MP 7,1 New Mac Pro or not?

[fendersrule]

Well, for "statistic evidence" (no such official term, btw--and I'm trained in statistics), you can add me to fully 100% agreeing with defjam, so that's 2 votes for Windows being a great OS.

It isn't the 2000s anymore where MacOS was clearly prevailing over windows. Windows has came a long way while Apple was twiddling their thumbs spending resources on iOS.

Honestly, you sound like a 14 year old when throwing around terms like "PC Fanboy". I feel like your talking points are either a) childish, b) out of date, or c) completely illogical. Defjam respectfully and kindly, tore you a new one.

I don't understand your need to "manage by yourself" comment. Defjam already raised a point that you are poking around in stuff you shouldn't be, then complaining about it when it doesn't work right. Regardless if it's a Mac or PC, you are going to have to "manage it by yourself" on a high level anyways. We all deal with software updates and bugs, no matter what system we are on.

Mac OS isn't "free". MacOS is subsidized in the hardware cost. You pay for MacOS when you pay the premium price on a Mac. This is a common misconception, and yet another boring Mac vs PC talking point. You're just regurgitating the same talking points.

A Windows system, will be far cheaper, than the new Mac Pro. If you buy the same exact components as the New Mac Pro--maybe not (this has always been the case). But do you need the same exact components?

btw, cool "farm", but I cannot imagine how much your power bill is costing while running those old and power hungry machines. If you have a GPU you can use, you can build a pretty powerful PC for $800. You should look into the 12 core AMD Ryzen 3900x. The latest AMD CPUs are incredible and this current generation of Zen CPUs feel like AMD has finally caught up to Intel--which hasn't happened in over a decade--and they are surpassing them for the money. Kinda like back in the Athlon days.

If I were to build a PC today, and being that I would want to a) game, b) transcode every now and then, and c) video edit, I would use a 3700x without question. If you need more rendering power, you should calculate what the 3900x can do for you. Windows 10 OEM licenses sell for $30 btw.

A 3900x would pimp slap a X5690 to the moon by 4-5x performance while using 50% less power no matter what the heck you are doing.

 

[kjohansen]

BTW guys, my name is Kristi and I am a former Unix systems admin for Intel Corporation.. The video card I am running on the 3,1 is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 970. Yes it has to have the drivers manually loaded each time an update happened.

I'm not entirely against finding a 5,1 system, but the ones I have seen so far are all $1000. As far as iMac goes, never really looked at them... I am getting into drone photography and video, so need to run Final Cut Pro. I've been running it for last few years as I use GoPro's also. I've seen the new iMac Pro prices and they are only marginally better than the base price of the Mac Pro 7,1

 

[sirio76]

So two vote for Windows, wow... IBM 200.000 users must be wrong then...
-that video was taken more than 5 years ago and hardware was purchased more than 6 years ago.
-today I run other systems.
-that video where I show Windows underperforming was made 5 years ago, not in 2000s.
-those i7 consume 130W, a 3900x 105W I do not see significant saving.
-a 3900x render twice as fast as an old MP x5690, not 4/5x(nice math for somebody "trained in statistics").
-your claim about GPU render tells me that you know very little about it and I'm tired of explaining people here why it's not for everybody(look for my old post so that I do not have to waste my time explaining again).
-an 800$ system it's a joke for what I do, it's a ridicolous budget for everyone who work in 3D, and to be honest it's a low budget even for gamers.

 

[fendersrule]

130W vs 105W is 24% decrease in power usage. You seriously don't think that's significant, being that it absolutely kills the 990x while having 6 more cores active at peak? Why don't you compare the idle power usage as well. X5690 sits at 109W and the 3900x is 73 Watts, which puts us at 33% decrease in power usage. 30% off of a power bill is significant, especially if I'm getting things done 4x faster.

As far as rendering, The 3900x is much faster than the i9 9900k for many of these tasks, but let's assume for a second that they are the same, which is an incorrect assumption, but I want to keep it simple for you. With this in mind:

The Performance & Power Efficiency Of The Core i7 990X vs. Core i9 9900K - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

So, apparently you didn't read. I'm seeing anywhere from 3-4x faster rendering times between the 990x vs 9900k. Imagine if he used a 3900x...it would further this lead by ~30% more.

Further, math and statistics are different entities. Statistics is the story telling of math.

You could build a 3900x system, if you had a GPU to use, for around $800. This is less than what 5,1s are going for.

What is the point of your thread?

