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Hey maybe there's a reason for this. If Apple is bringing back the Macintosh, then Mini gets the dual core, Macintosh the quads. That could then be a headless iMac with quad core and everything.

Keep dreaming. You'll need to go the hackintosh route to get the 'headless iMac'.

The thermal limitations of the Mini are holding it back, hence why a new design that can accommodate better graphics and CPU in the $800-$1600 range would make sense eventually.

I suspect the thermal features of the current chipsets are just as good or better.

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I'm not sure if the numbers are calculated in "Turbo mode" for the 1.4GHz i5 though.

Download the Intel Power Gadget and you see precisely what the clock speed is doing. Quite frankly, I'm impressed with the 1.4 GHz processor's performance.
 
Apple has really been screwing around with us today, first the iPad Mini 3 "update" (more like iPad Mini 2.5), and now the Mac Mini, with no server, dual and no quad, and less storage. I'm not sure if this is totally appropriate, but:

Steve would never have allowed this

One more vote for Craig to become CEO and the the Cooked-Bean counter to be ousted for these pitiful "updates"
 
I, too, am glad I have a 2012 Mini, but would like to point out the following at least to those in the UK who are looking to buy a Mini: now's a REALLY good time to check out the refurb store. Base model for £339? Yes, please.
 
Don't just moan, TELL THEM!!!

https://www.apple.com/feedback/macmini.html

Leave feedback.

Just left them feedback. Felt like categorising it under the bug section but chose Design/Ease of Use.

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I, too, am glad I have a 2012 Mini, but would like to point out the following at least to those in the UK who are looking to buy a Mini: now's a REALLY good time to check out the refurb store. Base model for £339? Yes, please.

But the old Minis don't have 802.11ac. I waited to get a better model than the 2012 quad core, but now there is none. I think I will probably need to keep on waiting till Apple hopefully fixes this situation with a Broadwell update. I hope they don't wait two years to fix this.
 
I was really hoping for a decent high model...but no Quad Core and not even an Iris Pro...that $1000 model is way way way overpriced for what it is!

I would consider buying one like this:

- i7 Quad Core 2.6GHz
- 8GB RAM
- 1TB HDD
- Intel Iris Pro 5200

Priced at $900
 
So glad that I bought a quad core i7 server model last year. Swapped out one of the 1TB disks for an SSD and upgraded the RAM to 16GB. Flying machine!

Its great for running VM's too as it has 8 threads to play with. Seems to be a mis-step to exclude a server version unless the sales were terrible, which is not surprising if you let a product line stagnate.
 
So glad that I bought a quad core i7 server model last year. Swapped out one of the 1TB disks for an SSD and upgraded the RAM to 16GB. Flying machine!

Its great for running VM's too as it has 8 threads to play with. Seems to be a mis-step to exclude a server version unless the sales were terrible, which is not surprising if you let a product line stagnate.

Exactly what I did. It was supposed to be an always on server for iTunes, Plex and storing content but I ended up using it over my rMBP since it was already on and performs so well. An SSD and the bump in RAM make it a great machine.
 
Well, I didn't expect an update yesterday, so when one came I was terrified, as I was in the middle of finally setting up my Hack Mini (after a huge delay in getting the processor).

However, I'm now glad I went the hackintosh route; the lack of quad core is a total deal breaker for me, as I cannot justify spending so much extra money on the entry level Mac Pro, or an iMac. The other updates are good, but the lack of Iris Pro is also very disappointing; I really hope this isn't the future for Mac Minis, and that this is just temporary until a Broadwell Mac Mini can arrive to fix things.

So for £800 I could get a Mac Mini with a dual-core i5 (not even a proper i5), 8gb RAM and a Fusion Drive, but for £750 I've built myself a passively cooled machine with quad-core i7 (2.7ghz, 3.9ghz turbo, 45W, hyper-threading), 16gb of RAM and a 500gb Samsung 840 EVO. I'm missing Thunderbolt, but come tomorrow I'll have drilled some holes in the I/O shield and added two hot-pluggable eSATA III ports instead, which are what I actually need (thereby cutting an extra £80+ on a Thunderbolt to eSATA adapter). I even have two Gigabit ethernet ports, 802.11ac + Bluetooth 4.0 and four USB 3.0 ports, plus mini-jack HD audio. Of course the setup of OS X is proving to be a pain, but ultimately worth it.

