New iPhone Starts Production Outside China Prior to Announcement for First Time

[Shirasaki]

What about North America and Europe? No plan(t)s there?

Of course no. Likely won’t have any built next year either.

“Roll up, roll up. Not only do we offer the screen lottery, now we have made in Indian or China. Get your ticket to play soon”

LMAO.

It would probably double the prices.

We will need to consider: higher worker wages, shorter working hours, stricter environmental regulations (so the factories can’t just dump their toxic rubbish anywhere they please), plus re-diverting supply chains away from their current main Asian hubs.

Can be tricky…

And obviously very expensive. Even with China producing those phones today, Apple is already going to raise the price of iPhone 15 lineups. Building them in US easily allow Apple to charge far higher price for base model than today.

So, in other words, responsibly.

Responsibility that Apple will NOT take.

Maybe if they double the price.

Or quadruple. They can get away with it either way.

What's really the difference there still charging us the same or more for there products? It benefits Apple not customers.

And Apple shareholders of course.
One cool benefit would be if tension in east Asia burst, at least you folks have new iPhone to hope for, rather than having no new gadgets to play with.

 

[Ameer_1]

Wages are not the reason manufacturing is in china.

See above...

I know, manufacture low and sell for profit thats how business work

 

[chouseworth]

“Manufacturing in India is a key part of Apple's plan to diversify its supply chain away from concentration in China.”

Better late than never given the geopolitical situation.

 

[k1121j]

So how great is this really? Made by a Chinese company outside China?

 

[3530025]

That may have been true 20, 30 years ago.

These days the reason everyone is producing in China is because all production is there, not because of low wages.

If you imagine poor chinese peasants who have no other options slaving away at Foxconn you should go to China someday - you'll find the place is nicer than the USA for the most part...

Not sure it was Tim Cook or someone else but they explained manufacturing in China like that: In China, there's endless factories and shops right next to each other.

If you need a weird screw you go next door and they manufacture it tomorrow.

In the USA, you can't get that item, you have to import it from China, and it delays production by weeks or months - and this is the case throughout all the supply chain. Everything is made and readily available in China, but not in other places.

Also if you need to hire 3,000 CS graduates by end of week, China is the only country in the world where that's possible. 1M people work at Foxconn. The scale is unimaginable.

This stuff isn't possible in the US (or most places)

That's only half of the truth.

The wages in China are still really low and work conditions quite bad compared to the US or Europe. That's the fact. Yes, it got a little bit better in the last years, but it is still really incomparable to the Europe or US.

Also there are so many people in China, which means many available workers to fill large factories easily (and "replacement" workers too). It would be hard to find all those people to do very low paid and repetitive job in the US or Europe.

 

[TheBeverage]

Production outside of China is great. I also never understand the arguments that producing phones where people are paid well, have decent benefits, at the literal cost of increased purchase price is a bad thing. I'd happily pay $2K for a phone in light of all that it does for me, at a 2-3 year interval (some would still upgrade annually) if that meant whoever was producing my phone was well paid, had benefits. I know it's a very unpopular opinion around here, but the annual iPhone release should go away. The changes YoY are so incrementally small now, that a 2 year cycle would be both more exciting and provide more meaningful changes. Focus on software YoY since that is where the user really notices differences in experience day to day.

Because India is known for its fair wages and respect for human rights...?

 

[fenderbass146]

Great news. Get everything out of china asap

 

[kaishockz]

Great news!

Excited for iPhone 15 from outside of China.

hmmm why?

 

[3530025]

hmmm why?

Because diversification. I don't like the fact whole West is pushing China's economy upwards by manufacturing everything just in China. I like to hear when companies stops using China as the only manufacturer.

Also I like India political situation a little bit more than China's. But that's just subjective thing.

 

[switz]

Most all of Apple's leading edge technology is now made off shore. It takes very little time to copy/and or use Apple's developed technology for competitive products like the Samnsung phones for years.

There is a different mind set in other places in the world. We designed, patented and built turbochargers for years in Indianapolis, Indiana. Mitsubishi in Japan was taking on building the 2.2L engine for the Dodge/Chrysler Caravans and wanted a small turbocharger to improve performance. During the conversations, they disclosed they had already been building our turbocharger as their laws ignored patents from other places. They agreed to allow us to license them to make the turbocharger.

