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New Mac Pro debut at WWDC?

Fortunately or unfortunately I think Apple will hold off on the release of the Mac Pro until they have access to the newest chips. At this point they probably don't want a repeat of last year's anger.

The real question is are they going to try and repair their relationship with the pro community by giving any reassurances that they are still a company that is committed to them and will - going forward - service them in a timelier and more open manner?
 
xSinghx said:
Fortunately or unfortunately I think Apple will hold off on the release of the Mac Pro until they have access to the newest chips. At this point they probably don't want a repeat of last year's anger.
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What Apple could release with now is newer.

The real question is are they going to try and repair their relationship with the pro community by giving any reassurances that they are still a company that is committed to them and will - going forward - service them in a timelier
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IF timeliness is the root cause problem how does dealying longer help that? Seriously. "I'm late, so let me just show up even later so that you'll trust me to show up on time"..... errrrrr Does not make any sense at all.

If Apple wanted to solve their "predicatablity" problem they would have released a Mac Pro in Feb-April 2013. Then do it again in Jan-April 2014. Then do it again Jan-Aprile 2015. That would solve the problem. Roadmaps. Dog-and-pony show announcements. etc all that stuff is just talk. They don't need to talk. They need to do to address the issue.

Squatting on a product for an even longer extended amount of time is exactly the opposite of executing on a positive actions to address the problem.



and more open manner?
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That isn't going to happen. To some extent being a pro means adapting to the releaties of situations instead of siting around doing a bunch of wishing. Apple's clearly openly stated corporate policy is that they don't talk about future products. Given they $100+B in the bank, one of the largest corporate valuations in the world, etc. etc. you are going to be extremely hard pressed to tell them have a flawed business strategy. They don't.

In the pro workstation market lots of companies do loaner machines so that folks can benchmark their own stuff on the new machine. That might be an battle to take to Apple, but it is far more indicative that true reality is that people with critical machines buys don't buy roadmaps and "dog-and-pony" shows. They evaluate real boxes under real conditions. That is nothing in Apple's policies that is actually at odds with that.

This whole "Apple has to whisper future product details in my ear" is far more prima donna status than professional status.
 
xSinghx said:
Fortunately or unfortunately I think Apple will hold off on the release of the Mac Pro until they have access to the newest chips. At this point they probably don't want a repeat of last year's anger.

The real question is are they going to try and repair their relationship with the pro community by giving any reassurances that they are still a company that is committed to them and will - going forward - service them in a timelier and more open manner?
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Last years anger derived from the the fact that Apple released a Mac Pro that was still on 1366 and called it new. No model designation change nor specification change, no graphics change. If they were to release on Sandy-E we'd get new processors and modern spec's then in the late summer when Ivy-E debuts the can do another spec bump.
 
MyMac1976 said:
If they were to release on Sandy-E we'd get new processors and modern spec's then in the late summer when Ivy-E debuts the can do another spec bump.
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Apple likes to wait 3 years before updating the Mac Pro.
If they bring one out in June, you've got to wait until 2016 before the next one.
 
MyMac1976 said:
Last years anger derived from the the fact that Apple released a Mac Pro that was still on 1366 and called it new. No model designation change nor specification change, no graphics change.
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Right I agree, which is my reasoning for saying they'll hold off for new components. They know they have to get it right this time.

But given all the unrest in the pro community - with the historic lag between updates on the mac pro recently, the let down of last year's update (if you can call it that), and the black eye that was Final Cut Pro - I think the interesting thing to see is whether they're going to do anything to make amends for straining the relationship.

I agree with the article that someone posted (http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/27/editorial-what-will-apple-do-with-the-macintosh/page/2) that Apple has a unique opportunity to break into markets that previously were closed to them. And that the Mac Pro is an important player in that strategy. But it does seem they would have to elevate the bad reputation they're currently fostering among the pro community to do it. I think more is riding on this year's update of the mac pro than some people would like to imagine.

deconstruct60 said:
"Apple has to whisper future product details in my ear"
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Quotation marks are used to copy the exact words someone has written not create fiction and try to pass it as fact.

Given the overall trolling - condescending attitude of you're post, littered with every sort of fallacy imaginable (red herring, conflation, straw man) I won't be engaging with you beyond this.

If you want to participate in a conversation you should learn how to respect the people you want to speak with otherwise you'd probably be better served addressing a mirror.
 
KaraH said:
Especially if they had some sort of an alternative around extra cables. Maybe the ports (which would be docked to) on the top or a solid connector on the back between units (like APC drive stacks used to have for power).
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Good point. But I wouldn't worry about it. With a consumer grade platform a cable option is only common sense. If Apple doesn't do it up front a 3rd party will soon after.