I feel sorry for everyone who kept waiting for a new high end model; we'll have to wait for a teardown to see if the server setup is still possible. However, to me this feels more like a step to eliminate parts from the supply chain; I didn't think Apple would bother to do it, but I very much doubt that they were planning a Haswell update for the mini, so it seems like an interim step before Broadwell.

I guess Tim Cook is just lucky more of the Mac Mini speculators weren't in the audience, or he'd have been booed off the stage!
 
Looks great to me. My 5.5 yr mini is struggling a bit. I've ordered:

2.8GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz)
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
256GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

That will be a great machine to use (and you might be able to upgrade the RAM yourself to 16GB) but Apple wants to charge a premium for a Mac Mini with PCI-e flash in it.
 
Given the entry level model has a 500Gb Sata HD and the device chassis appears to be identical to the current Mini, I expect we will still have the ability to upgrade the HD and RAM ourselves.
 
Apple has really been screwing around with us today, first the iPad Mini 3 "update" (more like iPad Mini 2.5), and now the Mac Mini, with no server, dual and no quad, and less storage. I'm not sure if this is totally appropriate, but:

Steve would never have allowed this

One more vote for Craig to become CEO and the the Cooked-Bean counter to be ousted for these pitiful "updates"

I still can't believe the announcement of the iPad mini 3. It seemed like a total afterthought during the keynote even though I know it's one of their biggest selling products.

I have an iPad mini retina (now iPad mini 2 I guess) and I will say whenever I get a new iPad it will never be a mini model again. That's the problem.... I LOVE my mini, LOVE the form factor, but they are setting up the mini to be the constant nerfed version of the iPad. Next year when iPad Air 3 comes out and the iPad mini 4, the mini will be equatable to the iPad Air 2 and I won't pay top dollar for the previous years device. The pricing is all wonky, they really screwed the pooch yesterday.
 
Hey maybe there's a reason for this. If Apple is bringing back the Macintosh, then Mini gets the dual core, Macintosh the quads. That could then be a headless iMac with quad core and everything.

The thermal limitations of the Mini are holding it back, hence why a new design that can accommodate better graphics and CPU in the $800-$1600 range would make sense eventually.

You do have a point. Perhaps that's something we'll see next year.

Something about this Mac Mini update just doesn't seem quite right. Hardly a mention at the announcement, tech they could have offered ages ago, slightly crippling the device's performance...

Either the future is grim for the Mac Mini, or they are waiting for their next generation to be ready.
 
You do have a point. Perhaps that's something we'll see next year.

Something about this Mac Mini update just doesn't seem quite right. Hardly a mention at the announcement, tech they could have offered ages ago, slightly crippling the device's performance...

Either the future is grim for the Mac Mini, or they are waiting for their next generation to be ready.

Agreed. This mini feel like it's a holding place for something else.

I'm thinking either:

1) A stopgap measure until the next Intel chip come out.

I looked at the Ivy vs Hashwell, and compare to performance increase, the thermal increase to performance ratio was actually pretty lousy. The only big advance with Hashwell was Iris. 4 cores might make a comeback with allowable TDP. Folks have to remember too that the Mini used to be underpowered, it was only the recent Mini that had the QC.

2) Feel like there's a good gap in performance and price for the introduction of a mid-level workhorse in between the Mini and the Pro.

Entry of a $500 vs $3000 products are huge. There's quite frankly a lot of gap in between for an "Regular" Mac that isn't Mini or Pro for pro-summers who aren't professionals and to serve the servers market with maybe a server chip and ECC RAM.

If Apple isn't dropping the Mini, as they obviously haven't, this seem like a very logical next step in the product line. Not everyone want an iMac. I can see something like the Mac Cube coming back. Bigger than a mini, shorter than the trashcan... $1000 - $1500 ish entry price, upgradable up to about $3000.
 
People really need to stop looking at Apple's business decisions with blinders on and only for their specific use case. Apple makes these decisions based on how they want people to look at the product offerings and at what point they consider somebody that should be looking at a higher price machine.

