How did Apple handle this before throttling?
My 3GS, my 4, my 4s and my 5 don't seem to have issues.
My 3GS, my 4, my 4s and my 5 don't seem to have issues.
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The throttling fiasco as we all know was supposedly implemented to prevent the iPhone from crashing when the battery was cold and old. Someone over there thought it was better to slow down the processor to prevent a crash than to have it crash.
Since my iPhone 6+ with original battery is still in iOS 9, it doesn’t have any throttling crash protection at all. Maybe 3 times in 5 years during the winter when the phone was outside and maybe 39°F, the phone did crash soon after startup and rebooted itself. It was just a 30 second delay for the reboot then it was fine. Didn’t crash again.
A crashing iPhone because of a cold old battery is no big deal at all. Just a 30 second pause for an automatic reboot. But all versions of iOS since iOS 9 will throttle if one crash occurs now.
Since my iPhone 6+ with original battery is still in iOS 9, it doesn’t have any throttling crash protection at all. Maybe 3 times in 5 years during the winter when the phone was outside and maybe 39°F, the phone did crash soon after startup and rebooted itself. It was just a 30 second delay for the reboot then it was fine. Didn’t crash again.
A crashing iPhone because of a cold old battery is no big deal at all. Just a 30 second pause for an automatic reboot. But all versions of iOS since iOS 9 will throttle if one crash occurs now.
Cold weather indeed reduces battery power. But Apple did the "fix" to iPhone 6S universally. We don't get that cold here in California. But Apple had to slow down my 6S+ too. I took my 6S+ to Apple Store and the genius there checked the battery. They told me that the battery was fine and no need to replace it. But I insisted and they did replace it with a new one. Sure enough, it worked better after that.
If Apple did not get caught, they would benefit from people trading up from their act of slowing down 2-year old iPhones. Anyone disagree with this?
I just upgraded the iOS on my 11 Pro Max to 15.2. It works much better now. Previously, it couldn't connect to the same WiFi APs that worked before. After erasing everything and restoring from backup, per Apple Sr. Advisor suggestion, it could connect to these APs. But it was slower.
I wonder how much testing Apple does to new software releases on older phones. If they don't test various configurations of older phones, some phones would work better than others. I think this is what I am seeing here.
Some users have less tolerance for laggy behavior than others.
I used my iPhone 6 for 4 years before upgrading to an Xs. The 6 was passed down to my daughter, who used it for a couple of year before we got her an SE-2020.
My other kids are still using iPhone 6. One of them is getting a brand new iPhone 11 for Christmas, mainly because his games have gotten so buggy lately.
My other daughter opted to not update her iPhone 6 for whatever reason. It still works fine for her. I know that I wouldn't be able to use it and not get frustrated.
Apologizer? They definitely could've came up with much better ways of handling it but that doesnt mean what they did was bad. It had a good premise behind it. I say this as someone who's worked with computers for a very long time and when people's computers overheat / crash without warning, its the worse thing that happens to them. I think the same people would rather have the OS "be smart" and avoid a crash because of overheating or at least notify them.
Im not apologizing for apple, all I said it was a good idea in theory but could've been done better. Thanks for assuming things thou
Apologizer? They definitely could've came up with much better ways of handling it but that doesnt mean what they did was bad. It had a good premise behind it. I say this as someone who's worked with computers for a very long time and when people's computers overheat / crash without warning, its the worse thing that happens to them. I think the same people would rather have the OS "be smart" and avoid a crash because of overheating or at least notify them.
Im not apologizing for apple, all I said it was a good idea in theory but could've been done better. Thanks for assuming things thou
See? You knew that Apple could have come up with a better solution that could better benefit their customers, yet they came up with a solution that benefited themselves. Then, you tried to explain why it was not that bad.
Isn't this the definition of Apple apologizer in forum term?
And I used iPhone 5s for like 7 years before I upgraded to 12 mini…
I wonder what "annoyingly slow" is for you.
I wonder what "annoyingly slow" is for you.
See? You knew that Apple could have come up with a better solution that could better benefit their customers, yet they came up with a solution that benefited themselves. Then, you tried to explain why it was not that bad.
Isn't this the definition of Apple apologizer in forum term?
I still dont think its bad thou? Stopping a phone from crashing is a plus for the user regardless of the "poor" approach they took. I still think the normal user would choose their phone not crashing over their phone crashing. I bet if you ask any "non tech" person "would you rather have your phone crash or not crash" they would vote "not crash".
I dont know what "apple apologizer in forum term" means but whatever works for you man ?
I replace my iPhone every 3 years. Did not experience any degradation in speed or performance. However, the biggest reason I purchase a new phone is because of the battery's ability to hold a charge.
A friend of mine is still using an iPhone 5. No idea what version of iOS he has running on it, but he's still perfectly happy with it. Pretty much all he uses it for is texts, e-mails, phone calls, photos, and occasionally a bit of web browsing. I've never once heard him complain about the speed, battery life, camera, or anything else, and he never talks about wanting to upgrade. He's not a tech geek - to him it's just a tool and as long as it works and does what he needs it to do, he's not going to spend any money for stuff he doesn't want or need.
