man, im so undecided. im not sure if i should go and get one of these refurbed ipods...8gb for £99! or wait a while (til May at the latest) in the hope of a 16gb nano 
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iPod New larger capacity 16gb Nano on the way?
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man, im so undecided. im not sure if i should go and get one of these refurbed ipods...8gb for £99! or wait a while (til May at the latest) in the hope of a 16gb nano
There's some speculation on this threat that a 16GB will never come... that is what is making ME worry now. It doesn't make sense that they didn't add capacity when they introduced the 3G Nano. Maybe they don't want it to move upmarket into Touch territory, although they seem to cater to totally different markets in my eyes... even if they had the same capacity.
I agree the use of a 3g nano is probably a little different from the touch. I mean I wouldn't like to watch a full length movie on the nano. For one thing you can forget about any subtitles, as others have remarked in various MacRumors forums. But I do like that nano for TV shows for some reason. I park the 3g nano in an older Altec Lansing speakerset, at more or less glance-down level on top of my microwave, and watch while I'm cooking or brewing the java or whatever.
So as big a fan as I am of the "more is less" just-audio nanos now - refurb 2Gb 2nd genners-- I can see liking a 16Gb video nano myself, holds more TV shows and I can still park it in that older speaker set.
Can't do that with my iPod touch, I have to use an audio cable into the speakerset, plus plug the touch into a USB charger with the dock connector cable and lean it against the speakerset instead. Lotta work for just a few minutes of watching something while cooking. Plus sometime I'd probably have that loosely tethered iPod touch dangling over (or in) a bowl of pancake batter and be up the proverbial creek with it.
So on balance I hope they do go ahead and make that 16Gb video nano!
So as big a fan as I am of the "more is less" just-audio nanos now - refurb 2Gb 2nd genners-- I can see liking a 16Gb video nano myself, holds more TV shows and I can still park it in that older speaker set.
Can't do that with my iPod touch, I have to use an audio cable into the speakerset, plus plug the touch into a USB charger with the dock connector cable and lean it against the speakerset instead. Lotta work for just a few minutes of watching something while cooking. Plus sometime I'd probably have that loosely tethered iPod touch dangling over (or in) a bowl of pancake batter and be up the proverbial creek with it.
So on balance I hope they do go ahead and make that 16Gb video nano!
It just seems to me that Apple is trying to move away from the whole tactile buttons to a more touch oriented system. i am going to say this now the ipod linehas stagnated since the 5th gen(even then it was nothing to special). The click wheel is dead(or at least on it's on its death bed), & Apple is touting the touch system.
Well Apple must not realize there are times we can use a clickwheel mechanism more easily than touch. Or times we don't need video. Even Apple engineers have to look at the road now and then while they're driving, sheesh.
that doesn't make ANY sense, of course there is going to be a 16 gb someday, apple sells TONS of these things, do you really think apple would drop it and let the competition take that huge market just like that??
when the 2nd generation shuffle was released it was only available in 1 gb, but now we have a 2 gb option, the iPhone and iPod touch also have the option of bigger capacities, and every 'upgrade' was released at a different date.
So i don't think there is any reason to believe there is not going to be a 16 gb nano, the iPod touch has another market and has a much higher price
Exactly. I use mine when I lift weights and I use chalk to improve my grip. I don't even want to know what chalk would do to that screen. I don't think it would last a week. The Nano has been incredibly durable inside its case, though. I love the click wheel. I can scroll while I'm driving without looking... just glancing occasionally until I pinpoint what I want. There is a time and a place for touch.
I agree that the niches are totally different and that the demographic is different... but I'm starting to wonder if Apple sees it that way. They ARE giving up that market share by holding out. The competitors are releasing similarly dimensioned 16GB and 32GB models with Bluetooth capability and Apple is resting on its laurels with no change in sight. Why? All those people snatching up the credit card sized Creative Zen (available in 16GB and 32GB) and the Sony w/ Bluetooth capabilities could be Nano owners if Apple wanted to lead this segment rather than letting other companies set the bar.
i agree with the fact that apple likes to hold out and keep us waiting, but that's what they always do, here in MR you can read hundreds of threads b!tching about why they don't release an upgraded iMac/MB/MBP/MP/MacMin with the newest processors, and that apple has forgotten about computers to focus on ipod and iphone and that they are going to buy a dell or whatever.