 

[bsbeamer]

Mojave is stable but Catalina is not playing well with Adobe CC

Unfortunately, you may need to wait until around or after MAX in early November for updates to be released for "true" initial Catalina compatibility. Then I'm sure they'll be buggy, so wait until those are updated...

Generally suggest people hold on OS updates with Adobe or any video products until the January after initial release. Often this is around .3 timing. It's usually enough time for everyone to workout their stuff. If not, it's usually time to adapt to new workflows.

 

[defjam]

Since I'm happily using Windows I can't see why I shoud be against it. I'm just reporting my experience as a user and my experience is as good as yours, no more no less.

At this time I'm unsure whether your experience with Windows is good or bad. It certainly doesn't sound as if it's been as good as mine (as mine has been relatively problem free and therefore has not required any special configuration to it). If it has been as good as mine then I'm unsure what your objection to Windows is and why we're having this discussion.

I've never say you can't work on Windows, I just say it will need more managing by you or an IT and managing cost money and/or time, something I don't need on Mac.

I'm saying that it doesn't. My experience has born that out.

You have your experience and I have mine but whe are just two individual, on the other end IBM have precise data made on a large user base(hundreds of thousands user) to back up this facts, that's what I call statistic evidence(two individual opinion doesn't consitute any statistic evidence), but for some reason you refute this data, claiming Windows is as good or better than MacOS no matter what statistics shows you.

One company does not make a statistic. The reason I do not accept the IBM example is that details of how they arrived at this conclusion are light. We are unable to dig into the "data" because we have little to look at.

I never tweack Windows unless I'm forced to do so, believe me I have a hard job and a family and I really have no time to play with settings or BIOS, I do that only if something doesn't work as it should.

Then tell me, what was the problem that led you to change the page file settings and how did you expect the changes were going to resolve the problem?

The video was showing a clear advantage of the Mac in some tasks, it's as simple as that.... despite both system had basically the same performance on paper on a nMP 8core I was able to render maximizing the CPU usage, and in the mean while edit 3D scene, work with PS or other CAD software, on a OC 6core Windows system while rendering I wasn't able to do anyting else(it's the same also on premium brand Windows WS, to solve the issue people disable a few cores while rendering), if you can't see that I don't know what to say.

You compared an 8 core Mac to a 6 core Windows system and then draw the conclusion the higher configuration system outperformed a low configuration system? The fact the two systems weren't similarly configured is why I am unable to put merit into the conclusions you reach in your video.

One of the main advantage of a Windows system according to PC fanboy(strangely ther's plenty here on a Mac forum) is that you can get a much cheaper machine if you assemble and manage it by yourself(especially if you use AMD CPU), now according to your advice(reported below) you suggest to:

• "Buy hardware from a first tier manufacturer. You mentioned ThreadRipper and, to my knowledge, no tier one manufacturer offers ThreadRipper workstations. This is reinforced by the fact you indicate these systems are more problematic than their Intel counterparts.
• If updates are a problem for you then purchase the Enterprise version of Windows (available through tier 1 manufacturers) which allows you to better manage updates.
• Hire someone who knows what they're doing."

So:
1-avoid to assemble a system by yourself and buy from a premium brand(that will cost as much as a Mac negating one of the main advantage), also do not use Threadripper since pricier Intel are more reliable(again negating the price advantage).
2-buy a pricier OS to be able to solve the update issues(something I get for FREE on MacOS, again more money).
3-hire somebody for managing my systems(again spend my money while a Mac performing the same identical tasks needs no managment at all).

Point 1: Other tier one manufacturers offer a broad range of products to match an end users needs. These products start at the entry level and go to the high end. Thus one can choose a lower cost offering instead of being forced to buy the high end offering. That's where the price advantage comes in. Unfortunately Apple has only one product offering in the expandable / configurable desktop space: High end.

Point 2: One is not forced to buy a higher priced OS, I was suggesting it as it would allow more flexibility over updates. I do agree I dislike Microsoft's forced updates but they are not the issue you've made them out to be.

Point 3: One doesn't need to hire someone to manage a Windows system. I was specifically referring to your situation because you said you had already done so and that the individual you had hired was an IT manager. To that I say, from your description, it doesn't appear as if they're knowledgeable about Windows and therefore you should look for someone who is.