The battery on my 13 max pro has gone downhill since the least few updates , on ios 14 it was amazing , 2-3 days and still 75% plus it's far too big wish I'd got the normal size pro now tbh ( rant over )
Best iPhone I ever had was the 5 , that was almost perfect when I think about it
Best iPhone I ever had was the 5 , that was almost perfect when I think about it
The battery issue was already well explained, and Apple put a toggle way back in iOS11.3. I'm not sure why some people are still complaining today about it. You can turn it off if you don't want the throttling.
Err, not only Apple put out a dialog box when it happens (eg when the phone unexpectedly shut down for the first time), there's a toggle to turn the throttling off. This issue is already a non-issue since iOS11.3.
If your friends were working in Apple, then they should've at least provided you with their own support page.
iPhone battery and performance - Apple Support
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If you have an iPhone 11 or later I think replacing the battery after two years will give you like two years more of usage before upgrading.
That sounds strange, OP. I have a standard iPhone 11 and the speeds doesn’t seem noticeably different to when I bought it at launch.
I normally like to keep my phones for 4-5 years but this iPhone keeps giving me pain issues in my hand. It’s a bit too big, width wise. I noticed earlier this year that my friend’s iPhone 12 width is a little shorter than the 11 which made it more comfortable to hold for me. I may be trading in my 11 and getting a 13 Mini to keep for hopefully 4+ years.
I normally like to keep my phones for 4-5 years but this iPhone keeps giving me pain issues in my hand. It’s a bit too big, width wise. I noticed earlier this year that my friend’s iPhone 12 width is a little shorter than the 11 which made it more comfortable to hold for me. I may be trading in my 11 and getting a 13 Mini to keep for hopefully 4+ years.
Not my experience. My wife's iPhone X is still plenty snappy and my iPhone 11 Pro's only issue is that the battery is getting down to around 86% at full charge after 2 years. I was going to get the battery replaced, but I was recently told I'm being gifted an iPhone 13 Pro MAX 1TB as a gift for the free IT assistance I've given a Dr's clinic for the past year. I'll still probably get the battery replaced in it and then give it to my wife until the iPhone 14 comes out and get her one of those. We typically replace our phones about every 4 years unless something happens to them, like the screen popping out of the frame of my iPhone X and I thought I had damaged it and got the 11 Pro. Turns out it was a known battery issue but by the time I found out about that I had already disposed of the iPhone X. Needless to say, wasn't that happy that I spent $1200 on a phone I didn't really need to buy.
I am not suggesting it is a battery issue with my iPhone 11 Pro Max. As shown in attachment, iOS shows the battery is 99% and a third-party battery test app also confirms the battery is in great shape.
As I stated in the previous posts in this thread, my iPhone 11 Pro Max suddenly couldn't connect to WiFi APs in my own house and it was the only device (out of 20+) that had issues with WiFi. It became very slow too. This happened after I upgraded it to iOS 15.x. I contacted Apple Support and it got escalated to a Sr. Advisor. He suggested that I did a backup with iTunes, erased the phone completely, and recovered from the backup. That fixed WiFi issue but it remained quite slow.
That was when I posted my query here. Then I upgraded the iOS to 15.2. It seems to improve the performance a bit. What does this tell me? IMO, Apple has not done enough to ensure 2-year old phones operate reliably with their engineering effort. This is similar to the 6S fiasco showing Apple has strong motivation to make us upgrade to newer phones, above the rest.
Why wouldn't Apple develop battery weak warning for 6S? It would have cost them more to develop the software and it would yield less business return. They are doing it now because they got caught.
Why wouldn't Apple ensure my 2-year old iPhone 11 Pro Max work reliably after the iOS 15 upgrade? It would have cost them more engineering resources to ensure that. IMO, Apple did not spend sufficient engineering resource to ensure older phones with various configurations to upgrade reliably. Some older phone owners may just upgrade to the current models which would definitely benefit Apple more.
IMO, this is a near-monopoly business practice. To be fair, Apple is not the only company that does this. In fact, this seems to be the common practice. I work in the tech industry and have seen this many times. But this is a forum about Apple iPhones.....
This is exactly what I am talking about in this thread. These Apple "issues" make some customers upgrade their phones when they don't have to.
No you started a discussion about a perceived software issue and the post you quoted with a swollen battery is certainly a hardware problem.
I am not sure how you read this thread. The title and the content of my posts are about unnecessary upgrades every 2 years. If people have swollen battery issues, it is covered in this thread.
I have never had a swollen battery issue with any of my iPhones. But I can see with Apple's business practice (to be fair, this applies to many companies too), this known battery issue may not be known to many people.
Apple did have a battery recall program for the 6s specifically. Many people here got free battery replacement under that program.
And your grievance is understandable, but it’s no longer an issue since iOS 11.3. iOS will put out a warning when unexpected shutdown occurred and the throttling applied, and user can disable it. Not sure your point of complaining about it now.
And there’s plenty, I stopped counting after the first dozen posters, of members on here who do not have anywhere close to your views or experiences. New phone every two years is a myth hence.
I replaced the battery on my 6S Plus in that recall program.
This thread is about Apple's business practice, not just battery.
Strange logic you have. I don't know how you can conclude it is not a myth with your statement.
I had a brand new BMW 7-series sedan with lowered M-Sport suspension at one time. It drove like a dream, until the warranty expired. Then components started to fail left and right. One of my former co-workers worked in Germany in their auto industry. He was a mid-level management there. He told me that they ensured their components work reliably exactly in the warranty periods. Go figure.