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New macbooks ghosting issues
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Is it stupid? From the videos I’ve seen it’s a pretty dramatic effect to live with for 3-5-7 years for some adopters. Wonder if software fix with the pro motion could reduce it a bit
I have the iPhone 13 Pro with promotion and then over the years I’ve had a lot of 144 Hz and 160 Hz PC monitors. The iPhone screen as smooth as butter compared to the mini LED display. It’s been a while since I’ve used an iPad Pro so I can’t comment on whether or not this is any worse than that. But yes objectively speaking this display does not feel anywhere close to 120 Hz just scrolling up and down a webpage for example.
I have all of Apple's Pro Motion devices (Phone 13 Pro, iPad Pro and the new MacBook) and a Pro Display XDR. I've also used a gaming PC with a 144hz screen.
I was worried this screen was going to make the Pro Display XDR feel laggy, but it's almost impossible to tell the difference. It definitely doesn't have the same snappy feeling as the iPad Pro, and it's nowhere near as responsive as a PC gaming screen either.
That said, I just watched a HDR film side by side with the new MacBook Pro screen vs the Pro Display XDR and the new MacBook screen blows the Pro Display XDR away to the point where I'm almost considering selling the XDR. :V
I was worried this screen was going to make the Pro Display XDR feel laggy, but it's almost impossible to tell the difference. It definitely doesn't have the same snappy feeling as the iPad Pro, and it's nowhere near as responsive as a PC gaming screen either.
That said, I just watched a HDR film side by side with the new MacBook Pro screen vs the Pro Display XDR and the new MacBook screen blows the Pro Display XDR away to the point where I'm almost considering selling the XDR. :V
That looks like the pixel persistence is REALLY high. I wonder why'd they do that except for maybe it allows the Pro Motion to clock the screen down WAY low and not have the text fade away in between writes.
I remember having to shop for a high persistence monitor when I used an Amiga a long time ago. (Dual sync was really expensive at the time and mono high persistence monitors were cheap.)
I remember having to shop for a high persistence monitor when I used an Amiga a long time ago. (Dual sync was really expensive at the time and mono high persistence monitors were cheap.)
I think in that case they could just write to the pixel multiple times every 12 ms until the pixel changes no?
Not if the display is clocked REALLY low. But high persistent pixels would also complicate things when it's clocked high, so I'm not saying I know anything for sure! It just looks like what I'd expect if pixel persistence was high and screen refresh slow.
Anywho, I bet it's a bug this time and for some reason it's clocking the display really low when you're using a terminal session.
I didn't order one, so I can't play with it, but is there a way to turn pro motion off? If so, someone should try it and then display text like that again. If it's a bug, I'd expect it to look normal, if it looks the same, I'd want to see the full specs of the screen!
I mean if you have a low persistence display and a high refresh rate, you won’t really ever have a problem simulating a high persistence display by simply writing to the pixel repeatedly with super low refresh rates. So in regards to your previous post, there would be no reason for Apple to ever purposely put a high persistence display in a machine in order to accommodate low refresh rates.
What you say doesn't work with the display clocked low (refresh), which is part of how you get an always on display on an iPhone without using massive amounts of battery life. It works if you clock the display high all the time though!
All of the videos where the ghosting looks really bad are taken in Slow-mo.
Try with whatever laptop you have now. When you video it in slow-mo you WILL get some ghosting, yet you hardly notice it when you look with your own eyes.
Try with whatever laptop you have now. When you video it in slow-mo you WILL get some ghosting, yet you hardly notice it when you look with your own eyes.
I didn't notice the videos were slowmo, and agree, that's just asking for ghosting!
Just a thought, what frame rate are the cameras used to record this? I would guess that they are 30 frames or at most 60 frames per second.
It would be great if someone could make a comparison with the 2019 16 inch. The ghosting on that display bothered me a lot, and was one of the reasons I didn't keep it. I was hoping these new models would be better...
Slightly unscientific testing of recording slow motion video from my iPhone:
This is the 2021 iPad Pro 11", it's the most responsive and smoothest feeling of all.
This is the 2020 M1 MacBook Air. The ghosting is quite pronounced, but it's 60hz so it doesn't feel that bad.
This is the 2021 16" MacBook Pro. Uh, it's quite bad....
That said, I still think it's a very nice screen, and it doesn't bother me a huge amount or look anywhere as bad as this when you're looking at it at real speed and not slowed down to 240 fps, but it's definitely disappointing compared to the iPad Pro.
This is the 2021 iPad Pro 11", it's the most responsive and smoothest feeling of all.
This is the 2020 M1 MacBook Air. The ghosting is quite pronounced, but it's 60hz so it doesn't feel that bad.
This is the 2021 16" MacBook Pro. Uh, it's quite bad....
That said, I still think it's a very nice screen, and it doesn't bother me a huge amount or look anywhere as bad as this when you're looking at it at real speed and not slowed down to 240 fps, but it's definitely disappointing compared to the iPad Pro.
Can't say I've ever noticed ghosting on my 2019 and probably never will on the new machine...especially since I use these laptops in clamshell mode mostly hooked up to the mother of all monitors.
Some people stated that ProMotion does not work in safari but works in appstore etc. Can u try the same thing there or some other place?
Could you try the test in chrome? Your above pictures have me really worried about this.
You can watch this video and maybe it's the camera recording, but the pixel refresh looks really slow.
I have iPad Pro 11 and 13 Pro, iPad's screen is trash compared to iPhone's. iPads and Macs have like 28-50ms response times when it should be at least less than 10ms. 13 Pro on the other hand is perfect.
I don't have this MBP but after watching AnandTech's video it immediately felt like iPad Pro's screen. They're slow. I would've returned it if I had bought a Mac with such a slow screen.