As for advocating Windows over the Mac it's Apple that has caused this situation by not offering an mid-range expandable / configurable desktop system at a lower price point. Thus it's not so much advocating Windows as it is suggesting an alternative which is inline with a users needs. Unfortunately when such a recommendation is suggested inevitably come the claims of how Windows is "junk" with anecdotes supporting such claims. I would be more than happy to avoid suggesting a PC and recommend the xMac if Apple would just make it!

 

[defjam]

BTW guys, my name is Kristi and I am a former Unix systems admin for Intel Corporation.. The video card I am running on the 3,1 is a Nvidia GeForce GTX 970. Yes it has to have the drivers manually loaded each time an update happened.

I'm not entirely against finding a 5,1 system, but the ones I have seen so far are all $1000. As far as iMac goes, never really looked at them... I am getting into drone photography and video, so need to run Final Cut Pro. I've been running it for last few years as I use GoPro's also. I've seen the new iMac Pro prices and they are only marginally better than the base price of the Mac Pro 7,1

My recommendation for looking into a 5,1 Mac Pro was based on the OS requirement and not based on performance. I assumed performance of the 3,1 was acceptable. If not an mid-range configured 5,1 would be an improvement over the 3,1.

When the 3,1 was introduced it was an excellent value proposition (base model which was the dual 2.8GHz quad core model). Enough so that when the single 2.66GHz quad core 4,1 (everything I say for the 4,1 essentially applies to the 5,1 as well) model was released at a similar price point users felt the 4,1 wasn't nearly as good a value (even though it was a couple of hundred dollars less).

However the design of the 4,1 was a significant improvement over the previous generations that it could compete or outperform them. Thus a quad core 4,1 would not be the step down in performance you might think it is. Even an entry level 4,1 could be a boost. You could then easily upgrade it if you wanted.

However there's no reason to do that as they can be had for much less than $1k. For example the following is listed on Ebay with a BIN price of $450 (or you can make them an offer) and it includes free shipping:

Apple Mac Pro A1289 5,1 8 CORE 2.4GHz 16GB 1TB HDD HD 5770 WIFI OS X CAPITAN

MODS: Not my auction, just trying to help someone out

This system should easily outperform your 3,1 system in multithreaded tasks. Plus it has the ability to easily swap in two 3.46GHz hex core processors you can get for around $130 for the pair (if you ever feel you may want to do this make sure you buy a genuine 5,1, if you want to know why just ask). This was just one auction I stumbled across in a very quick search (looks like it might be scuffed and requires additional HD trays if you want to use more internal drives).

If a 5,1 is something you're willing to consider let us know and we'll be happy to advise you on what to look for.

 

[fendersrule]

Good advice. A 4,1/5,1 feels MUCH faster than a 3,1, even at the same clock speeds.

A correction: The 3,1 was the best value Mac Pro ever produced. You left this off: It's "base" configuration had an optional BTO option: A quad 2.8 which knocked off $500. Slap on a measly education discount, and you're in it for $2329 with an 8800GT (which was still a good card at 2008) and with Wifi. Compare that price-point in 2008 vs the current price point of $6000 (with a very outdated GPU) and you can easily see that Apple flew off the rocker.

$2329 w/ inflation adjusted for 2019 is $2,777.44. But somehow we should accept $5,999?

I still have my receipt for my 3,1 to prove it!

The 3,1 is slow as snails today. It burps and farts in iMovie with 1080p clips. With a GTX 1060 it can't even hit 60 FPS in even the mildest games in WINDOWS! It doesn't seem to like playing 1080p clips on Youtube, either.

How Apple has fallen.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

One company does not make a statistic. The reason I do not accept the IBM example is that details of how they arrived at this conclusion are light. We are unable to dig into the "data" because we have little to look at.

IBM lead the way there but others have followed with similar results. Capital One and Walmart have both cited cost savings with their Mac programs...

Fortune 500 companies follow in IBM’s footsteps with Mac choice programs

Enterprise giants took center stage at the Jamf Nation User Conference (JNUC) to share how to succeed with and get the most out of Apple technology initiatives.

www.jamf.com

Even Microsoft has a choice program internally now. I believe IBM did a white paper on their experience, I'm too lazy to google that though. In any case, I don't expect all these CIOs are lying about their experience that has been replicated across multiple fortune 500 organizations.

edit to add: full disclosure, most of my employees are on Apple hardware but I have a choice program (although with homogeny across some individual departments for better collaboration, i.e. all my Visual Studio developers are on Windows, all my 3D artists are on MacOS) in place as well. I have people on Windows machines, I have *nix and Windows servers deployed, I'm all in favor of the solution that makes my team the most productive. We'll be investing in some modular Mac Pros very soon as well.