Mini - You might want it to be fully upgradeable, but Apple looks at it as an entry level machine and the consolidation of the server option and other features/upgrades prove that. Apple doesn't like any machine to be fully upgradeable and they feel that you should move up to the iMac if you need Quad Core or more features. Sure, I'd love a Mac Pro in a Mini price-range, but welcome to the new age of computer purchasing.

iMac - You might want the base model to be higher spec'd, but not everybody needs that in an AIO and Apple knows that. They also know that if you really want an iMac, you'll pay for the higher spec'd model.

iPad Lineup - Yes, there are a lot of models now, but the market is also very diverse and budgets play a big factor not only for consumers, but also businesses and education. Not everybody needs more than 16gb, not everybody needs TouchID, not everybody needs thinner - there are now options for everybody, and overall they're more affordable than ever.

I don't like a lot of what Apple does, but those of you bitching over what YOU can't have for a certain price don't know how marketing and product offerings work. YOU might not be able to get x for y price, but that doesn't make their decisions bad, just not for you.
 
People really need to stop looking at Apple's business decisions with blinders on and only for their specific use case. Apple makes these decisions based on how they want people to look at the product offerings and at what point they consider somebody that should be looking at a higher price machine.

Mini - You might want it to be fully upgradeable, but Apple looks at it as an entry level machine and the consolidation of the server option and other features/upgrades prove that. Apple doesn't like any machine to be fully upgradeable and they feel that you should move up to the iMac if you need Quad Core or more features. Sure, I'd love a Mac Pro in a Mini price-range, but welcome to the new age of computer purchasing.

iMac - You might want the base model to be higher spec'd, but not everybody needs that in an AIO and Apple knows that. They also know that if you really want an iMac, you'll pay for the higher spec'd model.

iPad Lineup - Yes, there are a lot of models now, but the market is also very diverse and budgets play a big factor not only for consumers, but also businesses and education. Not everybody needs more than 16gb, not everybody needs TouchID, not everybody needs thinner - there are now options for everybody, and overall they're more affordable than ever.

I don't like a lot of what Apple does, but those of you bitching over what YOU can't have for a certain price don't know how marketing and product offerings work. YOU might not be able to get x for y price, but that doesn't make their decisions bad, just not for you.

Businesses that don't please customers don't last long. I'm not in the market right now, but if I was, Apple is not selling ANYTHING that I would buy...except for the 2012 i7 Mac Mini, which has been discontinued. Looking at this thread, it's obvious that I am not the only one who feels this way.
 
This is hilarious in it's absurdity...the long wait, the "surprise" update at the recent event, and they give us a handful of computers that aren't up to par with my 2012 mini.

I guess I'm going Retina iMac.
 
I was really hoping for a decent high model...but no Quad Core and not even an Iris Pro...that $1000 model is way way way overpriced for what it is!

I would consider buying one like this:

- i7 Quad Core 2.6GHz
- 8GB RAM
- 1TB HDD
- Intel Iris Pro 5200

Priced at $900

The top end model has always been overpriced. I look at it this way. I do real estate photography. I use Lightroom for my post processing. In all honesty as much as I love macs and how they function I would probably end up buying a faster PC if I had only $1,000 to spend and the demand was there. When time is money brand loyalty pretty much goes out the window. For $1,000 you can get much more performance than a top end 2012 quad core mac mini. Truth is most companies make their profits using windows machines and not macs.
 
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Apple has really been screwing around with us today, first the iPad Mini 3 "update" (more like iPad Mini 2.5), and now the Mac Mini, with no server, dual and no quad, and less storage. I'm not sure if this is totally appropriate, but:

Steve would never have allowed this

One more vote for Craig to become CEO and the the Cooked-Bean counter to be ousted for these pitiful "updates"

Steve would have killed it off a long time ago, he was never concerned what the users wanted.
 
People really need to stop looking at Apple's business decisions with blinders on and only for their specific use case. Apple makes these decisions based on how they want people to look at the product offerings and at what point they consider somebody that should be looking at a higher price machine.