I would *possibly* consider it as a temporary holdover if they announce the 2013 MP is delayed but it would depend on their implementation (like is one of those units able to hold 3.5 drives with speeds that make it a viable boot alternative and how accessible are the units). One of my main fears would be what if Apple decided at some point to stop making the units? Sure, I could buy them from 3rd parties but they would not be under applecare.

However as Tesselator said, that would make me consider a Mini, not a Pro. Apple knows the main thing that has waved off prospective mini buyers for years and it can be summed up in 3 letters: G P U. Having 3.5 drives is second yes, but most of their customer base do not care if they have a 2.5 or a 3.5 in there (I do, partly because a viper is a 3.5 form factor) since 2.5s work fine in laptops.
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Yup, all good points. Especially the GPU. The embedded crap ain't gonna cut it. It's got that now and as you say that is exactly what separates it from the more robust and dynamic builds. Just having a faster one isn't a solution. Embedded is embedded and is just not desirable for a desktop solution. It's fine for laptops and tablets but most people wanting a DT system want options - which embedded tech negate.
 
Still thinking we won't see any Mac Pro (or replacement) until Fall. WWDC is already going to have iOS 7, Mac OS 10.9, and new Macbook Pros. There is not enough time to announce a significant Mac Pro revision.

I think we're likely to see a new Mac Pro tied to new pro software, like a significant Logic or FCPX upgrade, and likely released around the time 10.9 is released as well. I'd be surprised to see it tied to WWDC.
 
"Always leave them wanting more" Apple knows this well, always has.

It is true that the pro market is a small niche market, but once upon a time, so was the phone market, and the personal MP3 player market. No one would have thought anyone could have made any real money in those markets.

For that matter tablets have been around for a long time, and were quite expensive. Look what Apple did there.
I know when I was in system admin. we couldn't wait for the next model, hoping it would have a huge list of upgrades, and usually got about 60% of what we wanted from Apple, but it was enough to keep us coming back for more.
 
goMac said:
Still thinking we won't see any Mac Pro (or replacement) until Fall. WWDC is already going to have iOS 7, Mac OS 10.9, and new Macbook Pros. There is not enough time to announce a significant Mac Pro revision.

I think we're likely to see a new Mac Pro tied to new pro software, like a significant Logic or FCPX upgrade, and likely released around the time 10.9 is released as well. I'd be surprised to see it tied to WWDC.
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I am 50/50 whether we will see a hardware release at wwdc but they have to at least say something then more solid than 'trust us, something we think you will like MAY be coming later'. They have to know how many eyes will be on this event from the MP world and I am sure more than enough people have set hearing something solid by/at WWDC as their fish-or-cut-bait deadlines.

If it will just be an announcement they do not need to give all of the details. Although for the pro line I certainly would hope they would say something if they plan a radical change like getting away from the tower form factor or limiting expandability options.
 
TheEasterBunny said:
"Always leave them wanting more" Apple knows this well, always has.
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Yup, the key words there are always and always. :) They have always left us wanting more. So much so that many people have just given up and gone PC or Hackintosh. :D

I'm fairly convinced that my next system will be as well. No matter what they release in 2013. (Well, unless its price-point is appropriate - which it won't be - because this is Apple of course.)
 
KaraH said:
They have to know how many eyes will be on this event from the MP world and I am sure more than enough people have set hearing something solid by/at WWDC as their fish-or-cut-bait deadlines.
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Hasn't stopped them from saying nothing before.

I'm pretty sure Apple has already said what they want to say before release. They are working on something new for later in 2013.
 
goMac said:
Hasn't stopped them from saying nothing before.

I'm pretty sure Apple has already said what they want to say before release. They are working on something new for later in 2013.
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Since the cat is out of the bag so to speak what is the harm in officially confirming things then?
 
I think Apple owes us pro users some kind of an advance announcement or at least give us some kind of light news on an upcoming Mac Pro. To make up for the delay and at least consider us as loyal customers. Right now we still have nothing, no clue at all like we're in the dark.
 
I can only imagine the keynote ending and not a word about MacPro...I think this forum would implode...
 
ZMacintosh said:
false, apple is about simplicity in its form and function.
theres no way a modular device will sell for apple these days if they could barely push the current MacPro.

if you want modular get a MacMini with Thunderbolt accessories.
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Wrong, SJ is gone now. The "new" Apple is about catering to anal-ysts and "expert" insiders who are now responsible for determining what the company does, instead of having the company truly creating demand as SJ used to; this is why the fabled xMac is finally coming to the market later this year.
 