 

[defjam]

IBM lead the way there but others have followed with similar results. Capital One and Walmart have both cited cost savings with their Mac programs...

Fortune 500 companies follow in IBM’s footsteps with Mac choice programs

Enterprise giants took center stage at the Jamf Nation User Conference (JNUC) to share how to succeed with and get the most out of Apple technology initiatives.

www.jamf.com

Even Microsoft has a choice program internally now. I believe IBM did a white paper on their experience, I'm too lazy to google that though. In any case, I don't expect all these CIOs are lying about their experience that has been replicated across multiple fortune 500 organizations.

edit to add: full disclosure, most of my employees are on Apple hardware but I have a choice program (although with homogeny across some individual departments for better collaboration, i.e. all my Visual Studio developers are on Windows, all my 3D artists are on MacOS) in place as well. I have people on Windows machines, I have *nix and Windows servers deployed, I'm all in favor of the solution that makes my team the most productive. We'll be investing in some modular Mac Pros very soon as well.

That reference primarily speaks to user choice and has very little in the way of lower cost. About the only metric I saw was, for Walmart, 60% of helpdesk calls were for Windows whereas 40% were for Macs. However it doesn't provide any breakdown of the number of Windows and Mac systems in the population. If Macs comprise only 10% of the population then that 40% is misleading. Additionally it doesn't speak to the breakdown of the types of helpdesk calls comprise these metrics. Without more information this information is nothing more than marketing from, no less, an event held by an Apple device management company.

If you have details which can be evaluated I would be happy to review it.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

That reference primarily speaks to user choice and has very little in the way of lower cost. About the only metric I saw was, for Walmart, 60% of helpdesk calls were for Windows whereas 40% were for Macs. However it doesn't provide any breakdown of the number of Windows and Mac systems in the population. If Macs comprise only 10% of the population then that 40% is misleading. Additionally it doesn't speak to the breakdown of the types of helpdesk calls comprise these metrics. Without more information this information is nothing more than marketing from, no less, an event held by an Apple device management company.

If you have details which can be evaluated I would be happy to review it.

If the program was a failure those execs wouldn't be out there speaking on behalf of it. At some point you have to have a little bit of faith; if in nothing else then in the self-interest of executives to guard their reputations and not want to endorse the vendor of a program that failed for them. Multiple F500 CIOs on multiple occasions saying that Apple device choice has lowered their TCO isn't a ruse. And yes, both Capital One and Walmart are quoted there (as was IBM previously) as having lowered their TCO with Apple.

edit to add: if we want to add one additional organization to the list (although not F500 in this case, yet ;-) ) I can add the experience with one of my companies. I don't have the data at my fingertips but I have had the CIO of one of my companies tell me that over 50% of desktop (includes laptops) help desk tickets are for Windows machines. We are roughly 80% Mac in that company.

 

[defjam]

If the program was a failure those execs wouldn't be out there speaking on behalf of it. At some point you have to have a little bit of faith; if in nothing else then in the self-interest of executives to guard their reputations and not want to endorse the vendor of a program that failed for them. Multiple F500 CIOs on multiple occasions saying that Apple device choice has lowered their TCO isn't a ruse. And yes, both Capital One and Walmart are quoted there (as was IBM previously) as having lowered their TCO with Apple.

Which CIOs are you referring to? None of the people in the list of leaders appears to be a CIO:

• Martin Lang, vice president of enterprise mobility and IT services at SAP
• Ryan Kremkau, director of engineering at Capital One
• Miles Leacy, technical expert for Apple technologies at Walmart
• Jeremy Butcher, Apple worldwide product marketing manager responsible for iOS and macOS strategy

The only CIO I saw was Mr. Previn who did not have that title at the time of the original jamf discussion:

• Fletcher Previn, VP of Workplace as a Service at IBM

As for faith, having worked in very large organizations, I've seen executives exaggerate successes in order to achieve bonuses, promotion, gain additional staff, or even retain their jobs. It's not uncommon for executives to do that, collect their reward, and move on.

Did this happen here? We cannot say as we barely have any information. Here's what we do have:

Debate over: IBM confirms that Macs are $535 less expensive than PCs

• 400,000+ employees
• more employees choosing Mac than ever before, the company now has 90,000 deployed
• IBM found that not only do PCs drive twice the amount of support calls

Macs represent 33% of the support calls but represent 22% of the population? That's not favorable to the Mac. Maybe the Macs support calls would be more if it were not for:

• providing employees with an Apple-like, self-help experience

Do they have a similar self help experience for PCs?