More or less, i agree. A great deal of thought goes into the marketing of specific machines geared towards particular types of users. Apple made their choices expecting that most would be true to the Apple ecosystem and compromise by buying something more than they need. :(

Mini - You might want it to be fully upgradeable, but Apple looks at it as an entry level machine and the consolidation of the server option and other features/upgrades prove that. Apple doesn't like any machine to be fully upgradeable and they feel that you should move up to the iMac if you need Quad Core or more features. Sure, I'd love a Mac Pro in a Mini price-range, but welcome to the new age of computer purchasing.

Of course, part of the charm of the old Mini is that we can dig in there and customize it ourselves in order to customize it to our specific needs. It feeds the DIY part in all of us tinkerers. AND it saves us some $$ by not having to go thru the Apple Store and pay their high prices for customization.

Having said that, i can see why Apple took away the customization, they want you to pay them to do it. I disagree with this, but i understand that decision from a business perspective.

But, i think what the initial reaction of this forum points out is still true - there now exists a gap in the new Apple product offerings. Many of us want a quad-core machine for multitasking (i want one to be the center of a music studio that i can take on the road) and perhaps enhanced graphics capability BUT we want it to be headless (we either don't want to overpay for an Apple monitor, we have our own, or we just don't need one [for music performance, for example]). Six, eight or twelve cores are overkill for both our needs and our budgets (see: "artistic types"). I imagine the price point might start just below a grand and go to maybe $1300-1400 for the "dream machine".

Basically, we want an iMac-level or low-end MacPro powered machine without having to buy the monitor. We either don't want or need the 5K display. We want processing power and multitasking ability. In return, i think many of us (myself included) would be ok with the lack of user customization options, and would be willing to bite the bullet and pay Apple to do our customization for us. But, give us the computer (and the upgrade options) that we NEED/WANT!

Apple has left a gap here. I think one day they will fill it, but how far out in the future is "that day"? Undoubtedly in the meantime, some will work compromise with the new lower-priced Mini. Others will bite the bullet and go with the new iMac or maybe even a MacPro. However, others will leave the Apple ecosystem altogether, because the computer that they want is not a computer that Apple makes (anymore). And it's kind of a shame because they DID, and decided to STOP. :confused:

For myself, i recently bought/customized the upgraded 4-core Mini, but wanted a second one that i could take on the road. I'm kind of 'stuck' now, and i'll probably find a refurb Mini to do the job, since i've invested in the Apple ecosystem, Logic, etc.....

cheers!
 
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The top end model has always been overpriced. I look at it this way. I do real estate photography. I use Lightroom for my post processing. In all honesty as much as I love macs and how they function I would probably end up buying a faster PC if I had only $1,000 to spend and the demand was there. When time is money brand loyalty pretty much goes out the window. For $1,000 you can get much more performance than a top end 2012 quad core mac mini. Truth is most companies make their profits using windows machines and not macs.

I also do real estate photography as well as weddings, product, portraits and architectural and have been waiting for the Mac Mini update for a year now. I have Windows 7 right now but really miss OSX. I use LR about 75% of the time and PS 25%, give or take. Do you use a Mac Mini right now? I really don't want to spend $2k on an iMac 27" with a SSD but I'm starting to feel like I may have to.
 
I also do real estate photography as well as weddings, product, portraits and architectural and have been waiting for the Mac Mini update for a year now. I have Windows 7 right now but really miss OSX. I use LR about 75% of the time and PS 25%, give or take. Do you use a Mac Mini right now? I really don't want to spend $2k on an iMac 27" with a SSD but I'm starting to feel like I may have to.

I use a 2006 Mac Pro at home. Occasionally I get to use a 12 core beast HP Z820. I wouldn't let $2K deter you if the demand is there. I've looked at the Mac Mini and just don't think it's a really good value. Even considering the 2012 i7 quad.
 
This is hilarious in it's absurdity...the long wait, the "surprise" update at the recent event, and they give us a handful of computers that aren't up to par with my 2012 mini.

I guess I'm going Retina iMac.

I will probably be doing the same thing. I already have a 27" ACD, but I guess I'll just use it as a second display (I'm assuming I can do that).
 
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