I agree with the crowd, rigth now seems unlikely we will see "something new for pro users" (Tim Cook Dixit) at WWDC, maybe for last quarter (as we saw the new iMac) thats due Haswell/TB2 delays. Next Year we will see the UHD revolution with retina iMac UHD iDisplay etc, but not this year, luck if we saw the New MacPro on last quarter and the iWatch are the only rasonable novelity we can expect this year, among revisions on existing hardware (as the Haswell rMBP/rMBA/iMac (I'm confident on a 11" rMBA this year as Haswell is deployed, using same Panel on curent iPad).

So "something new for pro users" its boarder, we could see from a Mac mini PRO, to an iMac Pro, of course most awaited is a Form Factor review on current MacPro (deletion of CD/DVD 5.1/4 bays) more compact and updated with USB2/TB/XeonE5/E7 ...
 
mslide said:
Does anybody who really needs the power of a Mac Pro want a modular design like this? I'm not talking about gamers (who really want a real Mac with a replaceable GPU), professionals who use a Mac Pro but could easily get away with a loaded iMac, people who just want a real desktop Mac, etc. I mean the professionals here who really, honestly need a Mac Pro. The folks who use all those cores, use tons of RAM, actually stick things in those extra PCI slots, etc. Do any of you really want a modular design?
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Why not. I need many computing cores for simulations that I code in C++. On occasions I also do computer heavy calculations in Matlab. Whatever type of machine they build I would like to see an improved number of cpu cores, and the option of adding 1-XX xeon phi cards. If a modular design implies that the machine is even more expandable (in terms of computing power) I am more than happy with it. I will in any case look at the alternatives when I will update after the summer. I will (always) sit in front of a Mac and do my work, since I much appreciate osx in favor of unix for e.g. writing, making presentations etc, but perhaps complement it with other machines depending on what the new pro will offer.
 
Huh?

Mago said:
I agree with the crowd, rigth now seems unlikely we will see "something new for pro users" (Tim Cook Dixit) at WWDC, maybe for last quarter (as we saw the new iMac) thats due Haswell/TB2 delays. Next Year we will see the UHD revolution with retina iMac UHD iDisplay etc, but not this year, luck if we saw the New MacPro on last quarter and the iWatch are the only rasonable novelity we can expect this year, among revisions on existing hardware (as the Haswell rMBP/rMBA/iMac (I'm confident on a 11" rMBA this year as Haswell is deployed, using same Panel on curent iPad).

So "something new for pro users" its boarder, we could see from a Mac mini PRO, to an iMac Pro, of course most awaited is a Form Factor review on current MacPro (deletion of CD/DVD 5.1/4 bays) more compact and updated with USB2/TB/XeonE5/E7 ...
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:)
 
KaraH said:
Since the cat is out of the bag so to speak what is the harm in officially confirming things then?
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Because there isn't anything else to say.

Don't get me wrong, Apple could probably have a slide about it at WWDC. But if they've got other things to talk about, a slide that just restates the same thing they've already said is going to end up on the chopping block.
 
goMac said:
Because there isn't anything else to say.
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So why does this thread even exist? Not to mention all of the other ones that asked if there will be a 2013 MP. Since they have already said things just make the news either way official. Apple's worst case scenario is to end out the year with no new MP and not even having said anything about it or their vision of what is next ... WWDC is a golden opportunity to say something.
 
goMac said:
Cause someone wants to know if it's going to be released at WWDC.
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Do you need a list of the variants of "will there be a 2013 mac pro" or can you use search? Given Apple's recent history with the MP there is a very real question out there which they have fuelled by their own comments ... saying something at WWDC (it does not have to be a release that month) would settle the debate once and for all.

Options:
"the MP is on our store today" ... great!

"the MP will be out later this year" (and hopefully with some coming attractions) ... not quite as great but it will keep people from leaving their platform unless they need a new machine NOW

"the MP is being terminated" .... bleah! it will involve much gnashing of teeth but would end the debate ... some people would buy existing models but others would not profit Apple

Remember, this is NOT the case with their other releases. They are ONLY in this situation because they went so long between hardware updates then led statements out there the net picked apart.

So, yes, they do have something to say. As a share holder I would be peeved if they did not because they would have missed a chance to increase their company's value.
 
A small amount of additional info to digest:

OS X 10.9 to Get Power User Enhancements, Codenamed 'Cabernet'?

Apple reportedly plans to introduce new 'power-user' enhancements and borrow core iOS features in its upcoming OS X 10.9 operating system codenamed 'Cabernet', reports 9to5Mac.

The ability to keep a different “Space” or full-screen app open on a different monitor (in multiple monitor setups) is another important power-user feature coming in 10.9.

Apple is widely expected to unveil both iOS 7 and OS X 10.9 at WWDC this June. Notably, it's also predicted that the company will update its MacBook Pros and MacBook Airs at the event.

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