I also hate waiting, but the fact that we don't see what we want soon, doesn't mean we won't see it in the future.
(oh, and do you remember when apple change it's name from 'apple computers' to just 'apple'? there were people who almost swore that apple would stop making computers)
Right. I just hope I'm not waiting for months only to read an announcement that the Nano will be discontinued as Apple felt that the Shuffle and Touch sufficiently covered the niche.
I'm trying hard to stay loyal to Apple because I have loved every iPod that I've owned (except my 1G iPod... I loved it then but I hate it now). Both of my Nanos have rocked. Apple should not to continue to test the loyalty of its customers by forcing them to wait longer to enjoy equivalent technology. They've proven to have good business sense thus far, but eventually people (like me) will get tired of it and move to a competitor.
i really doubt that apple will discontinue the nano. it sells like mad! why discontinue it and replace it with the touch that costs like double?! it makes no sense.
i agree with an earlier poster that said that they didnt introduce the 16gb nano because it may take away sales from the touch. but now i think the time is right to introduce a 16gb nano!
hmmm...well we've seen updates to pretty much EVERY apple product recently...just the mac mini and the ipod nano left...so here's me hoping
i agree with an earlier poster that said that they didnt introduce the 16gb nano because it may take away sales from the touch. but now i think the time is right to introduce a 16gb nano!
hmmm...well we've seen updates to pretty much EVERY apple product recently...just the mac mini and the ipod nano left...so here's me hoping
I really doubt that will happen
I completely agree, I've also been loyal to apple but those zens are really tempting
COME ON APPLE, GIVE US THE DAMN 16 GB NANO!!
maybe next tuesday
Remember the Mini? That was selling well before Apple discontinued it. The competition is better than Apple in many ways, yet Apple knows people are going to buy their products, because it is cool and hip. So the consumer would instead be "forced"(as in the only options available from apple) to buy either the iTouch, the Classic or the Shuffle. It is a win win for Apple any way.
Bluetooth on an mp3 is yesterdays news. I can name at least 3 mp3 devices with bluetooth that came out years ago. Only thing Sony did was add a switch to turn it on and off so you don't have to go through a menu to turn it on and off. Then again most of those devices don't have the sound quality Sony has.
Just maybe people buy Apple products because their user interfaces and ease of use blow away the competition and not just because they think it's hip and cool. If that's not important to you then fine but most people aren't geeks like us and don't need features that they will never use with the bad interfaces or clunky controls that come along with them.
Most people I have spoken to as of recent they said they were not fond of the interface on the new ipods. Then again more people were surprise I could just drag a file from explorer or finder onto my device and play it with out the use of a 3rd party software. But, this is not the point. The point is Apple is moving away from the click wheel and to multi-touch. Once flash gets to 100gb(128gb to be specific) and more they will totally drop the stagnating Classic in favor for the current gen(at that point in time) or updated itouch and iphone.
How can you use the interface argument when Creative has a similar easy to use interface. Not to mention Creative has the patent for the interface. But this guy does make some sense. If they drop the popular Mini, they could easily drop the popular Nano.
I'm waiting one more Tuesday to see if a 16gb is released, then I'm taking the plunge. Knowing my luck, one will come out the week after
Yes, the iPod mini was discontinued but they replaced it with the nano, there's a possibility that maybe they will discontinue the nano, but just to replace it with another new ipod with similar features.
I am no apple expert or analyst, but as far as I know, you don't buy Apple products if you want the newest technologies, you do buy products from Apple if you want clean and simple interfaces, easy of use, acces to the most common and useful features without the need of having advanced technical knowledge, stability...
Apple has been succesful because of its ideas, easy to use features, and yes, also because their products somehow make you 'hip', and that's because they have excellent marketing strategies.
