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New Mac Pro debut at WWDC?
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It's sooo much simpler to forgo my compressor card an 15TB of internal space. It's way better to to keep 15TB external and with another 20TB external for bak up. it's genius
I'm really starting to have my doubts on a new MP with ZERO leaks whatsoever except Cook's somewhat ambiguous comment last year. Why is it we know exactly what the iPhone will look like months in advance but we have nothing on a MP? My only guess is that it's still a long way off.
Mac Pro users will benefit more from a high performance nVidia VCA multi Gpu processing appliance , current VCA units connect thru 10 Gb eth, Macs already has Thunderbolt which is faster, then Apple which don't have interest on enterprise servers don't need to develope new Xeon hardware to satisfy high end pro's, a tuned iMac (pro) with high performance i7 and SSDs will provide more than thy need with more efficience, a los opens the door to uHD since an iMac may integrate uHD without wait for tb2 neither adopting Hdmi 1.4.
So I think it's an real possibility we will have an iMac Pro rather than a new Mac pro, and those requiring powerful computing will have some sort of external multi Gpu module providing hyper muscle.
So I think it's an real possibility we will have an iMac Pro rather than a new Mac pro, and those requiring powerful computing will have some sort of external multi Gpu module providing hyper muscle.
Looks like 6+ months if you're reading into new comments... 6 days to 6 weeks if you listen to rumors.
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People around here seem to think it'll be more of a Mac Mini Pro than iMac Pro if there's a radical redesign. Either way, that's not the machine I need for my work.
If you use a mac pro because you use photoshop or render heavy 3D, you don't need a Xeon you need Gpu, Gpu processing is 10x faster, and it's supported by Most recent cpu hungry apps like photoshop cs6 and more are coming, with an nVidia VCA you'll have 10-40 more power than you can reach with Xeon, only need a companion i7 with enough bandwidth to handle 20Gbps of data from the VCA appliance (which you can power off or attach to another mac as you need, saving more cost).
Most people see Gpu computing as thee smarter way for power hungry apps.
The boxes that work with Davinci Resolve are the same way. You can get an external PCIe bix that can be loaded with GPUs at the moment, too... but the software needs to be written to take advantage. And the cost does needd to come down a bit to more mainstream before more jump onboard.
Regardless, these solutions work great in the PC/Linux world. There aren't many ways to make them work on the Mac side flawlessly. I'm not sure Apple sees value in this solution either - nothing convincing at the moment, that's for sure...
An iMac Pro would not fit what I need at all. If it were I would have bought a top-of-the-line 2012 iMac. I need a traditional tower ... something I can put multiple drives in and have a graphics card card in (only the pro does that). I also do not want nor desire a new monitor every time I want to upgrade the rest of the hardware.
BTW, am I the only one getting tired of 'it can not use the current xyz because something faster is around the corner' statements when talking about the MP? There will always be something faster around the corner with some component. You will never have an optimum time point to buy every single piece in a computer. Eventually you just have to say 'we will use what is on the market'.
That's not the case for Cinema 4D users. Xeons are the fastest solution. C4D is about to become one of the most mainstream 3D apps available with the next CS release, and its completely CPU dependent.
Actually Octane Rendered does that, and more and more code is being migrated to CUDA.
The question is, if Apple will offer some "nVidia VCA" like solution, how long do you think most companies will take to support it? And actually many software vendors are using CUDA, so to me it's an good idea for Apple to ditch Xeon and follow with 6/12ht cores i7 and. Offer some bold cuda/VCA solution for those really need huge power.
I would say that seems to be the future for such applications, but it's not as big today as you suggest. In fact it can be trivial in some situations. The main gpu concern for 3D wouldn't be offline rendering. It would be viewport performance for OpenGL. Everyone always makes this so general, yet typically you only find gpus leveraged for very specific tasks. In terms of offline rendering, it's still mostly relegated to draft modes rather than production renders in the most popular renderers. Since you mentioned photoshop, it's almost meaningless there. It speeds up a few things, but most of them still run reasonably well on the cpu. It's OpenGL drawing still remains kind of buggy even though it's been there since CS4.
I'm holding out "hope" for the April/May rumor, but even that was pushed back slightly from my own internal deadline of post-NAB to make a decision on a roadmap moving forward. For all we know, that rumor might as well just end up being a WWDC announcement for a product coming in 6+ months at this point. It means nothing until we see inventory that's available to purchase. And will that "new product" even really be something worthy of a PRO name attached to it? There's concerns for that aspect of it as well.