Fortune 500 companies follow in IBM’s footsteps with Mac choice programs

• I didn't see any comment from SAP about lower TCO, only employee choice
• Mr. Kremkau, the Director of engineering at Capital One, said "When it comes to total cost, Mac is less expensive." Is the director of engineering one to know this information?
• Mr. Leacy, the technical expert for Apple technologies at Walmart, provided the following: One of the stats cited to support this was that 60 percent of help calls IT receives are from Windows users, versus 40 percent. Is a "technical expert for Apple technologies" really an unbiased, or any, source for such information?

One thing all of these examples have in common is they all spoke at events sponsored by jamf, a company with a specific focus on Apple device management. Do you consider the possibility these are cherry picked examples to help jamf sell their products?

Apple Device Management You Can Trust​

I'm not going so far as to say these testimonials should immediately be discounted because of their source. However I feel a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted. Lacking any specifics I cannot put much merit into these testimonials. Again I use the example of the 60/40 help desk breakdown. Without any context one cannot say if that is good or bad. On the surface it looks favorable to the Mac, after all 20% fewer calls to the helpdesk from Mac users looks very favorable. That is until you discover they represent only 10% of the user population.

What I can say is that if these testimonials are to be believed then one has to wonder why Macs aren't everywhere. Why would these companies have any PCs?

Edit: I didn't read through everything on those pages just what appeared to speak to cost / total cost so it's possible I may have overlooked something.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Which CIOs are you referring to? None of the people in the list of leaders appears to be a CIO:

• Martin Lang, vice president of enterprise mobility and IT services at SAP
• Ryan Kremkau, director of engineering at Capital One
• Miles Leacy, technical expert for Apple technologies at Walmart
• Jeremy Butcher, Apple worldwide product marketing manager responsible for iOS and macOS strategy

The only CIO I saw was Mr. Previn who did not have that title at the time of the original jamf discussion:

• Fletcher Previn, VP of Workplace as a Service at IBM

As for faith, having worked in very large organizations, I've seen executives exaggerate successes in order to achieve bonuses, promotion, gain additional staff, or even retain their jobs. It's not uncommon for executives to do that, collect their reward, and move on.

Did this happen here? We cannot say as we barely have any information. Here's what we do have:

Debate over: IBM confirms that Macs are $535 less expensive than PCs

• 400,000+ employees
• more employees choosing Mac than ever before, the company now has 90,000 deployed
• IBM found that not only do PCs drive twice the amount of support calls

Macs represent 33% of the support calls but represent 22% of the population? That's not favorable to the Mac. Maybe the Macs support calls would be more if it were not for:

• providing employees with an Apple-like, self-help experience

Do they have a similar self help experience for PCs?

Fortune 500 companies follow in IBM’s footsteps with Mac choice programs

• I didn't see any comment from SAP about lower TCO, only employee choice
• Mr. Kremkau, the Director of engineering at Capital One, said "When it comes to total cost, Mac is less expensive." Is the director of engineering one to know this information?
• Mr. Leacy, the technical expert for Apple technologies at Walmart, provided the following: One of the stats cited to support this was that 60 percent of help calls IT receives are from Windows users, versus 40 percent. Is a "technical expert for Apple technologies" really an unbiased, or any, source for such information?

One thing all of these examples have in common is they all spoke at events sponsored by jamf, a company with a specific focus on Apple device management. Do you consider the possibility these are cherry picked examples to help jamf sell their products?

Apple Device Management You Can Trust​

I'm not going so far as to say these testimonials should immediately be discounted because of their source. However I feel a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted. Lacking any specifics I cannot put much merit into these testimonials. Again I use the example of the 60/40 help desk breakdown. Without any context one cannot say if that is good or bad. On the surface it looks favorable to the Mac, after all 20% fewer calls to the helpdesk from Mac users looks very favorable. That is until you discover they represent only 10% of the user population.

What I can say is that if these testimonials are to be believed then one has to wonder why Macs aren't everywhere. Why would these companies have any PCs?

Edit: I didn't read through everything on those pages just what appeared to speak to cost / total cost so it's possible I may have overlooked something.

