was to bend.

 

[5105973]

And there are videos out there with little kids bending Galaxy, and other tablets. Not sure this proves or disproves anything. Just take care of your electronics.

It proves this won’t survive as a family iPad for my family. Even my husband once found his iPad was slightly bent and he had no idea how it happened. He hand carried it and gently used it. And that was a normal thicker iPad from a few years ago.
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See what happens when companies remove the headphone jack?!‽

Lol!

That’s another thing against this iPad, for my family personally. Well myself and any kids who will use it. My husband doesn’t use headphones with his iPad, usually.

I think most of what Zack does on his tests are ridiculous, but they do provide a baseline after all these years. He has shown some phones can break ridiculously easily like that Blackberry KeyOne did.

 

[jamezr]

Exactly.

It's hilarious the defense that comes in when an Apple product is found to have a clear flaw.

This was not an issue with previous iPads but very clear is with the new ones.

Not worth arguing with fanboys at this point.

Hope Apple fix this soon

It is just common sense....if you make something extremely thin and large and flat......it will be susceptible to bending. That is unless you make it out of a material that won't bend. But aluminnum is not that material.

Too many here are blindlessly defending Apple out of brand loyalty.

 

[5105973]

It is just common sense....if you make something extremely thin and large and flat......it will be susceptible to bending. That is unless you make it out of a material that won't bend. But aluminnum is not that material.

Too many here are blindlessly defending Apple out of brand loyalty.

Just pray they never make iPads with glass backs. Yikes.

I had a seizure once and smacked my iPad mini 4 a few feet from where it was sat on the sofa. It is in a nice padded case from some Chinese vendor so it survived unscathed. Boy was I glad I stopped using the thinner Apple cases and covers! I had just changed over to that case, too! Talk about fortuitous timing!

I wonder what kind of pristine fussy life Jony Ive leads that he oversees these ridiculously delicate designs. They don’t need to look ruggedized like the Samsung Active line of phones, but I would think he and the engineers could come up with a chassis that manages to look elegant but still withstand life with a family of ordinary people. Which is what most iPads already have done...until now. This design could probably benefit from a steel band like the iPhone 4 had. But I guess that would add to the cost and eat away at the margins.

 

[Fernandez21]

Worth it, love my iPad Pro 11, love the thinness, don’t care if it makes it more bendable, it’s easily avoidable.

 

[jamezr]

Worth it, love my iPad Pro 11, love the thinness, don’t care if it makes it more bendable, it’s easily avoidable.

I want one! I have been trying to justify replacing my current iPad air. Right now my iPad Air does everything I need it to do. But that 11 IPP looks soo nice!

Do you have the keyboard case or pencil?

 

[Fernandez21]

I want one! I have been trying to justify replacing my current iPad air. Right now my iPad Air does everything I need it to do. But that 11 IPP looks soo nice!

Do you have the keyboard case or pencil?

I have the pencil and Smart Cover, no keyboard, if I’m doing something that requires a keyboard I’ll just use my MacBook.

This past month I got the iPhone XS, Apple Watch Series 4 and iPad Pro, and the iPad is my favorite of the bunch. It is just so comfortable to use with as thin and light it is, Face ID is awesome on it, and the new aspect ratio means smaller black bars when watching video. Of course performance is redonkulus.

 

[jamezr]

I have the pencil and Smart Cover, no keyboard, if I’m doing something that requires a keyboard I’ll just use my MacBook.

This past month I got the iPhone XS, Apple Watch Series 4 and iPad Pro, and the iPad is my favorite of the bunch. It is just so comfortable to use with as thin and light it is, Face ID is awesome on it, and the new aspect ratio means smaller black bars when watching video. Of course performance is redonkulus.

Thank you! You are making it hard for me to resist getting one!
Did you get the cellular model?

 

[Fernandez21]

Thank you! You are making it hard for me to resist getting one!
Did you get the cellular model?

Yup, got mine on at&t next, $55 a month (256gb)

 

[jamezr]

Yup, got mine on at&t next, $55 a month (256gb)

I just ordered the SG 11 IPP 256GB on AT&T too! Should get it Wednesday! Damn...these forums are bad for my bank account!