Could I continue to skirt by with existing hardware? Possibly for a bit longer, but I do need to add another workstation. So buying a cheap(er) refurb and spending money via the 3rd party upgrade market is my only solution that even comes close to making sense right now.
Like others, I've explored BOXX, HP, and even Dell. Their prices aren't fantastic for the comparable machines, but the specs of their products are great. If my needed software was Linux based, then I'd probably be on them already, but (honestly) switching to Windows is major piece of the holdup. Having projects that are still using FCP7 is a large contributing factor as well. Until they're fully switched on the client end, I can't totally abandon...
The whole situation is revealing a very unprofessional attitude on Apple's side. First the pathetic, briefly marketed, "update" of the Pro last year and now a vacuum with no Pro to buy at all here in Europe. It is very surprising that Apple provide no options for a European pro user if e.g. the machine breaks beyond repair. The situation is already making me look at other solutions for the computer intensive work and perhaps only use an iMac for easier tasks.
He's probably citing the quote from the article yesterday:
"We don't want to be more specific, but we have some really great stuff coming in the fall and across all of 2014."
Of course he never ruled out something earlier in 2013, but it seems unlikely.
Personally, I am happy with my upgraded Hex 3.33. I am in no hurry to buy a new mac Pro.
But I understand very well how disappointed Mac Pro users, who want to buy an new machine, are. Apple can't keep them waiting forever.
It's a shame.
Thanks, I just always took it for granted that it would be in Q3/Q4 but hopefully with something concrete said at WWDC to keep devs from jumping ship. If either of those events took place earlier I was not going to complain but they would be unexpected.
Yes. I suppose I could get the *retch* iMac 2012 but it strikes me as more of a downgrade than an upgrade. My current iMac is from 2007 and has more expandability. The ability for my computer to be a computer and not just an appliance is what is pulling me to the pro. If you were to upgrade the MP to be current (USB3 and so on) I would be more than happy with an i7 and a good nvidia ... I want the ability to replace drives/monitors/gpus as needed and not have to buy a new machine and/or haul it off to an apple certified technician for every minor thing.
The current stuff is a problem. It is years-old hardware. Even if you upgrade it you are just putting a completely new engine in your dad's hot rod .. great if you already have that car but pointless if you do not. A mini might seem like an alternative (although would prefer multiple 3.5 bays, not just two 2.5s) but the fact that it does not have a graphics card is a showstopper there.
It's sooo much simpler to forgo my compressor card an 15TB of internal space. It's way better to to keep 15TB external and with another 20TB external for bak up. it's genius
Not sure what you mean by compressor card, but like I said not for everyone.
I'd rather have my backup drives in a NAS next to my router, so all of my computers can access it
At that point I would go Hackintosh all the way. iMac supposedly brings a screen and/or the all-in-one concept to the table as the justification factor for the prices Apple asks. MacPro brings a sweet-ass case, excellent internal case design, and a low to mid range Xeon Workstation grading.
If Apple made an iCore Desktop graded system then where's the benefit? Cost? Ha! This is Apple we're talking about remember... But that is the ground they would be forced to compete on. So sure... If they come out with the Hexi at 3.4GHz for $800 base then maybe... Bit it's Apple so it'll be more like $1,600 and no one with any sense would go for it.
Of course no one has claimed that Apple users have any sense in the first place but...
Same point could be made for people that but Bentleys. Largely the same hardware as VW's lesser models, higher price because it's nicer. But people DO buy them.
I don't think the car analogy applies at all. At least I'm not understanding you.
If Apple made a Desktop grade machine in mid-tower case like so many millions of PCs out there then they would be competing in that market. And that market has just three variables which most users concern themselves with. Support, Specs, and Price.
If Apple could manage a good balance therefrom then I guess that would be cool (for them and us) but if not then WTF?
I don't see how Bentley has anything to do with it at all...
If Apple made a Desktop grade machine in mid-tower case like so many millions of PCs out there then they would be competing in that market. And that market has just three variables which most users concern themselves with. Support, Specs, and Price.
If Apple could manage a good balance therefrom then I guess that would be cool (for them and us) but if not then WTF?
I don't see how Bentley has anything to do with it at all...
You made the remark that, 'Bit it's Apple so it'll be more like $1,600 and no one with any sense would go for it.'.
I assume that you are making a reference to Apple putting a premium on a lot of the same hardware that other PC vendors use. This is what Bentley do, and they are deemed lovely, (not by me).
Not sure what the similarities are with the current model but certainly the original Continental GT and VW Phaeton are pretty much the same car.
Why do people villify Apple for the same practice?