I’m not going to invest any more time in providing data on the matter. It’s fine, if you want to run your business on Windows that’s your choice. I’m running my businesses primarily on Macs with some Windows and some *nix and it’s worked out very well for me. We’re free to do as we choose. Enjoy! 😊

 

[kjohansen]

I just spent the whole day putting a new motherboard in my pc, an Asus P10S WS, was starting with two 16GB ram cards. Alas stupid Win 10 and their dumb updates.. Right as I shut the pc down to put the new hardware in, I see all these updates happening.. Get all the hardware in, boot it up. No Sound Blaster 7, it broke in one of the updates. So more work on the PC tomorrow... You see, even PC's have the same issue when it comes to software companies. Some of the stuff I want to run on the Mac, will not run on Win 7 either, had to run on Win 10 64 bit . Not only that I spent many hours today watching the pc reboot with any little change..

 

[defjam]

I’m not going to invest any more time in providing data on the matter. It’s fine, if you want to run your business on Windows that’s your choice. I’m running my businesses primarily on Macs with some Windows and some *nix and it’s worked out very well for me. We’re free to do as we choose. Enjoy! 😊

You're right and I never attempted to convince you to do otherwise.

 

[defjam]

I just spent the whole day putting a new motherboard in my pc, an Asus P10S WS, was starting with two 16GB ram cards. Alas stupid Win 10 and their dumb updates.. Right as I shut the pc down to put the new hardware in, I see all these updates happening.. Get all the hardware in, boot it up. No Sound Blaster 7, it broke in one of the updates. So more work on the PC tomorrow... You see, even PC's have the same issue when it comes to software companies. Some of the stuff I want to run on the Mac, will not run on Win 7 either, had to run on Win 10 64 bit . Not only that I spent many hours today watching the pc reboot with any little change..

If this is an issue for you then you should not be building your own PC. All this can be avoided by purchasing a pre-built system. I'd recommend HP's Z2 or Z4 systems for entry level and Z6 and Z8 for mid-range and high end.

 

[kjohansen]

If this is an issue for you then you should not be building your own PC. All this can be avoided by purchasing a pre-built system. I'd recommend HP's Z2 or Z4 systems for entry level and Z6 and Z8 for mid-range and high end.

I'm staying with Mac's, Microsoft sucks, just too unstable to use as a work computer...

 

[defjam]

I'm staying with Mac's, Microsoft sucks, just too unstable to use as a work computer...

That's fine if you're not interested in trying to solve a problem and only interested in complaining about it.

 

[kjohansen]

That's fine if you're not interested in trying to solve a problem and only interested in complaining about it.

I will keep the PC for other things. I am just trying to relate some of the issues with Win 10. I think Macs are better, just super expensive on the initial outlay of money. Overall they are cost effective. I will solve the issues on the PC, but need to get some other things done first. After all I am working photographer and very busy and under time constraints, the PC will have to take a back burner for the moment.

 

[defjam]

I will keep the PC for other things. I am just trying to relate some of the issues with Win 10. I think Macs are better, just super expensive on the initial outlay of money. Overall they are cost effective. I will solve the issues on the PC, but need to get some other things done first. After all I am working photographer and very busy and under time constraints, the PC will have to take a back burner for the moment.

You've made it clear you're not interested in resolving a problem so I fail to see why you felt the need to reinforce that point.

 

[McTaste]

If a custom mac pro ends up being too expensive, my alternative is to build a 3175x based machine and water cool it. Probably AIO, but maybe a custom loop.

Downside is losing the ability to use those sweet xdr displays.

 

[AidenShaw]

Downside is losing the ability to use those sweet xdr displays.

Do the XDR displays use proprietary cables that only the MP7,1 can drive with its proprietary GPUs?

 

[bsbeamer]

Pro Display XDR - Technical Specifications

See the tech specs for the new Pro Display XDR including resolution, brightness, contrast, color, connectivity, and compatibility.

www.apple.com

TB3 and USB-C

 

[AidenShaw]

Pro Display XDR - Technical Specifications

See the tech specs for the new Pro Display XDR including resolution, brightness, contrast, color, connectivity, and compatibility.

www.apple.com

TB3 and USB-C

That looks like T-Bolt3 input only, the USB-C ports are for downstream.

Uber-proprietary....but would we expect anything else from Apple?

 

[McTaste]

That looks like T-Bolt3 input only, the USB-C ports are for downstream.

Uber-proprietary....but would we expect anything else from Apple?

That is how I read it. I am struggling to find a motherboard with more than one tb3 port, and have yet to see any support more than 4k60 on said port...