So if you want the newest technology, you are tech-savy, and you don't care about being 'hip', then apple is not for you.
it's not like thats good or bad, it's just that you are not apple's target audience.
about the nano being replaced by the shuffle, classic and touch, i really doubt it, most of the people want an iPod that's small as possible but that still have a screen to select what song to play next.
The shuffle doesn't have a screen, and the classic and touch are much bigger than most people feel comfortable with.
If apple were to discontinue an iPod, it is more likely that it would be the classic and even the touch, because the market for the shuffle and nano is much bigger, but i don't see any of that happening
As i said before, if apple discontinues the nano, it will be only to replace it with a new iPod to fill the huge gap between the shuffle and classic/touch
This is all just my opinion, of course.
That worries me. I will not buy a Touch. I think it's a very cool device, but it would not perform the function that I would use it for anywhere near as well as a Nano (or the Creative/Sony competitors).
I really doubt that will happen
I completely agree, I've also been loyal to apple but those zens are really tempting
COME ON APPLE, GIVE US THE DAMN 16 GB NANO!!
maybe next tuesday
Is Tuesday the day they typically make big announcements?
rlnhrt, I disagree with you on your point about the ipods success. I think it is successful, because its good and popular ad campaigns. When was the last time you say an ad for a Samsung, iriver, Cowon, Creative or even Sony mp3 on tv in North America(a few of these companies actually have ads in Europe, Korea and Japan)? MS is the only one you see making ads.
Think about, the Nano is the best selling ipod product. So, you would think Apple would have added at least a 16gb when the 3G with video came out. Seems logical, you add video support = need more space for music and now video. The ipod Nano and Classic have stagnated over the years. Sure the battery improvement is nice, but one could argue they could have done it years ago. Same thing with "gapless."
Think about, the Nano is the best selling ipod product. So, you would think Apple would have added at least a 16gb when the 3G with video came out. Seems logical, you add video support = need more space for music and now video. The ipod Nano and Classic have stagnated over the years. Sure the battery improvement is nice, but one could argue they could have done it years ago. Same thing with "gapless."
for the last 4 weeks or so...and historically...yes. the last few months have seen almost every apple product refreshed/updated.
the ad campaigns it's part of the marketing strategies that i mentioned, and actually I agree with you in that those ads are one of the most important things that have made the ipod succesful, and that products from other companies would be far more succesful if the had strong campaigns like apple.
But of course apple it's not to blame about that, they are business, it's obvious that they are going to do what it takes to make their products succesful, if the other companies don't make strong ad campaigns like apple, then that's their problem, not apple's
Returning to the main topic, i think that apple didn't added bigger capacities when they introduced the 3G nano, because the same day they also introduced the iPod touch with prices of $299 for 8 GB and $399 for 16 GB,
if they had doubled the capacity of the nanos to 8 GB for $149 and 16 GB for $199 they would have seriously hurt the new iPod touch sales, and apple wants his new baby to be as succesful as the others.
Now there's the option for a 32 GB iPod touch at $499 and the shuffles have dropped to $49 for 1 GB and $69 for 2 GB, if you analyze the current prices, you'll see that there's a huge price gap between the 2 GB shuffle ($69) and the 4 GB nano ($149). Apple tends to have small gaps in price so it kinda forces you to consider their most expensive products.
So, based in all that, my predictions are:
- the 8 GB touch will dissappear, and the 16 GB will drop to $299 and the 32 GB will be $399
- the nano's prices will drop by $50 (4 GB=$99; 8 GB=$149) that way they are gonna fill the price gap between the shuffle and the nano.
- an 16 GB nano will be introduced for $199
When will that happen? i have no idea.
I really doubt Apple is going to be making the 4gb Nano at $99. If anything that might get discontinued. Besides it is too early to talk about a price drop. Flash prices for 32gb have not gone down that much.
Perhaps the 16GB model will be introduced with the addition of the purple color tomorrow... wishful thinking, I know.