That is the mindset throughout that region. Stealing technology costs lots less than creating it.

 

[Jay Tee]

Most all of Apple's leading edge technology is now made off shore. It takes very little time to copy/and or use Apple's developed technology for competitive products like the Samnsung phones for years.

There is a different mind set in other places in the world. We designed, patented and built turbochargers for years in Indianapolis, Indiana. Mitsubishi in Japan was taking on building the 2.2L engine for the Dodge/Chrysler Caravans and wanted a small turbocharger to improve performance. During the conversations, they disclosed they had already been building our turbocharger as their laws ignored patents from other places. They agreed to allow us to license them to make the turbocharger.

That is the mindset throughout that region. Stealing technology costs lots less than creating it.

I really don't agree with the patents model. Trade secrets should be kept secret.

 

[GDF]

Awesome - get everything out of China.

 

[norbinhouston]

Production outside of China is great. I also never understand the arguments that producing phones where people are paid well, have decent benefits, at the literal cost of increased purchase price is a bad thing. I'd happily pay $2K for a phone in light of all that it does for me, at a 2-3 year interval (some would still upgrade annually) if that meant whoever was producing my phone was well paid, had benefits. I know it's a very unpopular opinion around here, but the annual iPhone release should go away. The changes YoY are so incrementally small now, that a 2 year cycle would be both more exciting and provide more meaningful changes. Focus on software YoY since that is where the user really notices differences in experience day to day.

The workers are paid well for their respective country. Don't project your countries economy on other countries, it doesn't work like that.

 

[sdz]

Now if Apple can just get away from Foxconn completely.

Foxconn is taiwanese, no?

 

[falkon-engine]

Good. I am hoping that this move enriches the Indian people. What would be wild is to see some production moved to the USA...

 

[switz]

The USA power brokers converted a vibrant manufacturing based country to a services based economy. Wealth is created by trading pieces of paper vs actually making something and adding value that can be sold.

 

[GuruZac]

The workers are paid well for their respective country. Don't project your countries economy on other countries, it doesn't work like that.

Can you explain how well the Chinese workers involved in Apple manufacturing are paid, their benefits, and their respective quality of life? There was no projection happening. A little sensitive??

 

[BGarza]

I wouldn't flinch to pay twice the price if it was made in America. I really understand why most people would want to save money, but for the same reasons I would pay twice the price for local produce at a farmers market, I’d buy an American made iPhone. With that said, I would buy one hell of a protective case, and make it last twice as long.

 

[d5aqoëp]

indian manufacture still suffers massive quality control issues.

Apple disappointed with quality of iPhone production in India, 50% of casing rejected for not meeting quality standards

Apple is reportedly disappointed with the quality of iPhone production in India, with a new report from the Financial Times claiming that the Cupertino company is hitting several roadblocks in scaling up iPhone production in the

www.theapplepost.com

6 months old news. Looks like production issues have been resolved in last 6 months.

 

[cruiser34]

That’s Apple’s problem, not yours. They won’t accept phones that don’t meet quality standards. I understand your concern but we’ve got to try making stuff outside of China at some point.

i agree, more companies need to diversify away from China, they have a complete monopoly on manufacturing.

 

[gleepskip]

The workers are paid well for their respective country. Don't project your countries economy on other countries, it doesn't work like that.

ALL workers are exploited when large corps leverage currency exchange and local cost of living.

 

[CarAnalogy]

i agree, more companies need to diversify away from China, they have a complete monopoly on manufacturing.

Exactly, it’s not even about being anti-China, it’s just basic good business planning.

 

[ilikewhey]

6 months old news. Looks like production issues have been resolved in last 6 months.

til the next article comes out 😂

 

[GuruZac]

Because India is known for its fair wages and respect for human rights...?

When did I say India?? I said I‘d pay $2,000 for a phone if it meant the workers were paid well and had benefits if that’s what it took. Idealistic? Sure. But I also stand by my comment that anything produced outside of China is a good thing. All the apologists for Made in China is very puzzling. The assumption Apple would accept subpar quality on products made outside of China is purely speculative nonsense.

 

[GuruZac]

Exactly, it’s not even about being anti-China, it’s just basic good business planning.

That’s too much to handle on here it seems…😶